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The Nick Saban call in show « Thread Started on Sept 24, 2009, 8:57am »
It's not your normal call in show. Check out the snippet from last week's show.
Although Saban is known for having one of the most complex defenses schemes to play against, he has a pretty simple philosophy for how he wants defensive backs to defend opposing receivers, whether to play the ball or the man. He explained it without too much coach-speak during his radio show last Thursday:
"There were several occasions last week (Florida International), where guys should have played the ball and they didn't. That's something if you can see me on the sideline I'm always going to be yelling at them, 'Why didn't you play the ball? Why didn't you play the ball?'
"Let me explain it to you this way, there's two positions you can be in when you're defending a receiver: You're either in-phase with him or you're out-of-phase with him. Now, to explain in-face it means that you're pretty much even with the guy, but if you can see the guy's number nearest you you're in-phase when you're covering him down the field. So when he gets through the move area, the move area defined being 14 to 18 yards down the field where the guy's going to break a route, in or out, we play a lot of closed coverage, we're in bump-and-run a lot, we're in that position with the guy when he gets in the move area. Now, if you're in-phase with him when he gets into the move area, you should be become the receiver and look for the ball. That's what you should do, and then the ball has to go through you.
"If you're in the out-of phase position, which means you can't see his near number, you can't be even with him, then you have to play the guy's eyes and hands for the ball because you're not in position and if the quarterback throws it correctly you're not going to be able to get to the ball, you're behind him too far.
"Now, to explain why some of the guys didn't play the ball last week, is what FIU is really good at, if you play bump-and-run and you have pretty good corners, and they keep the guys cut off, that means my shoulder is ahead of his shoulder going down field so I can control his speed and he can't run all over the place, I have good coverage on him, they'll throw it to what's called the back shoulder (behind you). By the time you turn around he catches it.
"The way the defensive back should read that is you read the guy's upfield shoulder and when his upfield shoulder turns back you should turn into him and play the ball into him and you'll be able to play that pattern. I think with a lot of our guys we probably over-coached that last week and did it in practice a lot. They were waiting for the guy to make the back shoulder throw when he had him cut off and they ended up not playing the ball."
I dunno if you have attended a football game and sat in the stands lately but about 97 percent of the people there have no idea how to play coverage.
This is right up SpreadAttack's alley. I'm looking forward to Petrino vs Saban this weekend.
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Re: The Nick Saban call in show « Reply #3 on Sept 29, 2009, 8:52am »
Let me just say that as an Arkansas fan I hate that Nick Saban is as good a teacher as he is. If you watched the game on Saturday the difference in technique at the CB position was striking. Alabama's CB's were in position to make a play almost every time (and more often than not they did). Arkansas' CB's were in a position to make a play some times (and more often than not they did not.)
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Re: The Nick Saban call in show « Reply #4 on Sept 29, 2009, 8:53am »
I hope non of my Auburn friends reads this...but that is so detailed, and so typical of a defensive minded HC. Very cool. I've never heard Saban talk about that...I don't listen to his show, or Alabama stuff. I have heard "Brother" Bill Oliver talk about details of the secondary, and I'm always facsinated. I heard him once describing a particular play where their film study had told him what they were likely to see, and it involved an option route from the offense...the CB was supposted to give a certain look right at the snap to "invite" the particular option they desired, then the FS was supposed to jump the route for an INT. He went in to great detail, and I can't recall it all, but I was glued to every word. I also recall thinking that great defensive coaches seem to actually take an offensive approach to playing defense.
Re: The Nick Saban call in show « Reply #6 on Sept 30, 2009, 10:36am »
I didn't understand his part about the back shoulder fade and turning "into" the WR - is the DB supposed to turn into with his head towards the WR? or is he supposed to turn into the WR with his eyes back at the QB? Maybe I'm overly tired or too dense haha
Re: The Nick Saban call in show « Reply #9 on Oct 2, 2009, 7:27am »
they both were produced by "Coach USA" in the mid 90s one is named "Split Safety Coverage" (which really turns into a diatribe about Cover 3) one is named "Defending Passing Teams" (which turns into a discussion of why he likes MOFC coverage) http://www.onlinesports.com/pages/I,top,manu,usac,foot.html
Re: The Nick Saban call in show « Reply #10 on Oct 2, 2009, 10:59am »
their is also two playbooks out their. the 1997 Michigan state defense, which I believe is his last year but might be wrong, and the lsu playbook. both are identical to the dvds and clinic clinic I attended or watched.
Re: The Nick Saban call in show « Reply #11 on Oct 2, 2009, 1:18pm »
I think brophy first mentioned this a while back, but that LSU playbook is very, very good. It has info you can use no matter what defense you use. Man, I see brophy is up to 3000 posts, I am slacking.
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Re: The Nick Saban call in show « Reply #12 on Oct 3, 2009, 2:18am »
I was actually going through that LSU playbook again earlier today while subbing US History. I'm totally gonna talk over some of the DB stuff with my DB guy in the offseason, just really fantastic explanations and theory.
It's not your normal call in show. Check out the snippet from last week's show.
Although Saban is known for having one of the most complex defenses schemes to play against, he has a pretty simple philosophy for how he wants defensive backs to defend opposing receivers, whether to play the ball or the man. He explained it without too much coach-speak during his radio show last Thursday:
"There were several occasions last week (Florida International), where guys should have played the ball and they didn't. That's something if you can see me on the sideline I'm always going to be yelling at them, 'Why didn't you play the ball? Why didn't you play the ball?'
"Let me explain it to you this way, there's two positions you can be in when you're defending a receiver: You're either in-phase with him or you're out-of-phase with him. Now, to explain in-face it means that you're pretty much even with the guy, but if you can see the guy's number nearest you you're in-phase when you're covering him down the field. So when he gets through the move area, the move area defined being 14 to 18 yards down the field where the guy's going to break a route, in or out, we play a lot of closed coverage, we're in bump-and-run a lot, we're in that position with the guy when he gets in the move area. Now, if you're in-phase with him when he gets into the move area, you should be become the receiver and look for the ball. That's what you should do, and then the ball has to go through you.
"If you're in the out-of phase position, which means you can't see his near number, you can't be even with him, then you have to play the guy's eyes and hands for the ball because you're not in position and if the quarterback throws it correctly you're not going to be able to get to the ball, you're behind him too far.
"Now, to explain why some of the guys didn't play the ball last week, is what FIU is really good at, if you play bump-and-run and you have pretty good corners, and they keep the guys cut off, that means my shoulder is ahead of his shoulder going down field so I can control his speed and he can't run all over the place, I have good coverage on him, they'll throw it to what's called the back shoulder (behind you). By the time you turn around he catches it.
"The way the defensive back should read that is you read the guy's upfield shoulder and when his upfield shoulder turns back you should turn into him and play the ball into him and you'll be able to play that pattern. I think with a lot of our guys we probably over-coached that last week and did it in practice a lot. They were waiting for the guy to make the back shoulder throw when he had him cut off and they ended up not playing the ball."
I dunno if you have attended a football game and sat in the stands lately but about 97 percent of the people there have no idea how to play coverage.
This is right up SpreadAttack's alley. I'm looking forward to Petrino vs Saban this weekend.
He talked about this very same thing in his defensive section, and almost used the same words in talking about "in phase" and "out of phase" and which way to turn.
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