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Post by 5straight on Apr 15, 2014 12:15:37 GMT -6
Coaches, how many practice the Soph with Varsity all year long? If so what are the advantages? If not why?
I am leaning towards doing so this year. More bodies, less wear & tear on kids. Plus Soph players will be coached & observed by Varsity coaches. I think there are quite a few advantages but would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks
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Post by blb on Apr 15, 2014 12:22:34 GMT -6
Our Sophomores combine with Freshmen to make up our JVs due to numbers, so would be impractical-inefficient for Freshmen to practice by themselves.
I don't want to waste time coaching kids who aren't going to play Friday night (and in a few cases never will). Cuts down on the reps we can give our (Varsity) players.
I want to give our JV coaches autonomy. Helps them develop too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 13:29:11 GMT -6
We're in a different situation as our JV basically consists of the sophomores and juniors who don't get a lot of or any varsity playing time. We don't have much of a choice as our numbers aren't huge--most of our sophomores are needed for scout team and in a lot of cases, the sophomores are the varsity backups. 5straight, I don't really have any more to add to your list of strengths, however.
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Post by bruinfb on Apr 15, 2014 14:11:40 GMT -6
Coach,
We practice with sophs thru seniors together. We have about 75 each year. Then we have another 25-30 freshmen who practice on their own. We like it because our varsity lineup is fluid, sometimes a soph who is a jv at the start of the year ends up playing a lot for the v. It allows the varsity coaches to evaluate all the players, not just jrs and srs and the handful of sophs that we identified before the season. It creates competition for spots, if a senior gets lazy, a hardworking soph might beat him out. It creates promotes the feeling of a true team for the players soph - senior, rather than three distinct levels, ( frosh, jv, v) it is only 2 ( frosh and v)
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 15, 2014 20:21:21 GMT -6
We are a school of 670 students
We have about 60-70 Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors
With 25-35 Frosh, depending on the year
We will practice everyone with the varsity.
In the pre-season, sophomores will be assigned their position and work with the varsity. After the first scrimmage a JV roster is made. If there is a Junior or sophomore that will not contribute to the varsity they are labeled as a JV player.
We are a two platoon team. However we will continue to teach JV and Freshman on both sides of the ball. The JV and Frosh will rotate each day. One day on Defense, one day on offense. This allows them to be a potential back up at multiple positions (or perhaps work their way on to varsity if they improve over the season).
When its time for team, freshman and JV will go off to another field and work against each other. When we do special teams, they will work against each other as well.
I like coaching this way. It makes sure they are learning the skills exactly how each position coach teaches them. It allows the coaches to build a rapport with the underclassmen and to evaluate talent for the upcoming season when they are drafted either to offense or defense.
The only pitfall is, sometimes the freshman will slow you up. Sophomores are normally pretty good because they have a year under their belt and know the drills. Its just one of those things where you have to coach on the fly and go at a fast tempo.
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Post by carookie on Apr 15, 2014 20:48:12 GMT -6
The school Im at now does everyone together, but we are a small school of about 350 (and 1/4 of them are foreign exchange students). The advantage is Everyone is on the same page, and by the time players are ready for primetime they are are used to me coaching. JV is running the same stuff as varsity so the transition is easier.
The big negative is that I am forced to choose the level I coach practice at (more basic for youngins or more advanced for vets). Im big on repping fundies anyways, so it doesnt bother me none, but Ive seen other coaches who want to just have kids do the advanced plays their college coach did so the younger folks end up weak on basics.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 16, 2014 9:04:22 GMT -6
We all practice together. Those sophmores and juniors that don't start or get significant varsity playing time play JV.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 14:33:46 GMT -6
Never been a part of a HS team who ran a true 3 level program. Everywhere I've been as a player and coach, the sophomores have worked with the varsity and varsity coaches.
At my last school, the sophs and juniors who weren't playing much would simply get separated out on JV gameday after running with varsity the rest of the time. Freshmen had their own team, but they were simply coached by the offensive coaches while the varsity worked defense and vice versa. It worked well, made sure everyone got the same standard of coaching, and kept from requiring extra coaches/practice space.
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Post by blb on Apr 16, 2014 15:34:41 GMT -6
I have been a HC for 29 years, at schools ranging from 400-1700 in enrollment.
During that time we've had about half dozen Sophomores who were ready to start (i.e. play Varsity).
Obviously may be different other places.
I coached Basketball for awhile, too.
It seemed to me that the schools who were always bringing Sophomores up to play on Varsity were in perpetual state of rebuilding, and never got over the hump.
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 17, 2014 17:24:40 GMT -6
5straight: We are also going this route this year but we have: 34 seniors 29 juniors 44 sophomores 54 freshmen Our JV team is only sophomores. Last year the Varsity and JV practiced together, and we still will in INDY but everything else will be done side by side. Our practice runs 3 hours 3:00-6:00 Varsity will be in meetings from 3:00-4:00, JV and Frosh will be on the field doing their team stuff Everyone on the field together 4:00-5:00, INDY and small group Varsity team stuff from 5:00-6:00, JV and Frosh are done at 5:00, but will lift 3 times a week. that is a very rough draft but basically. The reasons we are going this route is player development. We had trouble last year getting JV organized team time where they could work as a team unit. We did JV team period but you know what I mean. Also our freshman staff last year was...not good and that group of guys really needs to be brought along like we want them brought along. So they are with us in INDY period and the JV coaches will be on the field with the freshman coaches (our entire freshman staff work real jobs, except for the frosh HC, his wife is a doctor...yea...if we could chose right?). We are also land locked and only have one field, so while it's not ideal, I think this will work pretty well...but you know how it goes, thought and reality are usually very different. So I'm just as interested in this as you are. So do you have a decent amount of coaches? Like the plan but who goes with who coach wise for instance when varsity is doing film who is with the JV? |
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 19, 2014 16:05:20 GMT -6
We practice all levels together though we are a 2 platoon team with 12 coaches, the only kids I would practice separate which I hope to do one day is freshmen.
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 19, 2014 17:15:06 GMT -6
We have 11 varsity/JV coaches plus the HC. and I think 6 freshman coaches, could be 4-5 though, I'm not sure. Basically the freshman coaches are out with the freshmen, and the Varsity coaches who have JV responsibilities are out. 2 offensive and 2 defensive. 17 coaches seems like a lot but with your numbers I could see it. Figured that is how your days would work, with the Varsity/JV guys running team while the coordinators and HC are in with Varsity doing film. Interested to hear how this works out for you guys. I have been somewhere where we practiced everyone together and finding subvarsity quality team reps for everyone was tough. What we did was had JV practice Offense while Varsity was on D and switched half way through practice. It was a good set up for Indy etc but got tricky when team rolled around, some of that was a result of numbers and certain coaches hording 5 kids for one position instead of having them split between scout and varsity practice, would have produced much better looks as we weren't two platoon. New place we are a smaller school but have good numbers for our enrollment, I think we were around 70 players last year. Everyone practices together. I like the way we did team where Varsity got so many reps then were off for 2-3 and the subvarsity (JVs and or 9th) repped those plays our offense vs. our defense. While they didn't get looks against the other teams stuff it was good to keep them involved and playing in a very competitive manner. When we went defensive 7 on 7 it was also very good work for our subvarsity kids as we would go every other play on the offensive side. Sometimes we would run it off of cards sometimes we would run our own stuff...kept everyone involved, limited downtime, and allowed for us to coach all players. The defense would roll the twos in as well but they were getting looks against a solid mix of offensive players. |
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Post by coachiminime on Apr 27, 2014 18:58:58 GMT -6
Hey coaches that practice together does, having a jv team of 9th and 10th graders impact that decision? Does being a team with mostly two,way starters impact that thought process?
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 28, 2014 19:38:43 GMT -6
Hey coaches that practice together does, having a jv team of 9th and 10th graders impact that decision? Does being a team with mostly two,way starters impact that thought process? I think this practice structure lends itself to one way players. If you can pin point or "draft" kids after their freshman year, it is giving them that many more reps at a single position. Gives them the opportunity to be a master of one instead of good at all type of thing. With that being said, as long as you can handle the kids (bigger indies) then I am a big believer in this practice philosophy. The down sides that could arise are, not enough one on one coaching, sometimes you need to slow indies down for the young kids or drag them along (if you have enough coaches you can separate the kids that are still struggling and have them do indies adjacent to you [that is, if you have the coaches for it]), and if you have JV games on weekdays it requires mental toughness from the players because all of a sudden it feels like no one is at practice [those days can either be your best or worst practices]. |
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