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Post by mc140 on Jul 7, 2014 22:33:29 GMT -6
The pay to play thread got me thinking about this. If you took all the cost of our program (stipends,equipment,refs,buses,reconditioning,etc) and compared to the money brought in through concessions and gate money, it is not even close to a profit. I don't even think the money made at games would cover all the stipends. Granted our crowds are usually not very big either.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 7, 2014 23:31:58 GMT -6
Yes we turn a profit and the school doesn't even get the concession money (each Jr class pockets that). Our reconditioning is around $3k, our budget is $3k, our staff stipends is around $8k total. We take school buses. As I said in another thread, we're the only program- athletic or academic- in our school that has made money the past three years running.
Is it a big deal? Not really, but it's a nice ace up my sleeve to use when I need to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 0:20:17 GMT -6
At my last school, we finished the season $20k in the hole. We actually lost money on our last 2 home games (including Senior Night) after we paid the officials. It's a small school (under 400 kids) who's 6-54 the past few years, plus those last two games were played in below freezing temperatures. We only had 4 seniors on senior night, and only 2 of them had family show up. It didn't help that the teachers who worked the gate for us often just let large groups in for free because they "felt bad about charging them so much money". Seriously...
It could have been mitigated some by fundraising and concessions, but the HC there turned down the concessions and opted to do neither so basketball and volleyball got our concessions money. HC said there was nobody to work them and he didn't want to bother asking parents. It wouldn't have made up the whole deficit, though.
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Post by biggus3 on Jul 8, 2014 0:59:06 GMT -6
At my last school, we finished the season $20k in the hole. We actually lost money on our last 2 home games (including Senior Night) after we paid the officials. It's a small school (under 400 kids) who's 6-54 the past few years, plus those last two games were played in below freezing temperatures. We only had 4 seniors on senior night, and only 2 of them had family show up. It didn't help that the teachers who worked the gate for us often just let large groups in for free because they "felt bad about charging them so much money". Seriously... It could have been mitigated some by fundraising and concessions, but the HC there turned down the concessions and opted to do neither so basketball and volleyball got our concessions money. HC said there was nobody to work them and he didn't want to bother asking parents. It wouldn't have made up the whole deficit, though. Seriously? You should get some of freshmen or grandmas or somebody to work the concessions if you have that available. How did your team make up the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 1:04:09 GMT -6
At my last school, we finished the season $20k in the hole. We actually lost money on our last 2 home games (including Senior Night) after we paid the officials. It's a small school (under 400 kids) who's 6-54 the past few years, plus those last two games were played in below freezing temperatures. We only had 4 seniors on senior night, and only 2 of them had family show up. It didn't help that the teachers who worked the gate for us often just let large groups in for free because they "felt bad about charging them so much money". Seriously... It could have been mitigated some by fundraising and concessions, but the HC there turned down the concessions and opted to do neither so basketball and volleyball got our concessions money. HC said there was nobody to work them and he didn't want to bother asking parents. It wouldn't have made up the whole deficit, though. Seriously? You should get some of freshmen or grandmas or somebody to work the concessions if you have that available. How did your team make up the difference? We didn't. We had some parents put together a few little fundraisers on our behalf that brought in around $1,000 combined, but the school had to eat the difference on that one. All our freshmen who could play were on the varsity roster. It's a tiny program with low numbers. HC said he was afraid to ask a parent to work concessions and miss their kids' game, plus he hoped the gate would cover our expenses. I figured we could have scraped together $50 to pay some kids to work the stand for us, if nothing else, but that idea went nowhere.
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Post by realdawg on Jul 8, 2014 3:48:37 GMT -6
Yes. We pretty much fund the entire athletic program. This does not include the $$ our boosters raise. We do get our concession $$ and our boosters work them. The only other programs in the school who are self sufficient are baseball and basketball. Everyone else relies on football money. Imagine it is like this at most places.
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Post by cookiemonster on Jul 8, 2014 16:36:41 GMT -6
We have 2 big money games that the host team clears around $25K so we try to host one of these each year. We clear $75K on a bad year and over $150K on a good year!
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 8, 2014 16:53:07 GMT -6
Yes barely some years better than other. Last year was great this year is going to be struggle but should break even at least. Avg. 5K per game after officials, I also have to take at least 1 pay game, for the next 2 years. We travel to play a team 4 hours away for 12K a year. I spent this year's money on uniforms, Reconditioning bill 8K, and I had to buy more helmets 3K. So yes we should because we should make around 20K on gate. He lost a big gate game when our rivals refused to play us scheduling a team they will beat. We are 6A they are 4A, but have won the last 2, the picked a 2A team to play last year's game had 6100 in attendance.
We do dues "pay to play" but no really to buy other items we need.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 8, 2014 20:04:37 GMT -6
Very rarely we don't. A few years ago we had a terrible home schedule where our three biggest games were away. But on our big rival games we normally around 10k profit after all expenses have been paid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 20:35:52 GMT -6
The "rivalry game"/"money game" thing that's been brought up a few times is a big key in all of this. That school I was at that lost money had no real rivals anymore. They used to have a decent one going with a team right across the state line, but that series got dropped the because other team blew them out and ran up the score for a few years in a row.
None of the "beatable" opponents we scheduled brought anybody with them and the teams on the schedule were all from 1-3 hours away. It was done to soften the schedule and try to resuscitate a losing program by getting easy wins, but it was a financial disaster. You pick your poison, I guess.
A rivalry or two that always bring a packed house with them is huge to financial success. The school I was at prior to that one had a fierce rivalry with my alma mater. That game would literally overflow with people buying tickets to stand on the tracks or sit on the hillside inside the stadiums. I hear that, including concessions and fundraisers carried out during the game, the home team would typically take home $20k+ just off the one game. It was fun for everyone, too.
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 9, 2014 19:17:30 GMT -6
It would be nice to know what size school some of you guys are. So we know what were comparing too. We are 300 kids in Fla, the school pays for recondition and for the coaches stipends. We average around 1000 a game, actually had 4000 at our semi-final last year. We try to get $30,000 for our football account a year and $30,000 a year for the QB club. We've been fortunate the last 2 year and cleared close to $45,000 so its been nice.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 9, 2014 19:41:01 GMT -6
We have 670 kids in our school.
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Post by drewdawg265 on Jul 11, 2014 15:14:04 GMT -6
We make anywhere from $5,000-$15,000 per home game in gate sales.
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Post by gibbs72 on Jul 12, 2014 17:10:28 GMT -6
300 kids in school. This thread has me curious to check with my HC + AD to see how much we clear on average for a home game because I honestly have no idea!
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 12, 2014 18:57:25 GMT -6
How are you guys getting all these students (I'm assuming they are students) out to games? How does the promotion of athletics happen / look at your schools?
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 13, 2014 2:05:37 GMT -6
Our students get in free to all home games. Just have to show their ID at the gate. Its the parents, community and visitors that we get our gate from. And most of the money comes from concession.
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Post by fugulookinat on Jul 13, 2014 8:25:11 GMT -6
Our school has 2,000 kids. We typically have 10,000 or so at every home game, around 9,000 being paid admissions with 1,000 free students. We bring in around $24,000 for a home game at the gate. We have 3 concession stands open, football parents run one of the 3( band and drill team parents run the other 2 ). We usually make around $10,000 at our concession stand, so with gate and concessions we generate somewhere around $34,000 at every home game. Our football budget is $28,000 and we do 2 fund raisers that usually make $50,000 each. Stipends do not come from our football budget, the school pays those.
The money brought in from football pays for all other sports.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 13, 2014 10:02:48 GMT -6
We hope to break even this year, but the schools in our leagues with the larger budgets couldn't break even in a million years.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 13, 2014 10:20:44 GMT -6
Our school has 2,000 kids. We typically have 10,000 or so at every home game, around 9,000 being paid admissions with 1,000 free students. We bring in around $24,000 for a home game at the gate. We have 3 concession stands open, football parents run one of the 3( band and drill team parents run the other 2 ). We usually make around $10,000 at our concession stand, so with gate and concessions we generate somewhere around $34,000 at every home game. Our football budget is $28,000 and we do 2 fund raisers that usually make $50,000 each. Stipends do not come from our football budget, the school pays those. The money brought in from football pays for all other sports. 9,000 paid admissions yielding $24,000 = $2.67 ticket price?
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 13, 2014 10:39:07 GMT -6
Where are these crazy lucrative gate/concessions happening?
Here in CA $24k at a home game sounds f*cking nuts...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 11:20:29 GMT -6
fugulookinat, how are you only getting $24K off the gate with 9,000 paid admissions? Our tickets at the last school were $6 each. Per district policy, we were to charge this to every man, woman, and child who wanted to go (coaches' families got exceptions). Free admission for students was explicitly ruled out, though the teachers working the gate would often feel sorry for families who brought a bunch of kids and just let them in without charging them a dime. I've heard conflicting things about the athletic district, school district, and state athletic association each getting a cut of our gates after expenses, which I'm inclined to believe. Concessions add up quickly, especially with students and kids who may drink three Cokes at $2 each, buy a slice of pizza or a burger at $3, some candy for $1, popcorn for $1, etc. Other schools we played had stuff like Nachos, sno-cones, etc. In many cases, it can actually be nearly as lucrative as the gate.
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 13, 2014 13:58:54 GMT -6
six dollars a ticket is a lot, we pay that for a playoff game, and around 10 for a state championship game, our regular season games are 3 or 4 dollars
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Post by fugulookinat on Jul 13, 2014 14:22:36 GMT -6
We charge $4 for adults $2 for kids(High school students get in free with their school ID)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 14:40:05 GMT -6
six dollars a ticket is a lot, we pay that for a playoff game, and around 10 for a state championship game, our regular season games are 3 or 4 dollars The going rate here is $5-6. It was $5 twenty years ago. Playoffs go up to $8, IIRC, per our state association.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 13, 2014 14:52:49 GMT -6
We charge $4 for adults $2 for kids(High school students get in free with their school ID) Wow.. eye opening. Much cheaper than I am used to in Southeast Louisiana.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 13, 2014 15:43:39 GMT -6
We charge 6 dollars for admission, I believe and the state charges and takes 8 dollars during the tournament.
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 13, 2014 16:42:51 GMT -6
I thought we were a cheap ticket a $5. We moved up to $6 this year. Most schools charge $7 around us some even charge $8. In the playoffs the tickets are $8 the first 2 rounds, $9 for the semis and $12 for the state championship. The FHSAA takes 20% off the top of all playoff gates and we split the rest after expenses 60-40 for the home team.
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Post by fugulookinat on Jul 13, 2014 19:29:19 GMT -6
We charge $4 for adults $2 for kids(High school students get in free with their school ID) Wow.. eye opening. Much cheaper than I am used to in Southeast Louisiana. Yeah, I think so too. We are 1 of 5 high schools in our school district. All 5 schools charge the same admission. Because of the size of the schools, our school district doesn't feel any need to charge more for admission.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 14, 2014 15:31:24 GMT -6
8 dollars in GA and nope students pay 6!!
You can buy every sell tickets to our rivalry game(s) and homecoming for 2 dollars less.
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Post by pvogel on Jul 15, 2014 14:37:01 GMT -6
Not to derail this thread but I just added a whole new section to my program plan for when I apply for HC jobs. And my list of questions for the administrators grew significantly.
Lots of learning points here.
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