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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 10, 2014 8:11:43 GMT -6
I was wondering what other coaches say to their players in regard to their body language. For instance, I don't like when players bend over and grab their knees when they are tired. The mental concept would be to show the opponent no weakness, etc.
Another thing would be, after a big hit applied to the opponent, getting up first (to show even though it may have hurt, I'm tougher than you).
I also don't like when players are over-demonstrative on the field during game play e.g if a play goes wrong, they look to the sidelines and give the 'what now' kind of gesture with their arms.
I had one player that every time he'd mess up, he would smack his own helmet as if to show others that he knew he did wrong (and he doesn't need to hear it from anyone).
I honestly haven't thought of many other things that body language applies to, so I thought I'd ask. I know many programs emphasize different things, but I'm curious as to what other might do.
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Post by fantom on Jul 10, 2014 8:18:49 GMT -6
I was wondering what other coaches say to their players in regard to their body language. For instance, I don't like when players bend over and grab their knees when they are tired. The mental concept would be to show the opponent no weakness, etc. Another thing would be, after a big hit applied to the opponent, getting up first (to show even though it may have hurt, I'm tougher than you). I also don't like when players are over-demonstrative on the field during game play e.g if a play goes wrong, they look to the sidelines and give the 'what now' kind of gesture with their arms. I had one player that every time he'd mess up, he would smack his own helmet as if to show others that he knew he did wrong (and he doesn't need to hear it from anyone). I honestly haven't thought of many other things that body language applies to, so I thought I'd ask. I know many programs emphasize different things, but I'm curious as to what other might do. My first thought is that coaches should check their own body language and behavior. If they're slamming their hats to the ground after a bad play and have a "We're screwed" air after a penalty how do you think the kids will act? |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 10, 2014 8:23:15 GMT -6
I was wondering what other coaches say to their players in regard to their body language. For instance, I don't like when players bend over and grab their knees when they are tired. The mental concept would be to show the opponent no weakness, etc. Another thing would be, after a big hit applied to the opponent, getting up first (to show even though it may have hurt, I'm tougher than you). I also don't like when players are over-demonstrative on the field during game play e.g if a play goes wrong, they look to the sidelines and give the 'what now' kind of gesture with their arms. I had one player that every time he'd mess up, he would smack his own helmet as if to show others that he knew he did wrong (and he doesn't need to hear it from anyone). I honestly haven't thought of many other things that body language applies to, so I thought I'd ask. I know many programs emphasize different things, but I'm curious as to what other might do. My first thought is that coaches should check their own body language and behavior. If they're slamming their hats to the ground after a bad play and have a "We're screwed" air after a penalty how do you think the kids will act? Good one. My mind hadn't come to that point yet. Early in my career, I definitely had that issue and had to re-teach myself in that area. |
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Post by coachphillip on Jul 10, 2014 8:39:52 GMT -6
We coach up body language big time. Bending over and sucking wind, quitting drills early because they screw up, leaning on teammates when we tell them to take a knee instead of holding their own weight, taking a knee when they're not in during team, etc. You just gotta stick with it. Some things we say: "Always be a finisher." "Don't feel sorry for yourself. Your opponent sure won't." "Everything you do should be done with conviction." And my favorite slogan "Football doesn't build character, it reveals character. Who are you?"
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 10, 2014 11:16:13 GMT -6
My first thought is that coaches should check their own body language and behavior. If they're slamming their hats to the ground after a bad play and have a "We're screwed" air after a penalty how do you think the kids will act? Agreed 100%. IMO "body language" issues begin and end with how the coaching staff acts. Kids will act or react how their adult models do. |
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Post by brophy on Jul 10, 2014 17:12:38 GMT -6
Fake it till ya make it....
The assistants should really be reinforcing attitude, triggers, and body language.
Sure, we should discourage negative self defeating body language with cues ("hands off the knees!", "keep your heads up"), but also need to do a good job convincing them, much like the military reinforcing their themes of PT, killing, working, etc.
ITS A GOOD DAY TO GET BETTER!!!
Repeating positive themes that embrace more work can be mocked and seen as contrived by the kids, but repeat them over and over again.....and your kids won't be able to not repeat it (the same works with any hit pop song).
WE ARE THE HARDEST WORKING TEAM IN THE CITY!!!
Just throw enough Anthony Robbins at the kids to create a culture of aggressive positive thinking (repeat the positive phrase even if you're feeling negative)
Some of the best things I've encountered coaching is forcing kids to be demonstrative in their effort in a positive manner...play it up almost to the point where it almost becomes a joke...particularly when they are tired, at the end of practice. I don't mean rah-rah stuff, I'm talking encouraging their teammates and showing exceptional effort.
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Post by biggus3 on Jul 10, 2014 20:15:06 GMT -6
My head coach benched our stud qb two years ago for most of the second quarter for throwing his arms up after a pass bounced off a receivers chest. Nobody ever acts out anymore. As far as being doubled over from fatigue, I don't think anyone ever wants to be that way. Even the most elite athletes will breakdown at somepoint. It's your job to get them conditioned to the point where anything they encounter falls within their work capacity.
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Post by souza12 on Jul 11, 2014 0:00:58 GMT -6
I was wondering what other coaches say to their players in regard to their body language. For instance, I don't like when players bend over and grab their knees when they are tired. The mental concept would be to show the opponent no weakness, etc. Another thing would be, after a big hit applied to the opponent, getting up first (to show even though it may have hurt, I'm tougher than you). I also don't like when players are over-demonstrative on the field during game play e.g if a play goes wrong, they look to the sidelines and give the 'what now' kind of gesture with their arms. I had one player that every time he'd mess up, he would smack his own helmet as if to show others that he knew he did wrong (and he doesn't need to hear it from anyone). I honestly haven't thought of many other things that body language applies to, so I thought I'd ask. I know many programs emphasize different things, but I'm curious as to what other might do. My first thought is that coaches should check their own body language and behavior. If they're slamming their hats to the ground after a bad play and have a "We're screwed" air after a penalty how do you think the kids will act? Its funny you say that. I was getting frustrated when I was coaching QBs at the spot I just resigned from talking to a kid about body language and keeping team composure with it only to have the man calling plays flip out when the QB makes a mistake. Drove me nuts lol |
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Post by tog on Jul 15, 2014 10:34:16 GMT -6
it's all what you allow and also what you will enforce
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Post by airraider on Jul 15, 2014 12:36:31 GMT -6
This really is a great thread... I know myself, I far too often undervalue such things... but in reality they play such a major role in how the team carries itself, and thus how well it performs, and in the end competes and wins. Great post.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 16, 2014 7:57:28 GMT -6
I just finished a book on Toughness, and one of the last things mentioned was that body language also projects confidence. When a play goes bad, you don't see a player crying to officials. The author's point was that tough players weather the ebb and flow of game play and focus on their job.
How many 7 on 7's or games have we been at where we see kids gesturing for a flag when they feel they were interfered with?
As fantom mentioned, this also (and probably more importantly) involves coaches. I had to work VERY hard to train myself in the area of "sudden change" or poorly executed plays.
If we fumbled, I wanted to chew major a$$ of whoever dropped the ball. Over time, given said situation, I'm yelling 'Ok defense! Defense get out there, get a stop!' I wanted to show as much confidence in the defense as I did in the offense when they were out there.
I often forget, like at home, kids see more than we realize. Projecting a confident body language is a skill I am going to continue to work on.
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Post by brophy on Jul 16, 2014 10:18:33 GMT -6
Is this really that different than the whole swearing issue?
I would imagine we would get the same litany of excuses why we don't model this behavior.
Coaching and leadership requires a performance each practice (just like it did when we were players).
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 16, 2014 11:14:35 GMT -6
From the coaching standpoint, there probably isn't much difference between the two. It's mainly boils down to proper behavior. I guess the same can be said for players as well.
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