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Post by coachvann on Jul 22, 2014 19:56:21 GMT -6
I just took over at a school that traditionally has very good athletes and has always gotten into the playoffs on talent. They really never had a summer program.
This summer we put in a weight room, I put out a calendar in May with workout times, camps, 7on7, and put a point system to it. I challenged our guys to get 400 points and those who get points will have first dibs with senior to freshman then those who don't get the 400 gets what's left still going senior to freshman.
I just took a call from a sophomore mom that is upset because her son was at AAU on the weekends but still missed weekday workouts and didn't get points and she heard a senior was going to get her son's number. The sr. found out and was nice to the sophomore and said he could have the number. I told the sophomore that he should be grateful because the sr. earned it and that was the sr. number.
The kid gets upset and now mom is saying I stabbed her son in the back and that I wasn't loyal to their best WR the school will ever have!!
WOW!!! He is a talented kid but he is an entitled kid and now I know where he gets it from!!
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Post by lochness on Jul 22, 2014 20:01:18 GMT -6
Good reward/recognition system
Very mature senior you should be proud of
Jackass parent who spoils their kid
I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Jackasses are always trying to tear good people down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 20:13:40 GMT -6
Seniors like that are the backbone of the best programs across the nation. Kudos to him.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 22, 2014 20:20:42 GMT -6
I just took over at a school that traditionally has very good athletes and has always gotten into the playoffs on talent. They really never had a summer program. This summer we put in a weight room, I put out a calendar in May with workout times, camps, 7on7, and put a point system to it. I challenged our guys to get 400 points and those who get points will have first dibs with senior to freshman then those who don't get the 400 gets what's left still going senior to freshman. I just took a call from a sophomore mom that is upset because her son was at AAU on the weekends but still missed weekday workouts and didn't get points and she heard a senior was going to get her son's number. The sr. found out and was nice to the sophomore and said he could have the number. I told the sophomore that he should be grateful because the sr. earned it and that was the sr. number. The kid gets upset and now mom is saying I stabbed her son in the back and that I wasn't loyal to their best WR the school will ever have!! WOW!!! He is a talented kid but he is an entitled kid and now I know where he gets it from!! KEY Point-- 99.9% of Parents have ONE, only ONE interest regarding your football program. THEIR KID. |
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 22, 2014 20:26:04 GMT -6
pull the senior aside and tell him you are proud of him, you can do other things to reward him, like captain, keep working on what your doing, like lochness says don't lose sleep, you might need the wr kid, you will need to work on his work ethic as your years go on, sounds like you will have to work hard on these guys putting in the extra work, stick with your guns, I think your senior boy should be the model you want your athletes to look up to and bring that up when the need arises
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 20:51:00 GMT -6
Great senior. That kid's setting an example.
As for the sophomore, if he's that upset about it, he can either suck it up and move on or go become the best receiver the school never had.
I like your system and the message you sent the entitled kid and his mom.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 22, 2014 20:51:47 GMT -6
It's nice that the Sr. offered up the number, but the bottom line is that the Sophomore didn't earn it. If he didn't earn it, you are setting a precedent that things can be had without fully meeting the set requirements.
I would have told the senior, the mom, and the AAU kid, that though I appreciate the senior's generosity, it wasn't his prerogative to give up his choice of number. He earned a certain place in choosing a number and he will keep that placement.
Now, if he decides on his own that he wants to choose a different number, well that IS his perogative.
Though I appreciate a kid that is staying active through AAU, AAU has nothing to do with the football program. He made his choice to attend AAU, thus limiting his ability to earn certain benefits in the football program.
It's not a punishment, but it is a lesson in decision making. Your priority is the football program. His priority was something else.
At the end of the day (regardless of talent level) that kid has to receive what he earned, not what he or his mom feel he deserves. The only thing he should have coming to him is an opportunity to compete for a spot...nothing more.
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Post by fantom on Jul 22, 2014 20:56:50 GMT -6
I just took over at a school that traditionally has very good athletes and has always gotten into the playoffs on talent. They really never had a summer program. This summer we put in a weight room, I put out a calendar in May with workout times, camps, 7on7, and put a point system to it. I challenged our guys to get 400 points and those who get points will have first dibs with senior to freshman then those who don't get the 400 gets what's left still going senior to freshman. I just took a call from a sophomore mom that is upset because her son was at AAU on the weekends but still missed weekday workouts and didn't get points and she heard a senior was going to get her son's number. The sr. found out and was nice to the sophomore and said he could have the number. I told the sophomore that he should be grateful because the sr. earned it and that was the sr. number. The kid gets upset and now mom is saying I stabbed her son in the back and that I wasn't loyal to their best WR the school will ever have!! WOW!!! He is a talented kid but he is an entitled kid and now I know where he gets it from!! Roll your eyes and move on. Not everything is a big deal. |
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jul 22, 2014 21:00:17 GMT -6
I just took over at a school that traditionally has very good athletes and has always gotten into the playoffs on talent. They really never had a summer program. This summer we put in a weight room, I put out a calendar in May with workout times, camps, 7on7, and put a point system to it. I challenged our guys to get 400 points and those who get points will have first dibs with senior to freshman then those who don't get the 400 gets what's left still going senior to freshman. I just took a call from a sophomore mom that is upset because her son was at AAU on the weekends but still missed weekday workouts and didn't get points and she heard a senior was going to get her son's number. The sr. found out and was nice to the sophomore and said he could have the number. I told the sophomore that he should be grateful because the sr. earned it and that was the sr. number. The kid gets upset and now mom is saying I stabbed her son in the back and that I wasn't loyal to their best WR the school will ever have!! WOW!!! He is a talented kid but he is an entitled kid and now I know where he gets it from!! You are doing what you can. I do not envy your experience, mainly because I've had several of my own that were similar. The only thing we do differently is that those who don't meet the requirements, don't pick their number. We'd tell the senior "thanks", but the sophomore isn't getting that number anyway, so pick the number YOU want. We're going to have similar issues in two weeks because of guys not showing up this summer. You don't show up, get ready to re-monogram your stuff, because you'll have a new number. |
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Post by coachorm on Jul 22, 2014 21:14:22 GMT -6
I agree with the rest of the coaches, except I think you don't just pull this Senior aside and thank him but also point out his selflessness to the entire team without drawing attention to the negative aspect of the situation. Show other players that you notice when guys do things that benefit the team and not the me.
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Post by fantom on Jul 22, 2014 21:23:45 GMT -6
I agree with the rest of the coaches, except I think you don't just pull this Senior aside and thank him but also point out his selflessness to the entire team without drawing attention to the negative aspect of the situation. Show other players that you notice when guys do things that benefit the team and not the me. How do you do that? How do you publicly thank the senior without singling out the soph s a douche? |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 22, 2014 21:28:02 GMT -6
I agree with the rest of the coaches, except I think you don't just pull this Senior aside and thank him but also point out his selflessness to the entire team without drawing attention to the negative aspect of the situation. Show other players that you notice when guys do things that benefit the team and not the me. How do you do that? How do you publicly thank the senior without singling out the soph s a douche? I thought the same thing. Not a bridge I would cross... |
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Post by falcon44 on Jul 22, 2014 21:34:25 GMT -6
We have a similar point system (inner city school) and this kind of thing disgusts me.I have had moms just like you described and she needs to be knocked down a peg.You set the rules and too bad for that kid.I dont understand how a soph would get the number any ways.Im sure a lot of other kids pick before him.
I dont know how you stabbed the son in the back,she is crazy!I would look for a replacement fast because you are going to have nothing but problems if the kid ran back and told mommy. STAND your ground Coach!Have minimal if any conversation with her.
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Post by coachorm on Jul 22, 2014 21:52:08 GMT -6
I agree with the rest of the coaches, except I think you don't just pull this Senior aside and thank him but also point out his selflessness to the entire team without drawing attention to the negative aspect of the situation. Show other players that you notice when guys do things that benefit the team and not the me. How do you do that? How do you publicly thank the senior without singling out the soph s a douche? Your probably right and there isn't a way, at least not an easy one. But I would sure try to think of something. Might have to point out what was done but not why the Sr. made that choice. Just that it was a selfless act by an upperclassman. Maybe I'm just reaching for straws here and being to optimistic.
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Post by spartan on Jul 22, 2014 22:10:45 GMT -6
Next year you may want to have a conditioning system in Camp. Ie those that don't get 100 points have to condition after every practice 200 points condition all of camp 300 Condition first week. Etc I do that. Kids that don't participate understand they are going to do up downs run bear crawl etc for 8 minutes after every practice.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 23, 2014 6:53:33 GMT -6
Next year you may want to have a conditioning system in Camp. Ie those that don't get 100 points have to condition after every practice 200 points condition all of camp 300 Condition first week. Etc I do that. Kids that don't participate understand they are going to do up downs run bear crawl etc for 8 minutes after every practice. I don't think that would make much difference in this situation. Then the mother in question would be upset that her baby was being punished! |
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Post by utchuckd on Jul 23, 2014 7:52:03 GMT -6
What about the kid in between those two in the picking order that wanted that number but realized he didn't earn it so kept his trap shut and picked what he could?
Or maybe I'm over-thinking it.
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Post by brophy on Jul 23, 2014 8:19:30 GMT -6
I'm confused....
Why does the mom care about the kids football number? I'm sure he's got a ton of basketball scholarships to worry about after playing AAU, amirite?
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Post by fantom on Jul 23, 2014 8:23:48 GMT -6
I'm confused.... Why does the mom care about the kids football number? I'm sure he's got a ton of basketball scholarships to worry about after playing AAU, amirite? It's probably a marketing thing. Nike wants him to have a number that he can wear in both basketball and football. |
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Post by dubber on Jul 23, 2014 8:24:06 GMT -6
I would make sure to have an end of season talk where he knows his number is up for grabs if he doesn't meet the work out requirements.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 23, 2014 9:31:16 GMT -6
Personally, I tell the kid and the mom to take a hike. I don't care if he's Randy Moss, you're never going to get that out of him because 1- he sounds like a giant pu**y, 2- he's an entitled one at that, 3- he's not there enough. I'd rather not have those kids around than have to deal with the headaches of "talent".
Regardless, if you let this kid have the number, prepare yourself to be this kid's bi**h for the next three years because he now owns you. At least he and his mother think so.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 23, 2014 10:19:55 GMT -6
Personally, I tell the kid and the mom to take a hike. I don't care if he's Randy Moss, you're never going to get that out of him because 1- he sounds like a giant pu**y, 2- he's an entitled one at that, 3- he's not there enough. I'd rather not have those kids around than have to deal with the headaches of "talent". Regardless, if you let this kid have the number, prepare yourself to be this kid's bi**h for the next three years because he now owns you. At least he and his mother think so. I definitely feel your frustration and share much of your sentiment. However, there are still a few things that need to be considered before telling this kid to hit the bricks: 1) We cannot under estimate the power of "change." We've all seen kids that have seen the error of their ways, tell mom to go fly a kite, and they get on board with the mission at hand. Hopefully, this young man will do that and become the athlete that the coach hopes he will be. 2) coachvann may not have a deep talent pool to sift through, so transforming the attitude of this kid and his mom may take a little effort, but the benefit on keeping him, may outweigh the disappointment of losing him. 3) The kid is still young. Given time, he has the potential to learn and grow from this situation. It doesn't sound like a HUGE deal, but it could be if not dealt with properly. Even if I had to go back on a previous commitment or statement I made, I would NOT let that young man have that number. It will open up a "Pandora's Box" of 'well you let him do that, so what about me?' kind of issues. It's just like when people say that giving something to someone that hasn't earned it only cheapens that person. In this case (IMO), giving him a number he didn't earn cheapens the program. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 23, 2014 11:24:21 GMT -6
I just look at it like this- This kid has been raised in this environment for 15/16 years by this point. His mom and he have acted this way apparently all through his youth/jr high and now HS sports. Could he change? Yes. Is he going to? Statistically, no. I just have a very short fuse when dealing with this type of crap.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 23, 2014 12:30:49 GMT -6
I had a kid who was going to compete for the QB spot. He was junior. Talented young man. I had a senior that wasn't going to contribute more than special teams, but he didn't miss a workout all summer.
When it came time to pick numbers I started with the seniors. That senior picked the number that the junior QB wanted.
As the junior came up to pick, he was all confused on who had his number (as the kids usually sort all of this out beforehand).
Long story short, the QB and other players close to him, tried to "coerce" him to give the number up. It got back to me as that senior was all upset about it. I tried to diffuse it before he went home crying about it.
I brought them both in, asked what the issue was, the senior explained it clearly, the junior was told to like it or lump it, and that was the end of it. He wasn't happy, but the senior is a senior and that's how I ran it. I told them both, if I heard another word about it, they'd both get a numbers that neither one of them wanted.
I look at the team picture and giggle about it. It's just funny the things kids deem important. Though I probably don't want to admit it, I guess I was that way, too, to some extent.
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Post by fantom on Jul 23, 2014 12:48:47 GMT -6
I had a kid who was going to compete for the QB spot. He was junior. Talented young man. I had a senior that wasn't going to contribute more than special teams, but he didn't miss a workout all summer. When it came time to pick numbers I started with the seniors. That senior picked the number that the junior QB wanted. As the junior came up to pick, he was all confused on who had his number (as the kids usually sort all of this out beforehand). Long story short, the QB and other players close to him, tried to "coerce" him to give the number up. It got back to me as that senior was all upset about it. I tried to diffuse it before he went home crying about it. I brought them both in, asked what the issue was, the senior explained it clearly, the junior was told to like it or lump it, and that was the end of it. He wasn't happy, but the senior is a senior and that's how I ran it. I told them both, if I heard another word about it, they'd both get a numbers that neither one of them wanted. I look at the team picture and giggle about it. It's just funny the things kids deem important. Though I probably don't want to admit it, I guess I was that way, too, to some extent. When I was in college the coach tossed me a jersey and told me, "Make it famous". I didn't and kids don't fight to get #37 but that's besides the point. I wanted #66 but kids today have no idea who Ray Nitschke was. Before Lawrence Taylor nobody wanted #56 and they don't care about it now. My college freshman coach was right. Make it famous. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 23, 2014 14:12:21 GMT -6
I had a kid who was going to compete for the QB spot. He was junior. Talented young man. I had a senior that wasn't going to contribute more than special teams, but he didn't miss a workout all summer. When it came time to pick numbers I started with the seniors. That senior picked the number that the junior QB wanted. As the junior came up to pick, he was all confused on who had his number (as the kids usually sort all of this out beforehand). Long story short, the QB and other players close to him, tried to "coerce" him to give the number up. It got back to me as that senior was all upset about it. I tried to diffuse it before he went home crying about it. I brought them both in, asked what the issue was, the senior explained it clearly, the junior was told to like it or lump it, and that was the end of it. He wasn't happy, but the senior is a senior and that's how I ran it. I told them both, if I heard another word about it, they'd both get a numbers that neither one of them wanted. I look at the team picture and giggle about it. It's just funny the things kids deem important. Though I probably don't want to admit it, I guess I was that way, too, to some extent. When I was in college the coach tossed me a jersey and told me, "Make it famous". I didn't and kids don't fight to get #37 but that's besides the point. I wanted #66 but kids today have no idea who Ray Nitschke was. Before Lawrence Taylor nobody wanted #56 and they don't care about it now. My college freshman coach was right. Make it famous. First of all, a shout out to the days when colleges actually had freshmen teams.
Second, I don't care what anyone says, and this hits on carookie 's thread on football 30 years ago, but guys back then had a way with words that are a lost art in today's world. "Make it famous." Great story.
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Post by fantom on Jul 23, 2014 14:30:33 GMT -6
When I was in college the coach tossed me a jersey and told me, "Make it famous". I didn't and kids don't fight to get #37 but that's besides the point. I wanted #66 but kids today have no idea who Ray Nitschke was. Before Lawrence Taylor nobody wanted #56 and they don't care about it now. My college freshman coach was right. Make it famous. First of all, a shout out to the days when colleges actually had freshmen teams.
Second, I don't care what anyone says, and this hits on carookie 's thread on football 30 years ago, but guys back then had a way with words that are a lost art in today's world. "Make it famous." Great story.
Not even close to the best of it. The coach was a Korea-era Marine who played for his base team. He told us that before one game, they told him that if they lost, "..every swinging dick here is going to Korea". Talk about motivation. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 23, 2014 14:32:56 GMT -6
First of all, a shout out to the days when colleges actually had freshmen teams.
Second, I don't care what anyone says, and this hits on carookie 's thread on football 30 years ago, but guys back then had a way with words that are a lost art in today's world. "Make it famous." Great story.
Not even close to the best of it. The coach was a Korea-era Marine who played for his base team. He told us that before one game, they told him that if they lost, "..every swinging dick here is going to Korea". Talk about motivation. I should mention that we were still in Vietnam at the time so it was like, "Hahaha-gulp". |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 23, 2014 14:40:02 GMT -6
Not even close to the best of it. The coach was a Korea-era Marine who played for his base team. He told us that before one game, they told him that if they lost, "..every swinging dick here is going to Korea". Talk about motivation. I should mention that we were still in Vietnam at the time so it was like, "Hahaha-gulp". I'm sure some guys played the best game in their lives! Classic. |
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Post by coachvann on Jul 25, 2014 13:45:38 GMT -6
Coaches,
Really appreciate all the input...what was neat about this is that some of my other srs heard that our new sr gave up his number and they made a big deal about it to underclassmen because we have been talking about taking care of each other.
Then me and the young WR had a come to Jesus meeting...I made it crystal clear that this was all the srs doing and that you should be thanking him for being selfless...but what does that make you?
He didn't like the answer I was leading him to. But he was responsive and thanked the sr in front of the team. I think this may be a special year!!
I sure wish I read "make this number famous" post before our meeting! Trust me!!!!I will not be talking to his momma at all-its more from mom than the kid!
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