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Post by coachbdud on Aug 20, 2014 22:20:43 GMT -6
We will be trying something new this year (starting tomorrow)
no more thursday walk thru practice
i've heard some coaches talk about it, suggested it at last staff meeting and everyone seemed in favor of trying it
rather than the helmets only, or shells only walk thru practice on thursday (day before game) where it is low intensity, trying to "keep everyone healthy" blah blah blah we will be having a lighter day on wednesdays and a regular full gear practice on thursdays
the idea behind it i got from Noel Mazzone at a clinic this year, and have since read that Chip Kelly has been doing it for years
Mazzone said they go lighter 2 days out from a game, and have a legit practice the day before... he said they felt going 48 hours between playing intensely (between last full practice and game time) had negative effects and actually hurt athletic performance
they found a more intense practice the day before kept them playing at a higher level
I read somewhere chip kelly used Olympic track runners as the example, rather than rest, they run hard the day before their race, and it better prepares them for their event
now we aren't gonna do oklahoma and go crazy running team for a long time, but i think being in full gear makes us more focused we will do a lot of individual work and a brief team period with a quick whistle
just curious if anyone else has switched to this format... more or less flip flopping your thursday and wednesday schedules to avoid the peaks and valley's in player intensity
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 21, 2014 9:38:44 GMT -6
I am trying to get our HC to do it.
as a side bar....
There is a team in our state that has had a pretty good deal of success historically. They are old school, 2 TE, I formation, only run 6 plays, etc.... They do full gear every Thursday and scrimmage, and have been doing it for decades.
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Post by coachgtiller on Aug 21, 2014 12:00:13 GMT -6
Although, I'm not the HC I've read into this quite a bit as well. With that said, going off of what coachwoodall said the most successful team in our state is 8 miles away (also our biggest rival) goes helmets only on Thursday and they've won 4 straight state titles. So I think it's just preference. Nothing wrong with shells as long as you take it seriously and feel like it's productive. The last school I was at did game scenarios, KO, PAT,Backed up punt, etc... It was all on air and I felt like we got nothing out of it. Not saying those things shouldn't be addressed but it was just way too relaxed.
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Post by blackknight on Aug 21, 2014 14:24:20 GMT -6
We switched a few years ago to this. We used to go to camp at Oregon and they are the ones that sold us on the idea. We were always a slow starting team/program and we tried many different things to attempt to rectify the problem. Nothing worked until we did this and it was immediate!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:15:51 GMT -6
This is something that I've been curious about for a while after reading about Oregon doing it.
Thurs. walkthroughs on air always seemed like such a waste of time, anyway.
Keep us posted on what kind of season you have and how it goes.
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Post by holmesbend on Aug 21, 2014 21:06:12 GMT -6
I'm right there with you. We are done with walk throughs....more of a headache than anything. We aren't good enough to 'walk through' anything.
For what it's worth, a school not 25 miles from us doesn't practice at all on Thursdays. They started doing that a few years ago, and have since stuck with it. One of the best offenses in the state, highest scoring, etc. County school (rural) that is a 6-9 wins per year more years than not.
Our kids can't handle 'walk through'. We have 60 out with 45 of those being 9th/10th....so, it makes sense that they can't handle it.
Anybody ever start practice with Team periods?
We've been doing this the last couple weeks and practice has gone much better. They cant go 1/2 speed, then a teaching period, then full.....then slowed down, etc. On offense, we have been doing this and it's gone so much better.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 22, 2014 8:27:54 GMT -6
I guess we do sort of a hybrid of the traditional helmet only and a full on practice.
We go shells and sort of walk through specials, but we go a 75% live scrimmage with scout for our O and D. I do like it better than a true walk through, but I also like that we're getting a little freshened up before Friday. We also lift that night so it's not like our kids aren't getting a workout.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 22, 2014 12:43:45 GMT -6
Anybody ever start practice with Team periods? We dynamic warm Speed/Agility circuit Then go straight to a team pass segment, good on good
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 24, 2014 12:32:18 GMT -6
for what its worth, I've done everything from full to helmets, now I am doing uppers get after it at the beginning, then we do a script game like what is in the book football clock management in helmets then finish with 2 min o three times with the 1st o and twice with 2nd team, after we get it down practice should be over in hour to hour half,
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Post by buckeye7525 on Aug 24, 2014 13:01:49 GMT -6
coachbdud how did this past Thursday go? Did you notice a difference on Friday?
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 24, 2014 15:13:20 GMT -6
coachbdud how did this past Thursday go? Did you notice a difference on Friday? I'll update next week Our scrimmage was last night And we couldn't practice Friday because of some fundraising we were doing So having no prac fri we definitely came out sloppy as heck last night
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Post by flyinghelmet on Aug 24, 2014 15:47:53 GMT -6
We practice helmets only on thursdays. Works for us and the kids know how important that is. They stay focused and we don't have to worry about someone getting hurt.
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Post by tim914790 on Aug 24, 2014 16:14:42 GMT -6
We are by no means a state power but we average 7 wins per year and after our first scrimmage we are in uppers the rest of the year. Our main goal in practice is to get our game plan in while keeping everyone healthy. We are fortunate that our kids can go 50-75% in practice and they bring it 100% on Friday nights. I have been in other places where if we were not full pads every day we would not get anything done because the focus completely changed when we went uppers. I think it just depends on your situation and there is not an one way fits all way of doing it.
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Post by bigm0073 on Aug 31, 2014 20:48:56 GMT -6
We did the full pac thing last week.. Very young team.. Youngest I have had since 2008... We went pretty hard Thursday.. Won 34 to 0... Did not feel like we were flat.. I like it.. Will continue
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Post by buckeye7525 on Sept 1, 2014 3:57:40 GMT -6
We did the full pac thing last week.. Very young team.. Youngest I have had since 2008... We went pretty hard Thursday.. Won 34 to 0... Did not feel like we were flat.. I like it.. Will continue Coach, would you mind detailing what all you did on Thrusday?
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Post by bigm0073 on Sept 1, 2014 9:15:40 GMT -6
Offense quick walk thru.. correct mistakes from prior practice from film..
We were in full pads..
Offense.. Went right to 7 on 7 10 minutes.. OL/DL did pass pro 1 on 1.. Got the sweat going and intensity up..
From there we put on the music and ran our sit stuff... 3rd and long, short yardage, red zone, goaline.. finished with two minute..
Review SPTMS....
Defense - 9 on 9 inside for about 12 minutes.. intense but no tackling to ground...
Defense team.. game situation with music playing...
Finished with PAT, Onside, Hands, Victory..
We felt like we got something out of it.. We film every practice and we filmed this too... We were fresh friday and came out relatively strong.. Not weak or tired or sluggish... I just like it because I feel like we did not waste a practice.
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Post by coachbdud on Sept 1, 2014 21:48:05 GMT -6
we tried it, still suck to start the game lol
went down 14-0 then we woke up and played much better
won 30-28
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Post by holmesbend on Sept 2, 2014 8:15:44 GMT -6
Tried something different this week & the positives were amazing.
Thursdays are a P.I.T.A. Whether it was 15-0 state championship teams as an assistant, to last year us going O'fer on the year and every type of season in between. They just suck.
So, in an effort not to lose my mind and kill everybody, we took Thursday completely OFF. NADA. NOTHING.
...we have early release Friday's in our school district,so we did our normal walk through/practice on Thursdays...on FRIDAY afternoon. Went from 1:30-2:45. Kids were able to go home for 2-3 hours. Game on.
...we won 33-28 that night; winning on an 80 yard drive with less than 2 minutes to play. I'm not sure whether or not that had any effect. But, we were SHARPER than a typical Thursday. Heck, I felt the same way. More energized.
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 5, 2014 12:51:22 GMT -6
I love that idea: now to get my school district to have early release Fridays. . .
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Post by coachirish on Mar 2, 2016 16:12:03 GMT -6
Anybody else ditch walk through Thursday? I think we will try it this season.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 2, 2016 16:35:41 GMT -6
We will be trying something new this year (starting tomorrow) no more thursday walk thru practice i've heard some coaches talk about it, suggested it at last staff meeting and everyone seemed in favor of trying it rather than the helmets only, or shells only walk thru practice on thursday (day before game) where it is low intensity, trying to "keep everyone healthy" blah blah blah we will be having a lighter day on wednesdays and a regular full gear practice on thursdays the idea behind it i got from Noel Mazzone at a clinic this year, and have since read that Chip Kelly has been doing it for years Mazzone said they go lighter 2 days out from a game, and have a legit practice the day before... he said they felt going 48 hours between playing intensely (between last full practice and game time) had negative effects and actually hurt athletic performance they found a more intense practice the day before kept them playing at a higher level I read somewhere chip kelly used Olympic track runners as the example, rather than rest, they run hard the day before their race, and it better prepares them for their event now we aren't gonna do oklahoma and go crazy running team for a long time, but i think being in full gear makes us more focused we will do a lot of individual work and a brief team period with a quick whistle just curious if anyone else has switched to this format... more or less flip flopping your thursday and wednesday schedules to avoid the peaks and valley's in player intensity really interesting concept. id love to hear how it works for you.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 2, 2016 17:08:06 GMT -6
We did it this year, really liked it. We did kind of back off the "full intensity" aspect as the season went on but that's our normal routine.
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Post by gibbs72 on Mar 2, 2016 22:00:42 GMT -6
We will be trying something new this year (starting tomorrow) no more thursday walk thru practice i've heard some coaches talk about it, suggested it at last staff meeting and everyone seemed in favor of trying it rather than the helmets only, or shells only walk thru practice on thursday (day before game) where it is low intensity, trying to "keep everyone healthy" blah blah blah we will be having a lighter day on wednesdays and a regular full gear practice on thursdays the idea behind it i got from Noel Mazzone at a clinic this year, and have since read that Chip Kelly has been doing it for years Mazzone said they go lighter 2 days out from a game, and have a legit practice the day before... he said they felt going 48 hours between playing intensely (between last full practice and game time) had negative effects and actually hurt athletic performance they found a more intense practice the day before kept them playing at a higher level I read somewhere chip kelly used Olympic track runners as the example, rather than rest, they run hard the day before their race, and it better prepares them for their event now we aren't gonna do oklahoma and go crazy running team for a long time, but i think being in full gear makes us more focused we will do a lot of individual work and a brief team period with a quick whistle just curious if anyone else has switched to this format... more or less flip flopping your thursday and wednesday schedules to avoid the peaks and valley's in player intensity How did this work for you guys?
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 2, 2016 22:10:04 GMT -6
We will be trying something new this year (starting tomorrow) no more thursday walk thru practice i've heard some coaches talk about it, suggested it at last staff meeting and everyone seemed in favor of trying it rather than the helmets only, or shells only walk thru practice on thursday (day before game) where it is low intensity, trying to "keep everyone healthy" blah blah blah we will be having a lighter day on wednesdays and a regular full gear practice on thursdays the idea behind it i got from Noel Mazzone at a clinic this year, and have since read that Chip Kelly has been doing it for years Mazzone said they go lighter 2 days out from a game, and have a legit practice the day before... he said they felt going 48 hours between playing intensely (between last full practice and game time) had negative effects and actually hurt athletic performance they found a more intense practice the day before kept them playing at a higher level I read somewhere chip kelly used Olympic track runners as the example, rather than rest, they run hard the day before their race, and it better prepares them for their event now we aren't gonna do oklahoma and go crazy running team for a long time, but i think being in full gear makes us more focused we will do a lot of individual work and a brief team period with a quick whistle just curious if anyone else has switched to this format... more or less flip flopping your thursday and wednesday schedules to avoid the peaks and valley's in player intensity How did this work for you guys? ehh the effects werent amazing. we ended up switching back to more of a walk through game situation thing last season
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Post by morris on Mar 3, 2016 5:55:32 GMT -6
I keep hearing about guys simulating a game. I like the idea and we might try. There are a few on here that have talked about doing it with special teams and everything.
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Post by utchuckd on Mar 3, 2016 7:30:30 GMT -6
I keep hearing about guys simulating a game. I like the idea and we might try. There are a few on here that have talked about doing it with special teams and everything. That's what we did. I've been looking for my old scripts so I can go back to it this year. You can hit all the little oddball situational stuff pretty quickly so your kids have been exposed to things they need to see.
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Post by morris on Mar 3, 2016 7:49:59 GMT -6
I keep hearing about guys simulating a game. I like the idea and we might try. There are a few on here that have talked about doing it with special teams and everything. That's what we did. I've been looking for my old scripts so I can go back to it this year. You can hit all the little oddball situational stuff pretty quickly so your kids have been exposed to things they need to see. One of the reasons I like it is to keep kids aware. So we can yell punt and make sure we've got things covered for example. I think it would also help us as coaches. I know I've had issues with practicing things for an opponent then we get in a game and I get caught up. I would hope it would help get my coaches use to game day responsibilities too. One thing Mazzone does is they randomly pull kids out of reps as if a helmet came off or if there was an injury.
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Post by 20x on Mar 3, 2016 9:26:08 GMT -6
We got rid of our walk thru on Thursdays this year. We actually tried to make our Wednesday practice our easier practice of the year. I am not sure that worked as well because the kids would mentally check out because they knew it was going to be an easier day. After getting four full practices in each week I wouldn't go back to having walk thru anymore. It definitely took the pressure off during the week to get everything put in the practice script on Monday and Tuesday. It also allowed for some game plan adjustments during the week if we didn't like how things were developing.
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Post by gibbs72 on Mar 3, 2016 9:32:04 GMT -6
We got rid of our walk thru on Thursdays this year. We actually tried to make our Wednesday practice our easier practice of the year. I am not sure that worked as well because the kids would mentally check out because they knew it was going to be an easier day. After getting four full practices in each week I wouldn't go back to having walk thru anymore. It definitely took the pressure off during the week to get everything put in the practice script on Monday and Tuesday. It also allowed for some game plan adjustments during the week if we didn't like how things were developing. Are you the HC? If not, how did you convince your HC to give this idea a try?
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Post by 20x on Mar 3, 2016 9:39:54 GMT -6
I am the DC. This was the HC's call at the beginning of the year. He was wanting to try something different after reading about how Chip Kelly ran his practices. We platoon anyways so we already get a lot of reps during the week but I really like the extra day. It does come with more work because its another day to script and some more scout cards to draw.
We share our game field in town with the other public high schools so Thursday games are somewhat normal for us. Over the past few years we played some of best games on Thursday night. Some of our staff came to the conclusion that was because we were just using Wednesday as a normal practice day and not a walk thru.
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