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Post by emptybackfield on Aug 21, 2014 9:38:20 GMT -6
We're a "Class 6" school with very low (relative) numbers. We've only got 55 players grades 10-12. This is a new challenge for us, as our numbers have been much better in the past.
For you guys that have lower numbers, how are you getting quality scout reps? Right now, we're having to use varsity starters as scout players, which we'd like to avoid for possible injury and freshness sake. Everyone except the top 2 QB's are playing both ways, so it's not like there is a ton of time to install scout offense and defense either.
We're trying to think outside the box a little bit. There has been talk of just going vs. bags in any scout situation in order to save bodies and prevent injuries, but we know the downside of not getting "live" reps vs. the offense or defense you're going to see on Friday.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by fantom on Aug 21, 2014 10:28:31 GMT -6
We're a "Class 6" school with very low (relative) numbers. We've only got 55 players grades 10-12. This is a new challenge for us, as our numbers have been much better in the past. For you guys that have lower numbers, how are you getting quality scout reps? Right now, we're having to use varsity starters as scout players, which we'd like to avoid for possible injury and freshness sake. Everyone except the top 2 QB's are playing both ways, so it's not like there is a ton of time to install scout offense and defense either. We're trying to think outside the box a little bit. There has been talk of just going vs. bags in any scout situation in order to save bodies and prevent injuries, but we know the downside of not getting "live" reps vs. the offense or defense you're going to see on Friday. Any help would be appreciated. 1. Why do you need to install the scout offense and defense? Don't you use scout cards and a script? 2. How does the scout offense use bags? |
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Post by emptybackfield on Aug 21, 2014 11:35:37 GMT -6
We're a "Class 6" school with very low (relative) numbers. We've only got 55 players grades 10-12. This is a new challenge for us, as our numbers have been much better in the past. For you guys that have lower numbers, how are you getting quality scout reps? Right now, we're having to use varsity starters as scout players, which we'd like to avoid for possible injury and freshness sake. Everyone except the top 2 QB's are playing both ways, so it's not like there is a ton of time to install scout offense and defense either. We're trying to think outside the box a little bit. There has been talk of just going vs. bags in any scout situation in order to save bodies and prevent injuries, but we know the downside of not getting "live" reps vs. the offense or defense you're going to see on Friday. Any help would be appreciated. 1. Why do you need to install the scout offense and defense? Don't you use scout cards and a script? 2. How does the scout offense use bags? 1) Poor terminology on my part. I should have said "rep" the scout plays. Since we're playing on both sides, the kids are really gassed going through a starters role on one side of the ball, then turning around and either being a scout or starter on the other side of the ball. The reps we're getting right now are just not very good. 2) Just have the front 7/8 hold bags and work on hand placement, block assignment, etc. instead of using your starters as defenders and getting someone banged up. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 21, 2014 11:41:40 GMT -6
1. Why do you need to install the scout offense and defense? Don't you use scout cards and a script? 2. How does the scout offense use bags? 1) Poor terminology on my part. I should have said "rep" the scout plays. We have pretty limited time with each side of the ball. 2) Just have the front 7/8 hold bags and work on hand placement, block assignment, etc. instead of using your starters as defenders and getting someone banged up. I know how to use bags for the scout defense vs. our offense. How do you use bags for the scout offense vs. our defense? |
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Post by fred on Aug 21, 2014 11:58:45 GMT -6
One thing we have done for scout O to get quality reps into have our startingJV offense run on plays against they and then have a second huddle who is running off cards. This solves 2 problems for us. Our Jv. Guys get quality reps and we. Get to see something at speed and we get get to see the scout offense as well. I look at it this way we need to be able to line up and play fast on Friday night . The scout huddle is helping us with the lining up part as well as seeing opponents best plays and the JV huddle is helping us play faster.
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Post by emptybackfield on Aug 21, 2014 12:01:59 GMT -6
1) Poor terminology on my part. I should have said "rep" the scout plays. We have pretty limited time with each side of the ball. 2) Just have the front 7/8 hold bags and work on hand placement, block assignment, etc. instead of using your starters as defenders and getting someone banged up. I know how to use bags for the scout defense vs. our offense. How do you use bags for the scout offense vs. our defense? Misread your question there, sorry. I'm trying to act like I'm teaching these kids something about the problems of industrialization during the Gilded Age and it's distracting me from what's really important. The scout offense wouldn't use bags, just the scout defense. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Aug 21, 2014 12:02:58 GMT -6
One thing we have done for scout O to get quality reps into have our startingJV offense run on plays against they and then have a second huddle who is running off cards. This solves 2 problems for us. Our Jv. Guys get quality reps and we. Get to see something at speed and we get get to see the scout offense as well. I look at it this way we need to be able to line up and play fast on Friday night . The scout huddle is helping us with the lining up part as well as seeing opponents best plays and the JV huddle is helping us play faster. Interesting. Thanks. |
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Post by mountainman on Aug 21, 2014 12:27:29 GMT -6
We carried about 55 through the playoffs last year. We were able to get a scout D going against 1st O and a scout D going against 2nd o on a different field. We used our game head sets. HC/OC would call a play, a different coach on each field would signal. We would run the play.
On defensive day, we would have 3 scout teams running against the 1st D. Had scout cards and a script. Play would be dead, next scout team would line up, D would sprint from the end of the play, line up, and go again. It worked great for us and allowed us to cut down on conditioning.
55 should give you 2 offenses, 2 defenses, and 11 subs. Should work out great.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 21, 2014 13:55:12 GMT -6
We're a "Class 6" school with very low (relative) numbers. We've only got 55 players grades 10-12. This is a new challenge for us, as our numbers have been much better in the past. For you guys that have lower numbers, how are you getting quality scout reps? Right now, we're having to use varsity starters as scout players, which we'd like to avoid for possible injury and freshness sake. Everyone except the top 2 QB's are playing both ways, so it's not like there is a ton of time to install scout offense and defense either. We're trying to think outside the box a little bit. There has been talk of just going vs. bags in any scout situation in order to save bodies and prevent injuries, but we know the downside of not getting "live" reps vs. the offense or defense you're going to see on Friday. Any help would be appreciated. defensive starters play on our scout d all the time as long as they aren't an offensive starter, i want the best look i can have yes i could put 11 slappys out there and feel great about myself calling plays in practice, and our Rb would go untouched on every power but i generally try to have my starting 11 on O , a few backups who i know will play a TON and then from what is left i put the best 11 out there if anything make your team sessions shorter i would rather go 5 minutes with my 1s vs the best 11 on defense i can have (leave myself no backups to rotate in on O if i need to) and get 5 minutes of quality work in then to have 20 minutes of work against 11 maxi pads |
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Post by coachgrob on Aug 21, 2014 14:02:38 GMT -6
We have 45 in the 2nd biggest classification in our state. We get the best reps in inside hole and 7v7. We use half line, to get the best vs. best once or twice a week. Other than that we try to stay healthy by going 'thud' or no contact beyond the box or LOS. We try and 'stay up' during team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:33:46 GMT -6
I coached in a similar situation 2 years ago. Some things we did/should have done...
Keep full team periods short and focus on talent vs. talent in Indy drills.
Go "thud" in shells all the time. Never tackle to the ground past camp. Also never cut in a situation without the defender knowing it's coming.
Treat it like a small school would with a lot of 1/2 line stuff to get talent on talent.
"Perimeter" (outside run/7on 7) and "Hull" (inside run) periods for best challenge.
Offensive and Defensive specialists play Scout team.
Have your most athletic coach at scout team QB and let him throw when the rush breaks through the scout OL so the DBs get reps there. This helps improve the scout team tremendously.
Use a stopwatch to time the QB in the pocket. Anything over 4 seconds in the pocket is blown dead as a sack.
Invest in trash cans and do as much of your "on air" stuff vs cans as possible to at least work gaps, blocking assignments, etc. without kids screwing it up by being in the wrong spot.
Have a designated scout team A and scout team B going with 2 huddles on each side. Include alternates for when kids are out so you just pull from a preplanned list to save time.
Number the positions on scout card and draw them up against a scripted defense to make assignments crisper and faster to line up and execute/swap out.
Team vs bags is good for install, but that's about it. Kids need to learn how to block someone who's moving.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 22, 2014 6:34:47 GMT -6
I would think with 55 kids there shouldn't be too much of a problem getting a decent scout team going. Sure you will never get a true 1 vs 1 type look with that number but we have had teams in the 20's an found ways to get looks. Sure you have guys who aren't starters on one side but start the other side of the ball, make em play scout. If you have 44 guys for a scout team rotate a lot of them at least they will be fresh and give a bit more of an effort, might not be the best quality but better than nothing.
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Post by emptybackfield on Aug 22, 2014 9:33:06 GMT -6
I would think with 55 kids there shouldn't be too much of a problem getting a decent scout team going. Sure you will never get a true 1 vs 1 type look with that number but we have had teams in the 20's an found ways to get looks. Sure you have guys who aren't starters on one side but start the other side of the ball, make em play scout. If you have 44 guys for a scout team rotate a lot of them at least they will be fresh and give a bit more of an effort, might not be the best quality but better than nothing. Yeah, a key issue that I didn't mention is that we divide our players into varsity and freshman/JV to practice. That splits it about evenly, so really we only have about 15-20 kids available for "scout" situations after you take about 15 kids that are all "starters" on offense (we have a couple different personnel packages). Of those 15-20 available, at least 5-6 are pretty useless if we're wanting to get a decent look. |
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Post by coachgtiller on Aug 22, 2014 10:22:39 GMT -6
That's your problem, you have to keep those JV kids in there. Surely 3 or 4 of them are good enough to give you a look. We have 47 kids 10-12 and we manage to get good looks. Of course there are some kids that aren't going to give us a serviceable look and they don't rotate in. But we make due and go full team periods where we just "thud" up as many have already stated.
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Post by newhope on Aug 29, 2014 11:39:04 GMT -6
We're going to get a lot better looks in inside run and skelly periods than vs a scout O or D in team. Unless you're deep with talent, a scout team isn't going to come close to what your opponent is anyhow. For the scout D against our offense, we have them with bags, we go fast, we make the offense fire off and drive, and we quick whistle. We're coaching footwork, explosiveness, assignment, etc. We don't risk injury but we get our work in. It's tougher on defense, and about the best you can hope for is that they can read the cards, follow the script and give you some semblance of what formations and plays will look like.
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