bison37
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Post by bison37 on Oct 30, 2014 12:21:57 GMT -6
I have heard some discussion about limited contact practices in some states.
Just looking into the limitations vs. benefits. Some coaches believe that the reps in practice are far greater in number than in a game, the risk of injury is actually greater at practice.
Does anyone currently use a non-contact practice schedule every day? Thoughts?
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Post by joelee on Oct 30, 2014 12:33:15 GMT -6
All I can say is read up on John Gagliardi.
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Post by blb on Oct 30, 2014 13:45:05 GMT -6
Most of our practices this Fall were non-contact, but not by design.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 31, 2014 5:04:34 GMT -6
I am afraid I wouldn't call BS on that BLB!!!
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Post by jlenwood on Oct 31, 2014 5:35:30 GMT -6
I have heard some discussion about limited contact practices in some states. Just looking into the limitations vs. benefits. Some coaches believe that the reps in practice are far greater in number than in a game, the risk of injury is actually greater at practice. Does anyone currently use a non-contact practice schedule every day? Thoughts? In my experience it seems that most of the smaller types of injuries that make you miss a game or two happen at practice, such as sprains, concussions twisted ankles and such. The major season ending injuries have happened in games, ie: major knee, broken bones etc. We have such low numbers that I try to keep my individual times away from full contact while some coaches on our staff have full, to the ground tackling during their indy time. Again, just very non scientific, but I have not had any of my position players on defense miss any game or practice time due to injury from indy, while some of the others have. I have had one corner roll his ankle pretty bad during team that caused him to miss a game, but that was due more to a shi##y practice feild. We have about 10 offensive and 10 defensive plays during team that we go full contact, and for some reason our ST coach wants full contact during all of his stuff. If I had a 2 platoon team with about 80 kids I would think about full contact during practice, but from my experience it isn't worth it and I don't think performance suffers on Friday because we go thud during the week.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 31, 2014 13:02:48 GMT -6
Lol. Almost spit my dip out when I read BLB comments. We are thud always till I get pissed at the scout team O for moving too slow. Then we go full
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Post by CoachBrownAZ on Oct 31, 2014 13:45:26 GMT -6
John Gagliardi is a tough act to copy. He recruits kids that know how to tackle already. Contact is a skill IMO just like anything else in football. You have to rep it to get better. I've never had the luxury to be at a school where we were good enough naturally to take a step back off of contact coaching. I've always been aggressive to contact.. quick whistle, nothing on legs, and no takedowns.
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bison37
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Post by bison37 on Nov 3, 2014 18:01:46 GMT -6
I have read a bit about John Gagliardi and he intrigued me. With all of his "no's" in his philosophy I wante dto see if anyone was actually able to replicate it at the HS level.
My initial reaction was that it wouldn't work. I like the idea of laying off on full tackle, but encouraging thud.
Thanks for your input!
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 3, 2014 20:01:08 GMT -6
I see a catch 22 with the idea of thud/no contact.
We suck big green slimy at tackling, but then again our kids aren't the 'football' type of athletes.... I.E. naturally tough, knock your dyck in the dirt type kids. It's nothing that I am acustome to being around. I fell like this hurst our kids because they don't know HOW to initiate contact. You alway risk getting kids hurt because this is a collision sport. We had a kid dislocate his knee in a controlled inside period/quick whistle period just because some kids got knocked off balance just as this kids was locked out taking on a base block -- freak accident.
***Nonpolitical statement coming*** I think the wussification of America is in play; kids can't wrestle on the play ground, dodge ball is a dirty word, tag isn't fair, swing sets are simply lawsuits waiting to happen..... is NOT letting learn kids how to fall down, avoid contact, cushion a blows. Kids don't know how to contra their bodies in potentially violent situations.
We don't have depth, and by that I mean that there is a HUGE drop off between our 1's and 2's, and we have 76 kids on varsity. I have coached in the lower divisions and have had 32 on varsity and you were scrambling to put the best 15-16 in 22 spots, BUT those kids were hard nosed, co<k strong kids that had been hitting and wrestling since they were in diapers. They type of kids that you never had to coach to roll their hips on contact -- they knew how to hit. We'd have the most gosh awful team periods where starters were laying out starters play after play, and they would just pop back up after they play and look forward to do it again. These were they type of kids that wanted to do 'Bull in the Ring' for a warm up......
I think you have to have a grasp on which end of the spectrum your kids fall. If your kids 'can do....' then you can afford to pull back. If your kids 'CAN'T do....' then you need to figure out what and how far you need to push the envelope.
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 3, 2014 20:03:37 GMT -6
sorry, I can't edit my post for errors in dame browser/school filter mode.....
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 3, 2014 21:48:59 GMT -6
a no contact practice or a no collision practice?
i mean, basketball is a contact sport. football is a collision sport.
semantics, of course, but when i hear "no contact" i think "don't touch the guy". could you go through an entire practice for an entire week without ever having any player touching another player... i.e. no contact?
to limit collisions (not limit contact) we do things like fit the blockers up then drive, thud, or do drills without a ball like run half-line pass hull with no ball (can't "tackle" the guy if he doesn't have a ball nor can you get the knock out blow on a receiver because the ball isn't thrown... if that's happening, you got turds playing anyway.)
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 4, 2014 5:35:08 GMT -6
I have scheduled, though short, some FULL live periods. The rest is thud. I can't imagine not doing them. If my REAL players get dinged, I have no problem keeping them out. They will still hit when game time happens. My thought is the heavier contact periods bring the borderline hitters up a level, at least that's the goal.
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Post by WTR on Nov 4, 2014 10:05:53 GMT -6
I think in the next 5-10 years you're going to see a number of states go to no contact during the week or really limit how many days you can go full contact. Everything the NFL and NCAA do trickles down, just takes time.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 4, 2014 10:08:56 GMT -6
I think in the next 5-10 years you're going to see a number of states go to no contact during the week or really limit how many days you can go full contact. Everything the NFL and NCAA do trickles down, just takes time. Would be interested to see if the number of catastrophic injuries INCREASE due to this.
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Post by WTR on Nov 5, 2014 8:14:48 GMT -6
I think in the next 5-10 years you're going to see a number of states go to no contact during the week or really limit how many days you can go full contact. Everything the NFL and NCAA do trickles down, just takes time. Would be interested to see if the number of catastrophic injuries INCREASE due to this. No doubt. It seems injuries have gone up since the NFLs new CBA went into place with all these changes.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 12, 2014 8:20:08 GMT -6
We haven't had too many limited contact practices, but I insist on a no-helmet walk through period at least once a week for my defense. We walk, pause, and discuss how we will fit and key each base formation and major run plays. We don't use a ball. It really helps me see quickly who knows/ reads/ trusts their keys and who's playing peek-a-boo into the backfield. It's been great for us that benefits way more than running an extra 20 plays live and not fitting correctly.
Note: we have a small staff, sometimes I am the only coach watching the entire defense, we rarely have someone available to film practices. I insisted on these sessions as a "discount double check" for me each week.
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