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Post by vincelombardi on Jan 29, 2015 22:20:57 GMT -6
This weekend team "Canada" (these three teams are made up of a provincial team 2 being Ontario and 1 being Alberta)plays team USA in u-15 u-16 u-17 I believe u-18 is kids from across Canada and there is team USA vs team world. I was wondering if anyone has any players that are on these teams? Or knows any coaches coaching these teams? I'm interested to know if anyone knows how the try outs work to make these teams for USA
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 29, 2015 22:38:15 GMT -6
For U-19 there are no tryouts, it's by invitation. Not great system since most of those players have been red shirting. Three of our guys were invited but turned it down because it's not good value, very expensive trip for not much in return. u-18 is a bit better because those guys have been playing high school and were recently at Canada cup. It's still not a very good selection system but it's the best there is. Unfortunately football just isn't really conducive to this sort of tournament. Our strength coach is also the football Canada strength coach.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 29, 2015 23:52:04 GMT -6
We have a player in it this week
He's a sophomore
He played JV football last year
We have a number of players better than him
The difference?
His mom paid whatever the cost was so he gets to Go lol
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 30, 2015 0:50:13 GMT -6
We have a player in it this week He's a sophomore He played JV football last year We have a number of players better than him The difference? His mom paid whatever the cost was so he gets to Go lol What dud said. Except it's a frosh...going to play JV. Only came into games late in the game...if at all. But Facebook is telling me how awesome he is. I'm SingMH |
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Post by natenator on Jan 30, 2015 3:52:21 GMT -6
We have a player in it in it week He's a sophomore He played JV football last year We have a number of have players better than him The difference? His mom paid whatever the cost was so he gets to Go lol Same. Have a player on the U-18 team. He's a good player but we definitely against better. Just so happens his parents can easily afford the fees. have problem with the selection of these teams |
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Post by vincelombardi on Jan 30, 2015 10:33:47 GMT -6
Same thing in ontario. A lot of players from southern Ontario try out for these things cost is a big factor.
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Post by natenator on Jan 30, 2015 11:13:58 GMT -6
My personal opinion is that there should be a certain number of positions held for players who can make these teams but lack the financial means to play.
Right now it's pay to play. I wonder how many currently on the team could actually make the team if the cost was $100?
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 30, 2015 11:50:25 GMT -6
Heck...why drop the fees? A lot of the parents "want the best" for their kid so they pay. You think USA football actually wants the best of the best there? They want the best of the "who can pay the most" there.
Last year...our Jr. receiver was told by a USA football coach he was one of the top 50 receivers in the country. I don't think he was a top 50 receiver in our section. That bugs me that they would say that kind of stuff.
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Post by Coach.A on Jan 30, 2015 13:19:58 GMT -6
Same thing in ontario. A lot of players from southern Ontario try out for these things cost is a big factor. Agree. On top of the high costs, the limited try-out locations prevents many top players from trying out. How many parents are willing to book off work, sometimes fly or drive 8+ hours both ways, get a hotel, pay for gas, etc. Just so that their kid might get a shot to make a team that requires them to pay thousands of dollars to play in just 1 game. That being said, we got a kid playing for the U19 team that was "invite only". He's a legit player and top recruit. |
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Post by vincelombardi on Jan 30, 2015 18:37:15 GMT -6
My personal opinion is that there should be a certain number of positions held for players who can make these teams but lack the financial means to play. Right now it's pay to play. I wonder how many currently on the team could actually make the team if the cost was $100? I know our organization will help support the players that make the team and pay for a small amount of the fee to go to these types of things. Still doesn't help the Jimmies and Joes who's parents still can't afford to pay 500-700 to summer football plus 1000 these teams cost that they want to play. |
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Post by 42falcon on Jan 30, 2015 21:40:57 GMT -6
We have a kid on the u16 team LB Will Kuyvenhoven. Was our best defensive player on our SR team.
He's legit.
In terms of coaches selection I know one guy who's a coach on the U18 team he coaches in our league was a CIS guy as well. Football Alberta has an application process for it's coaches then they pick those guys are around for 3 years then get replaced.
The whole Allstar thing is a little hit & miss cool event for everyone involved though.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 30, 2015 23:01:36 GMT -6
Good points. It's not that they're not good players, just that the selection process is deeply flawed and the final roster is heavily driven by cost.
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Post by Coach.A on Jan 31, 2015 18:01:47 GMT -6
Team Canada beat Team USA in the U18 game. Final score was 25-9. Video here:
I know some of us are saying that Team Canada doesn't have the absolute best of the best on their team, but when I look at the U18 roster it is full of many of our top players. I watched most of these kids in the Canada Cup last summer. We play against most of the Ontario kids in our summer league.
Not trying to take anything away from Team Canada, but team USA clearly doesn't have anywhere near their best players on the field. That is confirmed by some of the responses on this thread. Still this is a big win for Football Canada.
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Post by natenator on Jan 31, 2015 19:54:55 GMT -6
Think the U-17 team Canada (ontario) is going to be out classed in this game but we'll see
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Post by 42falcon on Jan 31, 2015 20:54:36 GMT -6
I am not sure how organized Football USA is in terms of the importance of these events in the development of their talent pool. It seems like High Schools are positioned to be able to do a good enough job in terms of developing their talent and the competition opportunities are more readily available and higher caliber than say what we can find across the country.
I look at YYC and Alberta. In our city there are 20+ teams playing football in 3 divisions in our specific 6 team division (Division 1 / Tier 1 Provincially school size of 1250+) we are clearly the worst of the lot. But within our Cities 20+ teams we are one of the top 6 easily. In our division the top 3 teams are clearly heads and tails ahead of everyone else, these are your all-star type teams. Most of the Team Canada Alberta kids come from 1-2 of those top teams. I look at ND and St Francis our top 2 schools and they had 2 great games all year both against one another. The rest of their games were all blowouts by 35+ points. Even when they play against the rest of the Provinces "best" it is a non contest in many cases. The last 3 years we have sent 3 teams to Provincial play and one year we had 2 teams from YYC in the Provincial Final. So when you get a super team it is pretty hard for you to get adequate competition.
I look at our own league rules / structure. There is no 7v7, black out dates that are truly black out dates not dates that allow you to do a little here and there.
My guess is in the USA a top 5A school gets more than 1 "good" game year.
So when it comes time to send your best to a tryout camp, my guess is that most USA high school programs say OK great sounds like fun, but it is not a big deal. Here in Alberta I literally send almost all of my G11's and many of my G10's to the U18 Team Alberta try-outs, maybe 1-3 of them make it but we send 20 of them.
So I guess yeah it is a bigger deal for us. I would love to hear what some of these guys that have coached at big time programs in the USA think of this event?
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Post by fantom on Jan 31, 2015 21:51:01 GMT -6
I am not sure how organized Football USA is in terms of the importance of these events in the development of their talent pool. It seems like High Schools are positioned to be able to do a good enough job in terms of developing their talent and the competition opportunities are more readily available and higher caliber than say what we can find across the country. I look at YYC and Alberta. In our city there are 20+ teams playing football in 3 divisions in our specific 6 team division (Division 1 / Tier 1 Provincially school size of 1250+) we are clearly the worst of the lot. But within our Cities 20+ teams we are one of the top 6 easily. In our division the top 3 teams are clearly heads and tails ahead of everyone else, these are your all-star type teams. Most of the Team Canada Alberta kids come from 1-2 of those top teams. I look at ND and St Francis our top 2 schools and they had 2 great games all year both against one another. The rest of their games were all blowouts by 35+ points. Even when they play against the rest of the Provinces "best" it is a non contest in many cases. The last 3 years we have sent 3 teams to Provincial play and one year we had 2 teams from YYC in the Provincial Final. So when you get a super team it is pretty hard for you to get adequate competition. I look at our own league rules / structure. There is no 7v7, black out dates that are truly black out dates not dates that allow you to do a little here and there. My guess is in the USA a top 5A school gets more than 1 "good" game year. So when it comes time to send your best to a tryout camp, my guess is that most USA high school programs say OK great sounds like fun, but it is not a big deal. Here in Alberta I literally send almost all of my G11's and many of my G10's to the U18 Team Alberta try-outs, maybe 1-3 of them make it but we send 20 of them. So I guess yeah it is a bigger deal for us. I would love to hear what some of these guys that have coached at big time programs in the USA think of this event? Big time? Naw but I've done this for a long time and we do play at a pretty high level. To be honest, until it was mentioned here I'd never heard of this event. |
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 2, 2015 21:48:19 GMT -6
Well my kid came back today
According to him he tore it up with 8 catches
He showed me one highlight of a peel back block on someone and I will admit he leveled a kid
Haven't seen the receptions yet
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