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Post by nltdiego on Feb 25, 2015 18:10:29 GMT -6
It seems football is only sport in our school that doesn't cut. I always get 1-2 kids who have a serious injury in summer and want to be on team BUT have a season ending injury which has them standing around all year.
Does anybody have this type of kid and problem? Do you cut?
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Post by fantom on Feb 25, 2015 18:15:13 GMT -6
It seems football is only sport in our school that doesn't cut. I always get 1-2 kids who have a serious injury in summer and want to be on team BUT have a season ending injury which has them standing around all year. Does anybody have this type of kid and problem? Do you cut? I don't think that I understand why you'd cut an injured kid. Who are they hurting? If they can't play put them to work doing something. |
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Post by tmccullo on Feb 25, 2015 19:38:08 GMT -6
We NEVER cut. We had a good size O lineman break his neck during the summer and could not play again. We put him on the film crew so he could be involved. The more kids you involved and keep around the more want to be involved. Eventually those who don't get a lot of play time will eliminate themselves. But we rarely even lose seniors who are so bad they just stand on the sideline all season holding a helmet. Perhaps the day will come when we are winning 70-0 and they will get a chance to play.
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Post by captainken on Feb 25, 2015 19:46:55 GMT -6
Why would u cut a kid who just wants to be around the team?
We always need filmers for practice?
equipment helpers?
ive had kids before like this. The dedicated ones stick it out and are very supportive. The other kids disappear on their own.
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 25, 2015 20:03:19 GMT -6
Male population in out school is no more than 150 in for grades, we project to have surgery l anywhere between 35 and 40 on our roster, so to answer the OPs question:
No, hell no...
We had a kid last year (and will for probably another 2 years) who caused ALOT of unnecessary drama, enough that we probably could have easily sent him packing, but we needed him for numbers on our scout team, so we gritted our teeth and kept him.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 25, 2015 20:10:46 GMT -6
We only cut if a kid is a cancer. That's it.
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Post by coachirish on Feb 25, 2015 20:36:51 GMT -6
We only cut if a kid is a cancer. That's it. Bingo. Same here. Weve never cut nor have I heard of or known of others who have. |
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Post by spreadpowero on Feb 26, 2015 10:10:38 GMT -6
We never cut a player.
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 26, 2015 10:35:12 GMT -6
One of the middle schools in the county where I used to coached cuts because they don't have enough equipment. One of the guys they cut as a 7th grader has started at UGA since he was a freshman and cleaned 400 in high school. He will get drafted next year. He started almost every game for us when he got to the high school. What if he had gotten discouraged and didnt come back out the next year?
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Post by blb on Feb 26, 2015 10:41:14 GMT -6
We would only "cut" a kid if he demonstrates that he cannot protect himself on the field, then try to get him to stay in program as a manager or other support role.
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2015 10:55:47 GMT -6
To me there's a difference between "cutting" and "dismissing". If you throw a kid off of the team for behavior reasons that's "dismissing". "Cutting" means that you cant keep a kid because he's not a good enough player, either because he's in physical danger or because your roster size is limited. We may use the terms interchangeably but there's a difference.
So, do we dismiss? Probably one or two a year. Do we cut? No.
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 26, 2015 11:11:16 GMT -6
We would only "cut" a kid if he demonstrates that he cannot protect himself on the field, then try to get him to stay in program as a manager or other support role. I've seen kids like this who just refuse and are adamant about playing, what do you guys do in that case? Get parents involved? |
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Post by blb on Feb 26, 2015 11:19:09 GMT -6
We would only "cut" a kid if he demonstrates that he cannot protect himself on the field, then try to get him to stay in program as a manager or other support role. I've seen kids like this who just refuse and are adamant about playing, what do you guys do in that case? Get parents involved?
Yes, would anyway.
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2015 11:21:30 GMT -6
We would only "cut" a kid if he demonstrates that he cannot protect himself on the field, then try to get him to stay in program as a manager or other support role. I've seen kids like this who just refuse and are adamant about playing, what do you guys do in that case? Get parents involved? We take his equipment. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 26, 2015 12:34:15 GMT -6
It seems football is only sport in our school that doesn't cut. I always get 1-2 kids who have a serious injury in summer and want to be on team BUT have a season ending injury which has them standing around all year. Does anybody have this type of kid and problem? Do you cut? No we don't cut. If we can put helmets and pads on them they can be part of the program. They may not play at all, but we don't cut in/pre-season. Now I am cutting kids this spring- upper classmen that have pulled the ol' Houdini disappearing act on me and not played a sport nor were in the weight room AND did not contact me. They will not be issued equipment. In your example I would HIGHLY recommend not cutting them. They become your assistants- ball guys, cone guys, H2O guys etc... They fall under the same scrutiny as the players though- miss a practice and we've got a problem. As fantom said I dismiss plenty, cut none... |
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Post by bruinfb on Feb 26, 2015 12:47:20 GMT -6
We do not cut players and have not for a long time.
There were a couple of years in which we did cut ( I was not the head coach), and that was because we were getting 130-140 coming out and only had 5 coaches. When we did it, we never cut freshmen, and only rarely did we cut sophomores.
Personally, I do not like cutting guys. I like to have as many around as possible. I think that the nature of football makes it so that numbers are an advantage. There are 22 "starting positions" and that's not counting special teams, guys get injured, there are a lot of specialized positions, its a physical game, you can sub in whenever you want. In the other sports numbers may not be as much of an advantage, and perhaps a hindrance.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 26, 2015 13:20:21 GMT -6
No. I would never cut.
Here is is not practical.
If I were at a huge 6A school I still wouldn't cut.
What if that kid grows 4" and hits the wts? Now he's playing soccer instead of helping us.
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 26, 2015 14:33:59 GMT -6
Have never cut a kid. They do that themselves...
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Post by mhcoach on Feb 26, 2015 14:46:55 GMT -6
I coach at a large 8A school in Florida. We don't cut anyone. Now we will dismiss a player, we have set rules everyone is made well aware of the rules. We have contracts for players & parents. If a player follows the rules he will get to wear a uniform.
Currently we have an Autistic boy who has tried out for every athletic team at the school. He has been cut from every team, we won't cut him. He can be a handful, but as long as he will be able to defend himself on the field we will carry him.
Joe
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Feb 27, 2015 20:16:54 GMT -6
Sorry to hijack thread
But mh
Do u guys still have athletic periods in Florida?
A buddy of mine said he heard they went to all after school athletics,
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Post by fantom on Feb 27, 2015 21:13:53 GMT -6
Sorry to hijack thread But mh Do u guys still have athletic periods in Florida? A buddy of mine said he heard they went to all after school athletics, If you don't want to hijack the thread then don't. Start a new thread. |
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 27, 2015 21:30:10 GMT -6
I coach at a large 8A school in Florida. We don't cut anyone. Now we will dismiss a player, we have set rules everyone is made well aware of the rules. We have contracts for players & parents. If a player follows the rules he will get to wear a uniform. Currently we have an Autistic boy who has tried out for every athletic team at the school. He has been cut from every team, we won't cut him. He can be a handful, but as long as he will be able to defend himself on the field we will carry him. Joe Coach, your player with Autism. (sorry, I'm married to a special needs teacher, so people first language has become second nature) is another great reason not to cut. I've coached two student-athletes who are students with autism and not only are they getting a TON of social skills that they typically badly needed, but I think ate a great benefit to the rest of a team because the guys learn to feel empathy, not to feel sorry for, but to recognize that they have been blessed and that this game is about more than winning and losing. |
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 27, 2015 23:52:11 GMT -6
I agree 100%
Had a young man transfer to us as a senior from another school.. could tell with in a week of summer workouts something just was not right.. He was a special ed/autism.. He worked out with us and came to practice every day.. He worked hard, was never a discipline problem.. Gave 100% effort.. Worked hard... No way I would cut a kid like this.. He actually played some special teams for us..
From a coaches perspective when we honored him at our banquet.. His parents both came up to me basically in tears.. Thanking our football staff for everything we did for their son.. Accepting him, allowing him the opportunity to play for us, be apart of a great team (We went 11-3 his senior year and the state semifinals).
I can not tell you how thankful they were. I have no problem keeping players in our program who work hard and are good kids who give us their best effort.. Who want to be apart of it... I will never cut them.. We want those kids.. I do not care if we have to pay for their jersey or uniform.. I will never cut a good kid who wants to succeed.
The kids with a poor attitude, poor behavior, grades... etc.. they are the kids that I have little or no patience with...
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Post by mhcoach on Feb 28, 2015 7:56:42 GMT -6
That is the reason Football is unlike any other sport. We actually care about our community & those involved. I am fortunate to be at a place that works this way.
Run
We still have 5th period & I know a few 8A's that actually have 2 periods during the season.
Joe
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Post by bluboy on Feb 28, 2015 15:21:09 GMT -6
We don't cut anyone. Kids cut themselves. This year we had 95 kids in grades 10-12 and 45 kids in grade 9. We have a frosh, soph, JV and Varsity schedule. Everyone gets a chance to play.
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 28, 2015 16:41:08 GMT -6
I have always been kind of curious as to the opposite question; why DO some sports cut? I have never coached any other sport, so I really don't know.
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Post by fantom on Feb 28, 2015 16:45:33 GMT -6
I have always been kind of curious as to the opposite question; why DO some sports cut? I have never coached any other sport, so I really don't know. Numbers. You couldn't even attempt to dress every kid in the school who thinks that he can play basketball. |
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 28, 2015 20:23:42 GMT -6
I have always been kind of curious as to the opposite question; why DO some sports cut? I have never coached any other sport, so I really don't know. Numbers. You couldn't even attempt to dress every kid in the school who thinks that he can play basketball. That's true, you couldn't dress all of them. I guess my approach would be to let them practice and only dress out my roster, let them "cut" themselves if they wanted to. Practices would get insane though. I'll just stick to football... |
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Post by piratefootball on Mar 1, 2015 9:36:39 GMT -6
We only cut seniors coming out for the first time or that did not finish with the team as a junior (he quit or was dismissed). We only cut these players if we don't see them being a contributor (on offense, defense, special teams or scout player). In the spring we tell all of those kids that they may be cut as soon as football starts in August so they are fully aware and we remind them in the summer as they will put in lots of time. The reality is that if the kid is a great kid that works hard and isn't a discipline issue, we keep him. This policy gives us a way to cut kids that were dismissed and hasn't fixed his behaviors and the 1st timers that will take up reps and won't play (because he is really bad or just can't learn what we are doing).
We are a big school so we platoon so lots of players that start on one side of the ball, are immediate backups, or talented younger players not ready to play varsity O or D play most of our special teams so we dont have spots for those guys and just found lots of guys coming out for 1 year.
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Post by tmccullo on Mar 2, 2015 8:57:58 GMT -6
To me there's a difference between "cutting" and "dismissing". If you throw a kid off of the team for behavior reasons that's "dismissing". "Cutting" means that you cant keep a kid because he's not a good enough player, either because he's in physical danger or because your roster size is limited. We may use the terms interchangeably but there's a difference. So, do we dismiss? Probably one or two a year. Do we cut? No. Agreed! We just dismissed two because of discipline issues in the school and community. |
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