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Post by breakerdog on Feb 26, 2015 13:05:43 GMT -6
I know most of us had Coach Lights website as a great source of film and breakdowns. Auburn U has threatened him with legal action and he has pulled it down.
Check out Coach Lights twitter feed for all the gory details.
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 26, 2015 13:07:31 GMT -6
it happened while I was looking at it last night. All of a sudden it was private in the middle of a video. That really sucks bad. I was watching it every night.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 26, 2015 13:12:55 GMT -6
THAT STINKS!!! That site was UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
I noticed earlier in the week the All 22 films had been pulled... Man that really does stink!!
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 26, 2015 13:16:27 GMT -6
I just choked on my donut reading this.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 26, 2015 13:18:17 GMT -6
No! Damn them!
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 26, 2015 14:09:36 GMT -6
I dont really get it. Auburn runs like 4 plays that everybody else runs too. Theres not really any secrets. Are they going to sue ESPN because they do the spider cam?
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2015 14:28:16 GMT -6
This is the first that I've ever heard of this site. To the guys who are sad to see it go, you had to know that this day was coming eventually. Auburn is wearing the black hat here but if it wasn't them it would have been somebody else. The fact is that Light was sharing stuff that wasn't his to give away.
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Post by breakerdog on Feb 26, 2015 15:19:29 GMT -6
This is the first that I've ever heard of this site. To the guys who are sad to see it go, you had to know that this day was coming eventually. Auburn is wearing the black hat here but if it wasn't them it would have been somebody else. The fact is that Light was sharing stuff that wasn't his to give away. There are probably lots of grey area legal issues on both sides of this. I question whether the film is actually university property. There is similar stuff all over YouTube and Vimeo. He was simply gathering it together in a single accessible spot and blogging about it. My common sense standpoint is that this site was hosting film cuts of games that were played in public. The film was either purchased, given or traded to him. He wasn't profiting from this. There was no competitive advantage being taken away or gained by this. All Auburns (or any other team) rivals already has film and more. No team or organization was presented in a bad light. It is a very niche market (football coaches) and not taking away from any $$ gained by the NCAA or the schools. I would think that teams would want to encourage this rather than beat it down.
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Post by saltfork on Feb 26, 2015 15:34:32 GMT -6
I would like all the tcu clinic videos, if they're online somewhere else can we link them? Scribd, Google drive? Really would like to locate them.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 26, 2015 15:47:06 GMT -6
I was literally watching it one minute and then poof it was gone when I cam e back from doing something and had to refresh the screen. it does suck
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2015 15:48:05 GMT -6
This is the first that I've ever heard of this site. To the guys who are sad to see it go, you had to know that this day was coming eventually. Auburn is wearing the black hat here but if it wasn't them it would have been somebody else. The fact is that Light was sharing stuff that wasn't his to give away. There are probably lots of grey area legal issues on both sides of this. I question whether the film is actually university property. There is similar stuff all over YouTube and Vimeo. He was simply gathering it together in a single accessible spot and blogging about it. My common sense standpoint is that this site was hosting film cuts of games that were played in public. The film was either purchased, given or traded to him. He wasn't profiting from this. There was no competitive advantage being taken away or gained by this. All Auburns (or any other team) rivals already has film and more. No team or organization was presented in a bad light. It is a very niche market (football coaches) and not taking away from any $$ gained by the NCAA or the schools. I would think that teams would want to encourage this rather than beat it down. Years ago, before the internet, it was possible to get stuff like game film, cutups, and even playbooks pretty easily. Some college coaches would send you a DVD even if they didn't know you well. The internet sharing culture dried that up. Coaches got tired of seeing stuff that they gave away getting posted online. Maybe it's paranoid but it is their right. It's their stuff. The last few times that I got anything other than drill tapes it was only from somebody who I knew pretty well and only that they mentioned that they didn't expect to see it travelling around. One of my best friends coaches at a D.1 school. He can't give me tape. They have a hard rule that nothing leaves the building anymore. If you visit, they're welcoming. They'll talk to you and let you watch tape but you can't take anything home. That's been the rule at every place that I've visited lately. So, whoever first acquired those game tapes should have known that there was at least an implied promise that it was for their use only. If I gave somebody something then saw it online I'd consider it a breach of trust.
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Post by breakerdog on Feb 26, 2015 16:17:50 GMT -6
There are probably lots of grey area legal issues on both sides of this. I question whether the film is actually university property. There is similar stuff all over YouTube and Vimeo. He was simply gathering it together in a single accessible spot and blogging about it. My common sense standpoint is that this site was hosting film cuts of games that were played in public. The film was either purchased, given or traded to him. He wasn't profiting from this. There was no competitive advantage being taken away or gained by this. All Auburns (or any other team) rivals already has film and more. No team or organization was presented in a bad light. It is a very niche market (football coaches) and not taking away from any $$ gained by the NCAA or the schools. I would think that teams would want to encourage this rather than beat it down. Years ago, before the internet, it was possible to get stuff like game film, cutups, and even playbooks pretty easily. Some college coaches would send you a DVD even if they didn't know you well. The internet sharing culture dried that up. Coaches got tired of seeing stuff that they gave away getting posted online. Maybe it's paranoid but it is their right. It's their stuff. The last few times that I got anything other than drill rapes it was only from somebody who I knew pretty well and only that they mentioned that they didn't expect to see it travelling around. One of my best friends coaches at a D.1 school. He can't give me tape. They have a hard rule that nothing leaves the building anymore. If you visit, they're welcoming. They'll talk to you and let you watch tape but you can't take anything home. That's been the rule at every place that I've visited lately. So, whoever first acquired those game tapes should have known that there was at least an implied promise that it was for their use only. If I gave somebody something then saw it online I'd consider it a breach of trust. Thanks for the response. My question is why? Why does BigPowerSchool care if their All 22 cut ups are on the web somewhere? What can possibly happen that will hurt their program either from a scheme standpoint or a financial one. The benefits are obvious to me, better coaches at the lower levels equals better recruits. Fans generally don't care about 2 year old game film. Opponents already have better information that anything you could post.
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Post by johnny96 on Feb 26, 2015 16:22:28 GMT -6
I just don't understand this. The only people this hurts are HS and small college coaches. That site is only used for educational purposes. It's not like someone is going to watch it and post a top secret code on how to melt Auburn's face on Huey
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 26, 2015 16:30:19 GMT -6
All of their opponents have full access to this film. What are they worried about? Can Auburn somehow profit from their All 22 film? Just trying to figure why they care?
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2015 16:36:36 GMT -6
Years ago, before the internet, it was possible to get stuff like game film, cutups, and even playbooks pretty easily. Some college coaches would send you a DVD even if they didn't know you well. The internet sharing culture dried that up. Coaches got tired of seeing stuff that they gave away getting posted online. Maybe it's paranoid but it is their right. It's their stuff. The last few times that I got anything other than drill rapes it was only from somebody who I knew pretty well and only that they mentioned that they didn't expect to see it travelling around. One of my best friends coaches at a D.1 school. He can't give me tape. They have a hard rule that nothing leaves the building anymore. If you visit, they're welcoming. They'll talk to you and let you watch tape but you can't take anything home. That's been the rule at every place that I've visited lately. So, whoever first acquired those game tapes should have known that there was at least an implied promise that it was for their use only. If I gave somebody something then saw it online I'd consider it a breach of trust. Thanks for the response. My question is why? Why does BigPowerSchool care if their All 22 cut ups are on the web somewhere? What can possibly happen that will hurt their program either from a scheme standpoint or a financial one. The benefits are obvious to me, better coaches at the lower levels equals better recruits. Fans generally don't care about 2 year old game film. Opponents already have better information that anything you could post. It's their's and was posted without permission. What's their benefit? Better coaching equals better recruits? Naw, that's a function of genetics rather than HS coaching. Opponents already have all that info? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure that Alabama has a full library of Auburn tape but maybe Louisville doesn't. Even if it is paranoid, it's their stuff and they have the right yo be paranoid with it.
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Post by blue22 on Feb 26, 2015 16:37:51 GMT -6
His site was awesome!! It was like going to a clinic every time I checked it out.
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2015 16:50:40 GMT -6
BTW, let me make it clear that I don't think there was anything morally wrong with the site. Hell, I would have watched it too if I'd known about it. I'm just saying that I don't see Auburn as a bad guy in this (and I'm not an Auburn fan).
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 26, 2015 16:57:56 GMT -6
Anybody who has a DVR has film on Auburn. I know Jim personally, and he's a guy of high character. I don't think Auburn had much legal ground because of fair use laws and all that. Jim doesn't have the wealth to combat a university with unlimited funding though.
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2015 17:00:26 GMT -6
Anybody who has a DVR has film on Auburn. I know Jim personally, and he's a guy of high character. I don't think Auburn had much legal ground because of fair use laws and all that. Jim doesn't have the wealth to combat a university with unlimited funding though. Can you DVR an all-22?
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Post by breakerdog on Feb 26, 2015 17:10:21 GMT -6
Anybody who has a DVR has film on Auburn. I know Jim personally, and he's a guy of high character. I don't think Auburn had much legal ground because of fair use laws and all that. Jim doesn't have the wealth to combat a university with unlimited funding though. For sure. I completely agree with this. I would do the same. Not worth the hassle or risk for something that is a labor of love and costs money out of your own pocket. Pretty hard to explain that to the wife when you have to pay lawyer bills. Nothing but respect and thanks for Coach Light for his work.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 26, 2015 17:21:35 GMT -6
I would like all the tcu clinic videos, if they're online somewhere else can we link them? Scribd, Google drive? Really would like to locate them. If you're talking about the Chad Glasgow ones, pretty sure those are TFS property, for what it's worth. When I first saw his site, my first instinct was "This isn't going to last." It's unfortunate, but I don't really feel the outrage that some of you guys are showing.
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Post by 4verts on Feb 26, 2015 19:57:22 GMT -6
You have to scan your eye to get into the hallway of the Auburn coaching staff in their building. I can certainly see them not liking their film online. Think you would be paranoid if millions were at stake for you?
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bookoo23
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Post by bookoo23 on Feb 26, 2015 20:44:24 GMT -6
I was on there all this week, I wasn't finished with the Patriots Y Stick
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Post by CoachWeitz on Feb 27, 2015 7:22:42 GMT -6
Great website, some incredible stuff on there but yes it was only a matter of time. My only question would be is there a way to circumvent (word of the day calendar) this and create a private playlist of the material that could be shared out? I figure if it wasn't public access there'd be a much better shot of it lasting. Anyone good enough with computers to know how to do that?
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Post by oriolepower on Feb 27, 2015 7:44:46 GMT -6
I share film with our staff and few other coaches by simply having an unlisted YouTube link. I copy clinic videos that I buy and then I can also watch it anywhere. No one can find the video unless they have the specific link.
You can also do like Tim Murphy has started doing and put everything on Vimeo and sell login information. There are a lot of different ways to protect video online.
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Post by eagle zipper hero on Feb 27, 2015 7:58:00 GMT -6
Yes, there is a way to download videos online. There are tutorials on how to do it on youtube.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 27, 2015 8:42:14 GMT -6
I share film with our staff and few other coaches by simply having an unlisted YouTube link. I copy clinic videos that I buy and then I can also watch it anywhere. No one can find the video unless they have the specific link. You can also do like Tim Murphy has started doing and put everything on Vimeo and sell login information. There are a lot of different ways to protect video online. If he'd been selling the film outright, I think this would've gone a lot worse for him, tbh. As far as film being secure on Vimeo, that's not true. Pretty easy to download a program to rip videos off of that service.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Feb 27, 2015 9:01:16 GMT -6
What a shame I had just started looking at the site last week. What r they going to do with the lifeafterfootball site? Lots of auburn stuff on there too
D1 I think have to sell any info they present at a clinic, nothing free. I was at a clinic the other day and it was 5 bucks a DVD and handout.
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Post by spreadattack on Feb 27, 2015 9:11:13 GMT -6
James Light is a good guy and I think he was doing good work with his site, but the reality is I saw a lot of stuff on that site which had been shared with me by others only on the promise that I not share it. Right or wrong, there was bound to be blow-back.
Now, eventually the networks/conferences might do something like what the NFL has done with all-22, but for now all of that stuff is intellectual property they own. This is one reason why with my site and works I always try to be sure to "transform" the work into something original -- an article, a video clip that isn't just someone else's video, etc -- because then it becomes an original work and not just posting something owned by someone else.
There are good questions asked when people point out that there's something weird about the fact that the public (coaches, fans, etc) don't get to watch the film but their opponents do, but that's also their prerogative with video, materials, etc owned by someone else.
I have always tried to be very careful with my work that I don't publish things that could be seen by the coaches themselves as competitively hurting them, or even a gray area. It's not worth it. And I can say I've had blowback from coaches who confused what I do with what some of the more recent sites have done with just dumping information on the internet wholesale, and I had to point out I don't do that and they softened up (and then shared info). I'm not saying this is a good way to be but it is reality.
Information travels a lot faster on the internet now, but it's also still a game built on relationships and trust (not to mention a little paranoia). And keep in mind too that if the conferences/schools decide to put the all-22 out there they still won't want websites publishing it elsewhere, because they will want you to pay for it.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Mar 1, 2015 20:59:00 GMT -6
Life after football site temporarily shut down too With all game film removed The guy just released an inside the auburn offense book
And last year charted their plays Average was 15 seconds between plays with fastest being 9 sec...
It's a good site
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