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Post by coachbdud on Apr 12, 2015 18:00:06 GMT -6
I would like some advice/tips for those of you who have had one staff coach both the varsity and JV levels
we have about 8 varsity coaches, a few JV...
we will probably have about 40 on each level
do you do same things together? go opposite and split staff in half?
just curious as to how others have managed to coach both varsity and JV at the same time
if it matters, we play JV games right before the varsity game on fridays, and players can't play at both levels in the same week
Thanks,
B Dud
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 12, 2015 18:36:29 GMT -6
Program I was a part of did this when I first started coaching.
Basically, every coach only coached 1 position: OL, RB, WR, etc. JV would go to O positions indy, Varsity would go to D positions. I believe they would do some group work and then they would then switch and practice their other position. After that there might be some group time again and eventually they'd split off into JV and Varsity team time. The JV staff would be 2 O coaches and 2 D coaches and they'd really coach them more as a unit in team time. Varsity staff was a bit more typical because I wanna say there were 2 O and 2 D coaches plus HC/OC and DC.
That's what I remember, I was part of the black sheep frosh staff and it was 10 years ago.
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Post by realdawg on Apr 12, 2015 19:53:18 GMT -6
We do it, and its the only way any staff Ive ever been on has done it. Coaches on coach on one side of the ball. For example, I'm DC and LB coach, so I coach that for both varsity and JV. While varsity practices offense, JV practices defense and vice versa. That part is really quiet simple. Now with the JV playing right before the varsity, IDK how that will go, we play our JV games on Thursday nights. Off the top of my head, HC and coordinators stay with varsity team during JV game, everyone else coaches JV. Gonna be a long tiring night for those guys though.
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Post by veerman on Apr 12, 2015 19:59:10 GMT -6
Every staff I have been a part of has done both as well. We coach all our kids except freshman right now. Have been at places ehere you coach everyone. With JV it was no different in varsity.
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 12, 2015 20:19:12 GMT -6
We are a two platoon team so each coach has one position.
Varsity players go one way. So if they are a DT they are only going to be with the defensive line coach. JV and Frosh go both ways. (We do this for number purposes and to really evaluate where they are going to end up by the time they reach the varsity). So on Mondays JV's are on defense and Frosh are on Offense. Tuesday they flip.
The Frosh and JV will run through indies and the entire practice with us. They will only off on their own when we do team. They will then scrimmage each other.
Honestly I really like it this way, we use to have the freshman be totally separate and they would be clueless by the time they reached they reached me. It was essentially getting a bunch of sophomore transfers. This way they learn the same drills, technique and verbage that each coach uses.
The one thing we stress is Sophomores are the only "upperclassmen" than can go live against the frosh. So if we are doing tackling drills the players are well aware and we will never have a junior or senior taking on a freshman in any significant way.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 13, 2015 5:48:39 GMT -6
We have 6 paid coaches total. All are varsity coaches, but 2 are assigned to coach JV games and 2 are assigned Freshmen games.
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Post by coachg125 on Apr 13, 2015 6:15:54 GMT -6
Not sure I would like the back-to-back as a coach if I had to coach in both. I get pissed at the JV game, that probably is carrying over. Especially if refs do both games and are horrible.
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 13, 2015 6:31:40 GMT -6
method for if you play both sides of the ball:
each coach is assigned one position... i.e. a QB coach; a DB coach; an OL coach, etc.
when the varsity is practicing offense with the offensive coaches the JV practicing defense with the defensive coaches.
halfway through, switch
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Post by hsrose on Apr 13, 2015 7:17:31 GMT -6
This offense-defense split is what we are doing this year, trying to help make the changes necessary to get the program back to winning some games. We don't have the numbers to platoon the players so we are platooning the coaches. Each coach has a position group and they are responsible for that group at all levels. We have 8, maybe 9, coaches in the program and will have 35 or so players on each level, varsity and JV. The days will not be split so the defense has their players for the full practice session. The DC/OC plans the details of the practice based on the time the HC sets. Each side will do the special teams for their side. During the season the varsity will be doing D on M & W, O on T. JV is just opposite.
The coaches and players seem to like the idea so far, they are buying in. The coaches like the aspect that they have responsibility for an area, they do the drills, skills, whatever for their area. They also like that they have to focus on their position and not try to do RB & DB in the same practice session.
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Post by ksmitty79 on Apr 13, 2015 8:13:34 GMT -6
Each coach has a position. While Varsity is doing Defense, JV is doing Defense. Then we switch. Seems to work well for us. Now as a coach it all depends on the day. I honestly would rather coach the young bucks as well as the varsity guys as they get used to my expectations as well as terminology. The problem that we run into is Thursday night is our JV game nights. Playing games at 6:30 and getting out of school at 3:10 really puts us in a bind. Pre-game meals for the young bucks and varsity walk-thrus going on at the same time. This year we had some guys back out on us late in summer forced us to make coaching amendments. I called the JV Offense and the DC for Varsity called the JV. Another thing that really hurt us was pre-game warm-ups for the JV guys as well. A shorter Walk-thru would cure that. (We have some guys that tend to get long winded)
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 13, 2015 8:27:10 GMT -6
I was on a staff where JV played both ways (35-40 guys) but varsity didn't (60-80 guys).
JV did team period (JV OC, DC, and HC were there) at 3 while varsity watched film. That was #1 O vs bor and #1 D vs bor.
JV then would alternate indy with an O day (Tues) and a D day (Thur) during the week with varsity guys.
JV was scout for O, D, and ST for V.
All the V staff was also the JV staff, V DL coach was JV DC, V RB coach was JV OC, JV head coach was V STC.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 13, 2015 8:48:55 GMT -6
We do this. I love it. I think it helps a great deal. We are in a position to coach Varsity, JV and Freshman. The common language, drills and expectations make it very beneficial and have sped up the learning curve.
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Post by buck42 on Apr 13, 2015 11:00:27 GMT -6
We have tried this for years but I am trying something new this year. We have problems with coaches (community guys) being late due to work commitments or an on campus coach getting called into an IEP meeting or something which throws our practice schedule off. Also, it has caused some tension on the staff because the offensive staff and the defensive start complaining on about the other unit etc...
So what I am trying this year is to have each coach partner up with an other coach and coach a position on both sides of the ball. Two coaches coach WRs and they also coach DBs...etc...HOPEFULLY, if one coach is missing due to another obligation we do not have the revamp the whole practice schedule on the fly.
Also, we are planning on practicing everyone together to start practice. We will stretch, do special teams (JV vs. Varsity for the most part) go to Indy O and and Indy D as a program and then the JV HC/OC and the JV DC will split off (with atleast one other coach that may rotate) and take the JVs for the last hour of practice. They will do what they think is needed for prepare the game and the varsity will work more group/7v7/Inside Run,etc.
It looks great on paper...hope it works!
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Post by M4 on Apr 13, 2015 11:03:26 GMT -6
We have tried this for years but I am trying something new this year. We have problems with coaches (community guys) being late due to work commitments or an on campus coach getting called into an IEP meeting or something which throws our practice schedule off. Also, it has caused some tension on the staff because the offensive staff and the defensive start complaining on about the other unit etc... So what I am trying this year is to have each coach partner up with an other coach and coach a position on both sides of the ball. Two coaches coach WRs and they also coach DBs...etc...HOPEFULLY, if one coach is missing due to another obligation we do not have the revamp the whole practice schedule on the fly. Also, we are planning on practicing everyone together to start practice. We will stretch, do special teams (JV vs. Varsity for the most part) go to Indy O and and Indy D as a program and then the JV HC/OC and the JV DC will split off (with atleast one other coach that may rotate) and take the JVs for the last hour of practice. They will do what they think is needed for prepare the game and the varsity will work more group/7v7/Inside Run,etc. It looks great on paper...hope it works! Very similar to how we do it. We only have 1 coach per group (2 at WR/DB which seems like it's always the biggest group when you combine JV and V) and 2 at OL / DL (we split that more into regular and remedial). Togetheer for 1'st hour - apart ofr 2nd hour usually day before game is seperate for the entire practice |
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Post by dytmook on Apr 13, 2015 12:53:31 GMT -6
method for if you play both sides of the ball: each coach is assigned one position... i.e. a QB coach; a DB coach; an OL coach, etc. when the varsity is practicing offense with the offensive coaches the JV practicing defense with the defensive coaches. halfway through, switch That's pretty much what we do. Everyone does indy together, but then for group/team the young guys go with offensive coaches if the focus is defense and vice versa. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 13, 2015 18:32:15 GMT -6
Varsity/JV together, one whole staff, 8 quarter rule; CTeam is separated
We 2 platoon. We practice right at 2-2.25 hours a day. We coach all our kids together. I have all the DBs all day. There is also another DB coach and we can split CBs & Ss if we need to do so. That also allows us to split up for group sessions IE Inside run and perimeter at the same time.
Indy time it's everyone getting reps, V&JV
Group time, if we are splitting 2 periods, we'll rotate the JVs and Vs between the stations IE Varsity DBs in perimeter/passing concepts, JV DB in inside run, and switch half way through.
Team periods, we'll split them up into 1's, 2's, and scout team. When we go good on good, reps are about 2:1 for the Varsity.
Scout periods the scout teamers go and get their team reps there.
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Post by Coach Vint on Apr 14, 2015 10:01:40 GMT -6
method for if you play both sides of the ball: each coach is assigned one position... i.e. a QB coach; a DB coach; an OL coach, etc. when the varsity is practicing offense with the offensive coaches the JV practicing defense with the defensive coaches. halfway through, switch This is exactly what we do. It allows us to get our best guys on the field on both sides of the ball. We also get to know and build relationships with the JV Players. HC and Coordinators stay with whoever is playing at home on Thursday. We have 4 Frosh Coaches and 10 Varsity Coaches. Frosh coaches stay with the Frosh during practice. Our varsity staff spends time with the Frosh during two-a-days. Once the season gets going the frosh coaches run that level. |
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Post by mholst40 on Apr 14, 2015 21:11:07 GMT -6
We are going to do this for the first time this season.
We platoon most players. We have maybe 5 that will go both ways.
A typical game week schedule would be...
Monday: Defensive emphasis practice for Varsity, Offensive emphasis for JV. (Varsity 2-way guys practice defense)
Tuesday: Offensive emphasis practice for Varsity, Defensive emphasis for JV. (Varsity 2-way guys practice offense)
Wednesday: Split practice between offense and defense for Varsity and JV, but everything is flipped so when Varsity is on defense, JV is on offense.
Thursday: Split practice between offense and defense for Varsity and JV, but everything is flipped so when Varsity is on defense, JV is on offense.
So basically, Varsity and JV are always on opposite sides of the ball as one another. 2-way players go to the side of the ball that is emphasized that day. If there is no emphasis for the day, they split time.
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Post by coachtua on Apr 15, 2015 1:34:00 GMT -6
We have 14 coaches on Varsity staff. With the exception of the HC/OC, DC, AHC, most coach both Varsity and JV. The Varsity Slots coach is the Frosh HC/OC and one of our LB coaches is the Frosh DC. Varsity DL coach is JV DC and Varsity TE coach is Assistant OC/JV OC. Varsity is opposite side of ball from JV/Frosh. The only thing the Varsity and JV does together is Conditioning.
We also play back to back JV & Varsity. Most teams in our area the JV runs a watered down version of the Varsity scheme, so it helps to be able to tell the HC, hey heres something they did that we havent seen on film or they tweaked this or that, etc.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 15, 2015 7:33:19 GMT -6
We two platoon and coach everyone 9th-12th:
Each coach has a position (2 coaches at DL, 2 at DB because, 2 at OL, 1 at the other positions). I'm the HC and DB coach, mostly with safeties- I coach EVERY safety in the program.
What we do is alternate "emphasis" days- if it's an offensive day then they get the lion's share of practice time which is about 15-20mins more than the defense gets that day. The coordinators have reign to do whatever we need to do but usually on O days the offense will get Indy, 2 different group periods (inside run+1v1s, Pass under Pressure, Live/Thud screen drill etc) with a scout team, and team period with scout team. The defense gets Indy, group, and a shorter team.
Our JV play on mondays, 9th play on wednesdays, we play friday- this by far is the hardest part of the scheduling- finding balance with the young ones. We split it so JV practices with the varsity emphasis group, 9th grade practices with the other. Basically here is our schedule:
Monday: Offensive day, JV Game, 9th grade practices offense
Tuesday: Defensive Day, 9th grade offense, JV Defense with varsity when jv goes O team 9th grade runs d-team
Wednesday: Offensive Day, 9th grade Game, JV practices offense
Thursday: Defense Day, Var + 9 INdy Var + JV Indy, then JV and 9th breakoff to work separate while Var does run-through pregame stuff
Friday: JV and 9th scrimmage or work together on whatever they need to work on for about 75-90mins right after school.
It can be a cluster at times trying to schedule everyone to get enough time. If I can get a few more volunteer coaches I will probably separate 9th grade into their own group for scheduling purposes where the varsity coaches only do Indy with them then the 9th coaches break them off to work separately.
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Post by ksmitty79 on Apr 15, 2015 7:39:09 GMT -6
We have 14 coaches on Varsity staff. With the exception of the HC/OC, DC, AHC, most coach both Varsity and JV. The Varsity Slots coach is the Frosh HC/OC and one of our LB coaches is the Frosh DC. Varsity DL coach is JV DC and Varsity TE coach is Assistant OC/JV OC. Varsity is opposite side of ball from JV/Frosh. The only thing the Varsity and JV does together is Conditioning. We also play back to back JV & Varsity. Most teams in our area the JV runs a watered down version of the Varsity scheme, so it helps to be able to tell the HC, hey heres something they did that we havent seen on film or they tweaked this or that, etc. Must be nice to have 14 coaches!! We have 6 paid spots.... Some years we have a couple of volunteers but, they seem to be hard to find and keep around when they start to see the commitment that is requested. Working in a county that doesn't have middle school football is really our Achilles Heal. We are the largest of three schools in our county with 1300 kids. While we had 100 kids this past year the smallest school in our county with 400 Kids maybe 35 kids playing football have the same number of paid assistants. Could someone explain this to me because, I still cant find the reasoning behind it. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 15, 2015 21:26:26 GMT -6
We have 14 coaches on Varsity staff. With the exception of the HC/OC, DC, AHC, most coach both Varsity and JV. The Varsity Slots coach is the Frosh HC/OC and one of our LB coaches is the Frosh DC. Varsity DL coach is JV DC and Varsity TE coach is Assistant OC/JV OC. Varsity is opposite side of ball from JV/Frosh. The only thing the Varsity and JV does together is Conditioning. We also play back to back JV & Varsity. Most teams in our area the JV runs a watered down version of the Varsity scheme, so it helps to be able to tell the HC, hey heres something they did that we havent seen on film or they tweaked this or that, etc. Must be nice to have 14 coaches!! We have 6 paid spots.... Some years we have a couple of volunteers but, they seem to be hard to find and keep around when they start to see the commitment that is requested. Working in a county that doesn't have middle school football is really our Achilles Heal. We are the largest of three schools in our county with 1300 kids. While we had 100 kids this past year the smallest school in our county with 400 Kids maybe 35 kids playing football have the same number of paid assistants. Could someone explain this to me because, I still cant find the reasoning behind it. We have quite a large staff, something we do is split the stipends up and redistribute. So everyone isn't making as much as they would at other places but it allows us to retain more help. Another thing you can do is encourage former players to help out. Not everyone leaves town and if you can get former players to stick around and help during the fall it can be quite helpful. Especially because they know the expectations of the program and the terminology everyone uses. |
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Post by ksmitty79 on Apr 17, 2015 9:26:01 GMT -6
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Post by smcauliffe54 on Apr 18, 2015 3:46:50 GMT -6
We have 6 paid coaching spots. Have had up to 9 coaches in the past. I think its dependent on numbers and scheme. for us we combine the whole program(that said the last two years we've had less than 30 kids in the whole program and were still able to 3rd and 4th rounds of the playoffs). everyone will do offense then switch to defense. this way we can have two coaches at one position and if needed split up that position. ex: Oline coach and Dline coach together, one day i take the guards and centers and work on combo's and he takes the tackles and tight ends and works on combo's. Or he takes the freshmen to work on basics and i take upper class men to work on advanced stuff. Then for defense i would be the assistant to the dline coach. This way all coaches are familiar with what we are trying to do on both sides of the ball and can help out if we miss something in practice or on gameday.
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Post by olcoach53 on Apr 18, 2015 6:04:40 GMT -6
We all coached. JV was a little pushed aside but that was because the staff was put in place late in the summer. We all coached varsity obviously and then for JV games myself (offensive line) would call the JV offense and our varsity LB coach would call the JV defense. It was almost like an extended practice for them and we would try our best to get everybody playing time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 14:01:46 GMT -6
When I've coached in programs who did this, we just two platooned the coaches like @coachhuey.
Offensive coaches would work with varsity first while defensive coaches would work with JV defense. Then we'd switch halfway through.
We would all meet and gameplan the varsity games together on Sunday afternoon. On JV gamedays we'd select 2-3 coaches from each side of the ball to go with the JV on away games. For JV home games, 1-2 coaches would babysit the JV in the locker room while everyone else practiced just like normal.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Apr 19, 2015 0:08:25 GMT -6
I do it and we love it - 6 years of it and it has helped turn our program around...
We needed to do it at first and now we choose too...
Game day is rough but it has positives too:
I am the V OC, but the WR coach is the JV OC - so he gets to call plays....
LB coach is V DC, but DL coach is JV DC...
This makes your program better because you have coordinators working together weekly and developing themselves....
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 19, 2015 9:44:21 GMT -6
We have our 2 lower levels on Thursday afternoons here... only varsity game on Friday night. Our varsity staff is split in half and we all coach a lower level on Thursday afternoon.
Back when we were in CA and JV was before the varsity, we had everyone but the varsity HC do the JV game. Assistant HC for varsity was the HC for JV, Coordinators were same as varsity (if HC was coordinator, then someone else on that side of the ball got opportunity to learn how to call plays, etc... Makes for a long day, but it is football man. Still worth it.
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Post by CatsCoach on Apr 19, 2015 20:51:51 GMT -6
The program that I was a part of, we had 9 varsity coaches and 4 of us coached our JV team on Thursday nights. The other 5 coaches where normally at the games, especially the home games. Our freshman had their own coaching staff.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Apr 29, 2015 9:11:10 GMT -6
We have our 2 lower levels on Thursday afternoons here... only varsity game on Friday night. Our varsity staff is split in half and we all coach a lower level on Thursday afternoon. Back when we were in CA and JV was before the varsity, we had everyone but the varsity HC do the JV game. Assistant HC for varsity was the HC for JV, Coordinators were same as varsity (if HC was coordinator, then someone else on that side of the ball got opportunity to learn how to call plays, etc... Makes for a long day, but it is football man. Still worth it. I am in CA and this is basically what we do... I am the V HC and OC and I stay with the Varsity during JV games - V DC is just a position coach during JV... We have totally different OC and DC for JV games... |
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