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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jul 6, 2015 18:25:30 GMT -6
Are the hours in the video below normal for coaching in Texas? My wife and I have talked a lot about moving to Texas, so if we decide to move I'd like to be prepared.
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Post by football365 on Jul 6, 2015 19:06:23 GMT -6
Nice knowing you, bro
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jul 6, 2015 19:34:16 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you mean by that... |
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jul 6, 2015 19:49:36 GMT -6
I realize this might actually fit better in the the Advice on career, classrooms, jobs, etc section, so feel free to move it Mods.
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Post by cracker18 on Jul 6, 2015 20:11:05 GMT -6
I would say it's not too out of the ordinary. Our staff doesn't work quite that much, but we aren't far off. This particular coach is at Arlington Martin which is a big 6A school in the metroplex. I would go out on a limb (very sturdy one) and say this is the most competitive area for HS football in the country. It's big time football! You better be putting in some hours or you can't keep up.
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jul 6, 2015 20:26:02 GMT -6
Gotcha. I would be willing to work similar hours, but I want to prepare my wife accordingly as this would be an adjustment for her.
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Post by dijackson08 on Jul 6, 2015 20:28:12 GMT -6
That's pretty typical for a HC as a assistant you'll probably get to leave around 7 pm on Monday and Tuesday. I coached 5 years in Louisiana too and the hours were worse because we could have organized mandatory workouts all summer and we could also coach 7 v 7. Like, we seriously punished kids if they missed any days unless it was 4th of July week. That week was optional. I worked probably 20-30 hours a week in the summer.
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Post by fantom on Jul 6, 2015 22:02:12 GMT -6
OK, I'll come out and say it-working a 90 hour week for HS football is nuts. No matter how tough your league is, no matter how much pressure you're under there's only so much that needs to be done to get a team ready. I've long believed that a lot of the stuff that's being done is done to soothe the HC's nerves and to show the admins and fans that you're trying to outwork the other guy. I realize that my attitude might not work in Texas but that's fine because I ain't going.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 6, 2015 22:20:40 GMT -6
OK, I'll come out and say it-working a 90 hour week for HS football is nuts. No matter how tough your league is, no matter how much pressure you're under there's only so much that needs to be done to get a team ready. I've long believed that a lot of the stuff that's being done is done to soothe the HC's nerves and to show the admins and fans that you're trying to outwork the other guy. I realize that my attitude might not work in Texas but that's fine because I ain't going. Coach, I have to ask--when you give the figure "90 hour weeks" are you talking ONLY football related issues? Is that what others are referring to when they give those types of figures? Because I know many classroom teachers are working 55-60 hour weeks, so I can easily see a coach spending 30 hours a week on football related activities (especially if you include JV / Frosh games and things of that nature.) |
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Post by fantom on Jul 6, 2015 22:27:53 GMT -6
OK, I'll come out and say it-working a 90 hour week for HS football is nuts. No matter how tough your league is, no matter how much pressure you're under there's only so much that needs to be done to get a team ready. I've long believed that a lot of the stuff that's being done is done to soothe the HC's nerves and to show the admins and fans that you're trying to outwork the other guy. I realize that my attitude might not work in Texas but that's fine because I ain't going. Coach, I have to ask--when you give the figure "90 hour weeks" are you talking ONLY football related issues? Is that what others are referring to when they give those types of figures? Because I know many classroom teachers are working 55-60 hour weeks, so I can easily see a coach spending 30 hours a week on football related activities (especially if you include JV / Frosh games and things of that nature.) I understand that the figure includes teaching but there's still no reason to be getting home at 9 or midnight on weekdays. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 6, 2015 22:32:54 GMT -6
Coach, I have to ask--when you give the figure "90 hour weeks" are you talking ONLY football related issues? Is that what others are referring to when they give those types of figures? Because I know many classroom teachers are working 55-60 hour weeks, so I can easily see a coach spending 30 hours a week on football related activities (especially if you include JV / Frosh games and things of that nature.) I understand that the figure includes teaching but there's still no reason to be getting home at 9 or midnight on weekdays. I know some districts that might have Frosh games on separate nights than JV games, so I can see situations where you get back late multiple weeknights. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 6, 2015 22:56:37 GMT -6
I understand that the figure includes teaching but there's still no reason to be getting home at 9 or midnight on weekdays. I know some districts that might have Frosh games on separate nights than JV games, so I can see situations where you get back late multiple weeknights. Which is why they have frosh and JV coaches. I do understand that the HC in the video is also AD, as are most HC's in big programs in Texas. That doesn't make it less crazy. |
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Post by football365 on Jul 6, 2015 23:27:26 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you mean by that... It was a joke... The only time that guy's family sees him is when they walk him out to the car sometimes before dawn. His kids seem depressed. My joke was that you said you'd be moving to Texas, I pretended you would have his schedule, which means nobody would ever see you..... |
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Post by agap on Jul 6, 2015 23:37:29 GMT -6
I don't think 80-90 hours per week (which includes football and teaching) is that crazy. If I spend 50 hours on teaching, that's 30-40 hours for football which is only about 4 hours per day.
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 7, 2015 5:20:51 GMT -6
I could see it being done pretty easy. I don't teach at the school, I own my own business but I put in 45+ hours at my job then 30+ for football during the season. I'm at practice from 3:30-4 to 7:30-8 every day. We'll be there until 12-1 on Friday nights and 12:30-6 or 7 on Sundays. And I'm not getting 100k for coaching I assure you.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2015 7:56:00 GMT -6
I know some districts that might have Frosh games on separate nights than JV games, so I can see situations where you get back late multiple weeknights. Which is why they have frosh and JV coaches. I do understand that the HC in the video is also AD, as are most HC's in big programs in Texas. That doesn't make it less crazy. I have never been at a school here in Louisiana that had separate JV and Varsity teams/staffs. I know such a think exists, and isn't rare, but I think the combined venture is also common. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 7, 2015 8:26:01 GMT -6
a typical mon-wed schedule the past several years has been something like this:
6:00 am - arrive at school, open facility, quick meeting/prepare for day
6:30 am - freshmen begin arriving
6:45 am - freshmen lift meet or lift / practice
8:30 am to 3:30 pm - teach
3:30 pm - varsity position meetings/film
4:00 pm - varsity/jv practice
6:00 pm - upload practice film, start laundry, etc.
7:00 pm - leave school
thursday will start an hour later but may not leave field house until after 10 pm, depending on game location
friday starts at 7:30 and my "day" doesn't usually end until i've broken down the night's game on hudl - typically around 1:30-2 am
saturday's we usually go 7 to about 4. this includes lifting, meeting with team, and game plan
sunday - the past 7 years, we haven't come in at all and just done specific tasks at home via hudl/google docs
the hours add up simply due to all the 'non-football' things that you have to do....laundry, equipment, film, facilities, etc. not to mention the school work needed to be a good classroom teacher. so, while 90-hours a week may not be 'typical' it isn't necessarily 'atypical' either.
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Post by dijackson08 on Jul 7, 2015 8:28:58 GMT -6
I'm in Texas and we coach all 3 levels at the 4A level.
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Post by fantom on Jul 7, 2015 8:48:01 GMT -6
a typical mon-wed schedule the past several years has been something like this: 6:00 am - arrive at school, open facility, quick meeting/prepare for day 6:30 am - freshmen begin arriving 6:45 am - freshmen lift meet or lift / practice 8:30 am to 3:30 pm - teach 3:30 pm - varsity position meetings/film 4:00 pm - varsity/jv practice 6:00 pm - upload practice film, start laundry, etc. 7:00 pm - leave school thursday will start an hour later but may not leave field house until after 10 pm, depending on game location friday starts at 7:30 and my "day" doesn't usually end until i've broken down the night's game on hudl - typically around 1:30-2 am saturday's we usually go 7 to about 4. this includes lifting, meeting with team, and game plan sunday - the past 7 years, we haven't come in at all and just done specific tasks at home via hudl/google docs the hours add up simply due to all the 'non-football' things that you have to do....laundry, equipment, film, facilities, etc. not to mention the school work needed to be a good classroom teacher. so, while 90-hours a week may not be 'typical' it isn't necessarily 'atypical' either. Actually, when I was still teaching this isn't a lot different that what we did. One difference is that we usually didn't bring in the kids at all ob Saturday and we had our staff meetings Sunday evenings. The biggest difference is bringing the freshmen in in the morning. It seems odd to me that all of the coaches coach all three levels. How many coaches are on staff? |
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 7, 2015 9:04:06 GMT -6
a typical mon-wed schedule the past several years has been something like this: 6:00 am - arrive at school, open facility, quick meeting/prepare for day 6:30 am - freshmen begin arriving 6:45 am - freshmen lift meet or lift / practice 8:30 am to 3:30 pm - teach 3:30 pm - varsity position meetings/film 4:00 pm - varsity/jv practice 6:00 pm - upload practice film, start laundry, etc. 7:00 pm - leave school thursday will start an hour later but may not leave field house until after 10 pm, depending on game location friday starts at 7:30 and my "day" doesn't usually end until i've broken down the night's game on hudl - typically around 1:30-2 am saturday's we usually go 7 to about 4. this includes lifting, meeting with team, and game plan sunday - the past 7 years, we haven't come in at all and just done specific tasks at home via hudl/google docs the hours add up simply due to all the 'non-football' things that you have to do....laundry, equipment, film, facilities, etc. not to mention the school work needed to be a good classroom teacher. so, while 90-hours a week may not be 'typical' it isn't necessarily 'atypical' either. Are your assistants carrying the same workload? I could see some of these tasks being delegated to assts. |
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Post by dijackson08 on Jul 7, 2015 9:10:28 GMT -6
Yes that schedule is pretty typical everywhere I've been. We have 14 but varsity assistant call the game on fr/jv. Helps develop us into coordinators. It's a next man up mentality. We loose a coach next guy under him moves up and we hire another fr guy.
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Post by fantom on Jul 7, 2015 9:14:14 GMT -6
Yes that schedule is pretty typical everywhere I've been. We have 14 but varsity assistant call the game on fr/jv. Helps develop us into coordinators. It's a next man up mentality. We loose a coach next guy under him moves up and we hire another fr guy. To me, if you have 14 coaches and all coaching all three levels you're just working for work's sake. |
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Post by lochness on Jul 7, 2015 9:35:47 GMT -6
Why do the Freshman programs practice in the morning, separate from the other levels? Is it due to having huge numbers? I've never heard that...but that seems like a significant contributor to the required hours.
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Post by dijackson08 on Jul 7, 2015 9:39:54 GMT -6
Yes that schedule is pretty typical everywhere I've been. We have 14 but varsity assistant call the game on fr/jv. Helps develop us into coordinators. It's a next man up mentality. We loose a coach next guy under him moves up and we hire another fr guy. To me, if you have 14 coaches and all coaching all three levels you're just working for work's sake. Your probably right, but I like this setup my last 2 stops were 6 and 7 man staffs. If we lost a good assistant it was really hard to find a suitable replacement. This setup really helps develop young coaches so there is less pressure to find a good coach we just bring up one of the young guys we've been grooming. Calling plays is a privilege it's not just given to someone with no experience. We coach the freshman indo during there atl period and the freshman coaches coach the team and group stuff after school while we practice the varsity. We use 11 coaches for Varsity 3 or 4 for freshman |
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Post by dubber on Jul 7, 2015 10:04:49 GMT -6
Yes that schedule is pretty typical everywhere I've been. We have 14 but varsity assistant call the game on fr/jv. Helps develop us into coordinators. It's a next man up mentality. We loose a coach next guy under him moves up and we hire another fr guy. To me, if you have 14 coaches and all coaching all three levels you're just working for work's sake.
This.
No doubt this guy loves what he does, is good at it, etc.
He is also inefficient.
It's not the early starts, it's the late nights.
There is a lack of delegation going on, and as others said earlier, a lot of this is to pacify that type A personality.
Checking all the boxes, and I MUST be the one to check them.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jul 7, 2015 10:19:17 GMT -6
OK, I'll come out and say it-working a 90 hour week for HS football is nuts. No matter how tough your league is, no matter how much pressure you're under there's only so much that needs to be done to get a team ready. I've long believed that a lot of the stuff that's being done is done to soothe the HC's nerves and to show the admins and fans that you're trying to outwork the other guy. I realize that my attitude might not work in Texas but that's fine because I ain't going. 90 does seem like a lot. I just charted my typical week on paper. I came up with 60 hours teaching and football put together. That number does include watching film during the week but does not include film I watched on Saturdays as that number varies greatly. Sometimes I have a good feel for what I need to prepare for after watching a team once while sometimes I'll watch a team 4-5 times and still have no idea! I will admit that being a SPED teacher helps me. I have very little, if any, outside the school day planning and grading and if I have a good group of independent workers, I can sneak some film watching in during my resource class periods. |
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jul 7, 2015 11:34:06 GMT -6
I'm not sure what you mean by that... It was a joke... The only time that guy's family sees him is when they walk him out to the car sometimes before dawn. His kids seem depressed. My joke was that you said you'd be moving to Texas, I pretended you would have his schedule, which means nobody would ever see you..... Oh, ok. I'm a little slow sometimes, forgive me  |
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jul 7, 2015 11:37:57 GMT -6
a typical mon-wed schedule the past several years has been something like this: 6:00 am - arrive at school, open facility, quick meeting/prepare for day 6:30 am - freshmen begin arriving 6:45 am - freshmen lift meet or lift / practice 8:30 am to 3:30 pm - teach 3:30 pm - varsity position meetings/film 4:00 pm - varsity/jv practice 6:00 pm - upload practice film, start laundry, etc. 7:00 pm - leave school thursday will start an hour later but may not leave field house until after 10 pm, depending on game location friday starts at 7:30 and my "day" doesn't usually end until i've broken down the night's game on hudl - typically around 1:30-2 am saturday's we usually go 7 to about 4. this includes lifting, meeting with team, and game plan sunday - the past 7 years, we haven't come in at all and just done specific tasks at home via hudl/google docs the hours add up simply due to all the 'non-football' things that you have to do....laundry, equipment, film, facilities, etc. not to mention the school work needed to be a good classroom teacher. so, while 90-hours a week may not be 'typical' it isn't necessarily 'atypical' either. Coach, what do your freshman do afterschool if they practice in the morning? Do they lift after school if they practiced in the morning? |
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 7, 2015 15:03:37 GMT -6
we had 8 coaches - 4 offense & 4 defense
we had around 40 to 50 freshmen every year with another 85-95 between the jv & varsity...that's pretty good for a school with around 250 boys total, 9-12.
freshmen don't come back after school except on thursday for their games.
when freshmen were doing offense, it allowed the defensive guys to do whatever they needed to do - i.e. meet as staff, tend to classroom stuff, etc. when freshmen were practicing defense we might meet to discuss varsity practice from day before, hash out any particulars for that afternoon's practice, or simply get caught up on grading papers ... just depended.
without walking in another man's shoes, it's hard to say a staff is inefficient or ineffective or type a, or whatever. i don't completely understand all the inner-workings of football across the country so i try to refrain from speaking on it as to it being "good" or "bad" or "inefficient" or whatever. do i find the title of "jv hc/oc" as laughable because titles such as those here are meaningless? well, i shouldn't because i don't understand the dynamics and workings of the athletic arena in those states.
so, for those of you poo-pooing how we have done things the past 7 years with 8 coaches and around 140 kids while teaching a full course load, carrying 3 football teams, coaching 2nd and even 3rd sports--- oh, and helping with our junior program, well.... just like in other areas, things are a little different here. being "at the office" 12-13 hours a day during football season isn't really that much of a stretch and not that taxing of a workload. the key isn't the time at the office, it's how you maximize your time away from the office.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2015 15:20:44 GMT -6
we had 8 coaches - 4 offense & 4 defense we had around 40 to 50 freshmen every year with another 85-95 between the jv & varsity...that's pretty good for a school with around 250 boys total, 9-12. freshmen don't come back after school except on thursday for their games. when freshmen were doing offense, it allowed the defensive guys to do whatever they needed to do - i.e. meet as staff, tend to classroom stuff, etc. when freshmen were practicing defense we might meet to discuss varsity practice from day before, hash out any particulars for that afternoon's practice, or simply get caught up on grading papers ... just depended. without walking in another man's shoes, it's hard to say a staff is inefficient or ineffective or type a, or whatever. i don't completely understand all the inner-workings of football across the country so i try to refrain from speaking on it as to it being "good" or "bad" or "inefficient" or whatever. do i find the title of "jv hc/oc" as laughable because titles such as those here are meaningless? well, i shouldn't because i don't understand the dynamics and workings of the athletic arena in those states. so, for those of you poo-pooing how we have done things the past 7 years with 8 coaches and around 140 kids while teaching a full course load, carrying 3 football teams, coaching 2nd and even 3rd sports--- oh, and helping with our junior program, well.... just like in other areas, things are a little different here. being "at the office" 12-13 hours a day during football season isn't really that much of a stretch and not that taxing of a workload. the key isn't the time at the office, it's how you maximize your time away from the office. think a big part of the situation you have Coach Huey is that you have close to 60% of your male population playing football. Would be interested to see how other schools compare in that category. |
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