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Post by leethefootballcoach on Jul 7, 2015 20:32:19 GMT -6
We have been going pretty hard all summer, except for the dead period we just cam off of. A lot of players seem to have pretty dead legs. We only have about 50 or so at workouts out of about 70 on the team. Almost all starters are here and getting reps. We have 5 weeks till our first game and have 3 scrimmages before that.
When do you start to taper off. How much is too much.
We want to be in shape for the season as we plan to go a lot of no huddle and most players play one side of the ball, except for WR/DBs. But we also want to be fresh when the season starts.
We are working our for an hour and practicing for 1:50 after that. Most of our offense is installed and we are running lost of routes and no huddle team to be polished. The OL/DL seem fine, but they are not running routes or covering all day. Our Wr/RB/DB are a little worn down.
We have already slowed down on lower body workouts as well as stopped our crossfit and agilities.
Just looking for some advice.
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Post by dijackson08 on Jul 7, 2015 21:14:54 GMT -6
May wanna look at only squating on Monday. Usually your running a lot of sprints, doing a lot of indo, and playing 7 on 7. Heavy squatting 2-3 times a week on top of that can wear down the legs pretty quick.
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Post by cookiemonster on Jul 7, 2015 21:36:35 GMT -6
We lift heavy all year. Only thing we change is we stay with heavy weight and low reps and dont cycle into our higher rep cycles during the competition season. We lift 4 days a week all year long.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 8, 2015 0:08:58 GMT -6
Coach if you feel like your guys are wearing down already it's probably time to change something. The season is a drag and everyone seems to be doing more and more over the summer, which just adds to the grind. I honestly feel that much of the time the when players start dragging it's from mental exhaustion more than physical. Trying doing some things to break up the monotony of the practice routine. Instead of lifting one take them out and run relays with them or play some games. Maybe have a practice where the skill guys and lineman switch places for a day.
You switch things up a couple of days and I bet you'll see their legs freshen up a little bit.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jul 8, 2015 6:28:04 GMT -6
I think if you go too much or too hard all summer, you really start to burn out by early season. We take it relatively easy in the summer. Our "summer" is only about 6 weeks now so it's not even that long anymore. We lift two days a week (one upper, one lower) and do lift heavy then. We do an hour of football after each one of those days. One other day of the week is dedicated solely to football for 2 hours. So we go 3 days a week. We did one 11 on 11 scrimmage in June and will do two 7 on 7s in July. That's the extent of our summer. Next year I am thinking about scaling back the football in June and maybe just doing mostly workouts.
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Post by WingTheT on Jul 8, 2015 16:05:05 GMT -6
What our team did is that we'd take a week during the summer to do out "Team testing" on different assessments such as 40, max bench, etc. This gives them basically two weeks during the summer to somewhat rest their legs (other week is dead week).
This seems to help us during the summer. We still do our indy/skelly/team stuff, but it does allow them to get a rest without telling them we're resting.
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 8, 2015 16:23:03 GMT -6
You're going through nearly 3 hours of work in July? What are your boys going to have left in October? If you think they're getting burned out now, imagine then.
If your boys are giving strong handshakes as they come into the weight room, are bantering and having fun during pre-practice, and still have energy to goof around after practice, you're gonna be OK. Otherwise, back off, more isn't better.
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Post by gambler00 on Jul 8, 2015 20:22:16 GMT -6
We work really hard all summer. We always give the players the week off before August Practice. I think this good for many reasons and I've been on staffs that didn't. That is the last week before practice starts and Also like most staffs we meet and get all things in order for the season. secondly what is the purpose of your summer workouts ? Honestly I believe in conditioning in August. I don't see a real purpose in running kids like crazy all summer in conditioning drills. I don't know if your doing this or not but Ive made this mistake as a coach so cut back on that in my opinion. I would give them some more off time instead of trying to do new stuff at this point in the summer.
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Post by leethefootballcoach on Jul 8, 2015 20:35:14 GMT -6
Mentally the kids are into it. We have had a very frank meeting with the seniors and told them our concerns and they gave good feedback. They really dont want to change practice at all. They want to rep our offense and defense and get prepared for anything they could see this season.
We were just concerned with the guys running 100 routes a day (seems like) but they are having fun and enjoy practicing against the best we have. We are not doing any conditioning. We separate the groups into mostly defense and offense then switch days so they are only doing each side every other day.
So we are not worried about getting burned out mentally, just physically, because mentally they are into it and excited. Just dont know how long it takes to get your legs back under you. Is 4 days enough? Is a week too long? Just curious what others think.
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 8, 2015 20:36:46 GMT -6
We work really hard all summer. We always give the players the week off before August Practice. I think this good for many reasons and I've been on staffs that didn't. That is the last week before practice starts and Also like most staffs we meet and get all things in order for the season. secondly what is the purpose of your summer workouts ? Honestly I believe in conditioning in August. I don't see a real purpose in running kids like crazy all summer in conditioning drills. I don't know if your doing this or not but Ive made this mistake as a coach so cut back on that in my opinion. I would give them some more off time instead of trying to do new stuff at this point in the summer. You can start conditioning in August and be all set by September, it's not a terribly long process.
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Post by fantom on Jul 8, 2015 20:48:54 GMT -6
We work really hard all summer. We always give the players the week off before August Practice. I think this good for many reasons and I've been on staffs that didn't. That is the last week before practice starts and Also like most staffs we meet and get all things in order for the season. secondly what is the purpose of your summer workouts ? Honestly I believe in conditioning in August. I don't see a real purpose in running kids like crazy all summer in conditioning drills. I don't know if your doing this or not but Ive made this mistake as a coach so cut back on that in my opinion. I would give them some more off time instead of trying to do new stuff at this point in the summer. They're into it now but will they still feel that way in October when it matters? Also, what are the linemen doing while the receivers are running routes?
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Post by leethefootballcoach on Jul 9, 2015 6:29:24 GMT -6
Lineman are doing a regular practice. Down blocks doubles pulls, pass protection stuff.
As far as being into it in October, may depend on how whether you are 4-6 or 9-1
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 9, 2015 7:27:47 GMT -6
Lineman are doing a regular practice. Down blocks doubles pulls, pass protection stuff. As far as being into it in October, may depend on how whether you are 4-6 or 9-1 It may...but it also may not. Obviously kids will more likely "check out" of a less successful season, but often when you are done, you are done. Amazingly enough I have seen teams (not that I coached) throw in the towel the semifinal week of the season. With regards to them having fun now, and wanting to keep pressing on--Well, I enjoy hot fresh glazed donuts when I buy a dozen...but my attitude changes a bit when I bite into #10 or so...
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Post by natenator on Jul 9, 2015 8:21:24 GMT -6
Lineman are doing a regular practice. Down blocks doubles pulls, pass protection stuff. As far as being into it in October, may depend on how whether you are 4-6 or 9-1 It may...but it also may not. Obviously kids will more likely "check out" of a less successful season, but often when you are done, you are done. Amazingly enough I have seen teams (not that I coached) throw in the towel the semifinal week of the season. With regards to them having fun now, and wanting to keep pressing on--Well, I enjoy hot fresh glazed donuts when I buy a dozen...but my attitude changes a bit when I bite into #10 or so... The law of diminishing marginal utility. It's real and the OP should heed the warnings provided in this thread.
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Post by fantom on Jul 9, 2015 8:53:26 GMT -6
Lineman are doing a regular practice. Down blocks doubles pulls, pass protection stuff. As far as being into it in October, may depend on how whether you are 4-6 or 9-1 It may...but it also may not. Obviously kids will more likely "check out" of a less successful season, but often when you are done, you are done. Amazingly enough I have seen teams (not that I coached) throw in the towel the semifinal week of the season. With regards to them having fun now, and wanting to keep pressing on--Well, I enjoy hot fresh glazed donuts when I buy a dozen...but my attitude changes a bit when I bite into #10 or so... I've coached one of those teams. Lost a second round game to a tam that we thought we should have beaten. Found out that some of the guys had already lined up dates for Monday afternoon. Some of the kids told us later that they were just tired of football. Now, about the fun. Sure the QB's and receivers are having fun. Are the linemen? When I go to the park I never see anybody playing a game of Downblock. Those are the guys who you have to worry about in October.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 9, 2015 9:14:31 GMT -6
It may...but it also may not. Obviously kids will more likely "check out" of a less successful season, but often when you are done, you are done. Amazingly enough I have seen teams (not that I coached) throw in the towel the semifinal week of the season. With regards to them having fun now, and wanting to keep pressing on--Well, I enjoy hot fresh glazed donuts when I buy a dozen...but my attitude changes a bit when I bite into #10 or so... I've coached one of those teams. Lost a second round game to a tam that we thought we should have beaten. Found out that some of the guys had already lined up dates for Monday afternoon. Some of the kids told us later that they were just tired of football. And keep in mind it is not always just the players. My last year as a college coach, we went into the last week of the season in a 3 way tie for 1st place, but wouldn't be named conference champ or advance to post season play based on tiebreaker. We won our noon kickoff game big, and then had to wait on other games that day to see how the chips fell. Sadly they didn't fall our way, but I can honestly say that while I wasn't ACTIVELY ROOTING for our season to be over, I wasn't exactly devastated as to how things turned out. That's why it was my last season as a college coach obviously.
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Post by indian1 on Jul 9, 2015 10:00:49 GMT -6
If, as a coach, you are asking the question "Are we doing to much?" then the answer is yes. Scale it back. If you feel this way the players are definitely feeling it.
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Post by dijackson08 on Jul 11, 2015 19:27:53 GMT -6
According to all my exercise science professors I had in college. It only takes about 6 weeks to go from no running to being in in-season mode.
That equals the beginning of July in most places. And from what I've seen from a lot of my former players that come home in the summer. There summer SC packets really don't run them much til about that time.
As a SC coach myself I've always used this model and never had a problem with being outta shape. We always lift year around. June is heavy install and July transitions from less install and added conditioning.
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Post by dytmook on Jul 12, 2015 12:35:17 GMT -6
We lift for about 2 hours MWF and the kids will usually do something football related for about 30 minutes since we can't coach. Mostly they go to the field and throw. The linemen will work some footwork stuff. Roughly beginning of July we get into our 10 camp days to install and practice with helmets on. We are starting to get into running more now.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 19, 2015 0:30:39 GMT -6
If you're tired and feel like it's been too much then I can make a 150% guarantee that the kids also are and even more so.
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Post by CS on Jul 19, 2015 5:46:40 GMT -6
Mentally the kids are into it. We have had a very frank meeting with the seniors and told them our concerns and they gave good feedback. They really dont want to change practice at all. They want to rep our offense and defense and get prepared for anything they could see this season. We were just concerned with the guys running 100 routes a day (seems like) but they are having fun and enjoy practicing against the best we have. We are not doing any conditioning. We separate the groups into mostly defense and offense then switch days so they are only doing each side every other day. So we are not worried about getting burned out mentally, just physically, because mentally they are into it and excited. Just dont know how long it takes to get your legs back under you. Is 4 days enough? Is a week too long? Just curious what others think. Kids are ignorant and don't think about the future. They MAY be having a good time now but it will get old. I feel that if you get burnt out physically mentally you aren't far behind. As the coach you have to think about the team down the road not just what's right in front of you.
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Post by CS on Jul 19, 2015 5:48:17 GMT -6
It may...but it also may not. Obviously kids will more likely "check out" of a less successful season, but often when you are done, you are done. Amazingly enough I have seen teams (not that I coached) throw in the towel the semifinal week of the season. With regards to them having fun now, and wanting to keep pressing on--Well, I enjoy hot fresh glazed donuts when I buy a dozen...but my attitude changes a bit when I bite into #10 or so... I've coached one of those teams. Lost a second round game to a tam that we thought we should have beaten. Found out that some of the guys had already lined up dates for Monday afternoon. Some of the kids told us later that they were just tired of football. Now, about the fun. Sure the QB's and receivers are having fun. Are the linemen? When I go to the park I never see anybody playing a game of Downblock. Those are the guys who you have to worry about in October. This made me chuckle. I want to invent that game
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Post by s73 on Jul 19, 2015 6:05:48 GMT -6
If you're tired and feel like it's been too much then I can make a 150% guarantee that the kids also are and even more so. ^^^For me it's this! Worked for a guy many years ago who used every available summer day we had. We would go up until a week or so before the season started. After a few years of doing this I remember coming out for the first day of the season & I was not excited at all. I felt like my whole summer was football. Well.....I wasn't the only one. The team was as FLAT as a pancake. On the FIRST DAY of the season! That should NEVER happen IMO. As an assistant I thought this will be my measuring stick as a HC. I want kids EXCITED on day one, so I have tried to plan my summer to hopefully best achieve this. The biggest thing FOR ME is to finish early so the kids & myself can recharge. This has been pretty good for us. We finished yesterday w/ a 7 on 7 tournament. We have about 3 weeks off. JMO. PS - As for lineman having fun like spoken above, every once "in a blue moon" we will end their group time a few minutes early and let them play the scout offense in 7 on 7. The scary thing is, some starting lineman can give a better look then some of our back up skill kids. Keeps the "Bigs" happy. Also brings some energy to the skills guys. They DO NOT want some "fatty" catching a ball on them and the lineman won't let them forget it if they do. Ratchets up the energy level quite a bit.
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