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Post by 33coach on Aug 9, 2015 12:13:00 GMT -6
That's a dangerous spot to be in for your son. How is he supposed to master 4 positions in youth football? Its youth football coach. "Mastery" won't happen. I think the bigger issue is that this mindset would worry me since they are 8 years old, this sounds an awful lot like coaches who draw up plays instead of coaching offensive football. I use mastery relatively of course. There are kids who are masters of 8 year old offensive line play. Etc. And I agree. The mindset of having a "off the bench homerun hitter..." is concerning.
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Post by idrive on Aug 9, 2015 18:48:10 GMT -6
Its youth football coach. "Mastery" won't happen. I think the bigger issue is that this mindset would worry me since they are 8 years old, this sounds an awful lot like coaches who draw up plays instead of coaching offensive football. I use mastery relatively of course. There are kids who are masters of 8 year old offensive line play. Etc. And I agree. The mindset of having a "off the bench homerun hitter..." is concerning. Just curious. Is it as much of a concern if he's still in complete series, just different positions?
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Post by 33coach on Aug 9, 2015 18:55:02 GMT -6
I use mastery relatively of course. There are kids who are masters of 8 year old offensive line play. Etc. And I agree. The mindset of having a "off the bench homerun hitter..." is concerning. Just curious. Is it as much of a concern if he's still in complete series, just different positions? absolutely. im trying to equate it to our system...and if a kid was to learn all of our base stuff from 3 different positions (End, Wing, and B Back)... he would have to know: On Power: Away - --- as an End i cut off first threat to the inside --- as a wing my aiming point is the heels of the B back, i take the pitch and follow the tackles track --- as a B Back i kickout the first man past the POA To - --- as an End i have "Gap, on, Area" blocking - and depending on whether i have a 7-6 or 9 tech, i call for a double team --- as a wing i double team with the End, if he calls for it, otherwise i take on the nearest inside threat by myself --- as a B Back i kickout the first man past the POA thats alot to remember, and thats just for one play......now scale that out to an entire playbook... and i bet you, he is not getting enough reps to know all the positions by heart.
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Post by idrive on Aug 9, 2015 19:02:51 GMT -6
Just curious. Is it as much of a concern if he's still in complete series, just different positions? absolutely. im trying to equate it to our system...and if a kid was to learn all of our base stuff from 3 different positions (End, Wing, and B Back)... he would have to know: On Power: Away - --- as an End i cut off first threat to the inside --- as a wing my aiming point is the heels of the B back, i take the pitch and follow the tackles track --- as a B Back i kickout the first man past the POA To - --- as an End i have "Gap, on, Area" blocking - and depending on whether i have a 7-6 or 9 tech, i call for a double team --- as a wing i double team with the End, if he calls for it, otherwise i take on the nearest inside threat by myself --- as a B Back i kickout the first man past the POA thats alot to remember, and thats just for one play......now scale that out to an entire playbook... and i bet you, he is not getting enough reps to know all the positions by heart. I get that, but this is a very simple wing tee offense. From the 4, TE & WR, blocking assignments a fairly simple as are his routes and there are only 4 running plays from the 4. I'm sure as the season progresses, well I hope anyhow, and more plays are installed, he'll settle in to a position.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 9, 2015 19:05:54 GMT -6
absolutely. im trying to equate it to our system...and if a kid was to learn all of our base stuff from 3 different positions (End, Wing, and B Back)... he would have to know: On Power: Away - --- as an End i cut off first threat to the inside --- as a wing my aiming point is the heels of the B back, i take the pitch and follow the tackles track --- as a B Back i kickout the first man past the POA To - --- as an End i have "Gap, on, Area" blocking - and depending on whether i have a 7-6 or 9 tech, i call for a double team --- as a wing i double team with the End, if he calls for it, otherwise i take on the nearest inside threat by myself --- as a B Back i kickout the first man past the POA thats alot to remember, and thats just for one play......now scale that out to an entire playbook... and i bet you, he is not getting enough reps to know all the positions by heart. I get that, but this is a very simple wing tee offense. From the 4, TE & WR, blocking assignments a fairly simple as are his routes and there are only 4 running plays from the 4. I'm sure as the season progresses, well I hope anyhow, and more plays are installed, he'll settle in to a position. there is absolutely nothing simple about the wing T, as someone who has majored in it my whole coaching career. even at its most basic level, there are alot of fundamental details, that he will be missing. i really hope your kid finds a position, and isnt that "home run hitter"...it will just be a frustrating year for him if he is...
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Post by 19delta on Aug 9, 2015 19:37:59 GMT -6
That's a dangerous spot to be in for your son. How is he supposed to master 4 positions in youth football? Its youth football coach. "Mastery" won't happen. I think the bigger issue is that this mindset would worry me since they are 8 years old, this sounds an awful lot like coaches who draw up plays instead of coaching offensive football. I don't think that there is necessarily anything wrong with moving a talented kid around. We are unbalanced single wing. We had a really athletic 5th grader last year. On our 6th grade team, we played him at every backfield position except 3 back. We also played him at TE on passing down. On defense, he was primarily a corner but he also played linebacker and DE. I do think that every kid has to have a "home" but if you have a really special kid, I don't see a problem with making that kid a threat all over the field.
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Post by 42falcon on Aug 9, 2015 20:11:27 GMT -6
I can't believe the thread on a kids playing time in youth football made it to 2 pages........
1) you shouldn't have shared $hit with ur son about the team. Coach told u not ur kid..... 2) let ur kid play. If he's truly good enough he will play. Plus at this stage of the LTAD for youth sports it just matters that he plays not what string he is.
This is part of what leads to entitled teenagers who need to learn it's about others first not themselves. Have you talked with ur boy about how he could make the other kids on the team better? Maybe how he could help others run routes or encourage those not as adept as him? That's the real learning not if an 8 year old can run a post....
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Post by coachrobpsl on Aug 10, 2015 7:25:39 GMT -6
Putting him as the x at that age level seems to be a waste if he is the home run threat. How many times will a team of 9yo complete a pass to x in a game? How may times will they throw x the ball in a game? I want my home run threat to have the ball consistently. As far as learning 5 positions in the wing t that is absurd, especially if they are running more than one series. Sounds to me that there will be positional tells if they do that. Just because an org has produced national championships does not mean that all the coaches in that org know what they are doing. My org has produced a handful and the disparity of coaching know how is wide within the org.
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Post by hammer66 on Aug 10, 2015 8:24:09 GMT -6
Championships for Flag and 9 year olds that says it all...
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Post by 33coach on Aug 10, 2015 9:18:03 GMT -6
Putting him as the x at that age level seems to be a waste if he is the home run threat. How many times will a team of 9yo complete a pass to x in a game? How may times will they throw x the ball in a game? I want my home run threat to have the ball consistently. As far as learning 5 positions in the wing t that is absurd, especially if they are running more than one series. Sounds to me that there will be positional tells if they do that. Just because an org has produced national championships does not mean that all the coaches in that org know what they are doing. My org has produced a handful and the disparity of coaching know how is wide within the org. thats kind of my thought.... at the youth game (and even the HS game)...if you have "that kid" - give him 35 touches a game. let him carry you. dont assume that he will just come off the bench and score..
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Post by pirate1590 on Aug 13, 2015 20:40:17 GMT -6
5 positions in the WING T??? At 8 and 9???
Clearly, if that is true, these guys have NO IDEA what they are doing. I wont run the wing T with my kids until they are 10-11-12! Even then its watered down and we keep all kids minus our Wing who is our best player at one position,the wing plays running back in crunch time. If you do that on the line.....
This doesn't sound right, I cannot fathom someone trying to install that at 8-9! I learned to tie my shoes when I was 7! Criminy!
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Post by 33coach on Aug 13, 2015 20:53:18 GMT -6
5 positions in the WING T??? At 8 and 9??? Clearly, if that is true, these guys have NO IDEA what they are doing. I wont run the wing T with my kids until they are 10-11-12! Even then its watered down and we keep all kids minus our Wing who is our best player at one position,the wing plays running back in crunch time. If you do that on the line..... This doesn't sound right, I cannot fathom someone trying to install that at 8-9! I learned to tie my shoes when I was 7! Criminy! I've run the wing T at that level. It's fine. Just trying to teach a kid more then 1 position is damn near impossible
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Post by coachrobpsl on Aug 20, 2015 6:33:36 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with the wing t at younger levels. You just need to limit the amount of series you run. I have seen teams do well with the wing t with young kids.
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Post by coachjtm on Aug 25, 2015 15:42:00 GMT -6
Schemes in youth football are great. If they're simplified, kept easy to understand (they're not the same thing), broken down for the kids to learn and leave most of your time to learn the fundamentals. I'm not one that ascribes 8 years old as too young to play. It can be frustrating to coach young players and if your coach isn't in tune on how to break down his scheme (blocking, passing, tempo, whatever) to those kids it won't work. I would worry more about the staff trying to put your kid in 5 positions and learning that. He'll be running around trying to learn and execute plays instead of focusing on one job and getting better at the little things (footwork, hand offs, blocking, running proper routes, reading gaps, etc.).
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Post by claudius on Oct 15, 2015 11:04:51 GMT -6
I have been coaching PW for eight years. The vast majority of coaches know more than I do, I am still firmly in the learning process. Having coached children in your son's age group many times over the years the one thing that I can tell you is that being a great WR really won't matter in terms of 8 year old football. IMVHO he most important coach on an 8 year old team is the Offensive Line Coach (and frankly this is true in most youth football). 8 year old teams just don't throw the ball that often and when they do two out of three of the results are bad - turnover / dropped pass. Your child might be super athletic but if he can't block well in the eyes of the coach, then he just won't play much on offense.
Also, please take to heart the fact that being a youth football coach isn't easy. I personally spend at least eight hours on the field per week plus games on weekends, plus nights viewing tape and working on practice plans, etc. It is like having another full time job - except as part of it you are being a father figure to at least twenty five young men - or more.
I will say that my 13 year old is the fastest most dominant player on the team. This is not my opinion but the opinion of the other coaches. My son plays offensive line. Of the five coaches on the team, three of them have their kids on the offensive line - all the "better" players. We teach our kids that blocking well and tackling well are the two most important skills. We teach our kids that being on the O-line is a privilege. So long story short (1) let the coaches coach - if you want to influence, be a coach too and put in the time; (2) WR skills don't really mean much at your son's age group; (3) tell your son to keep plugging away at getting better at tackling and blocking and my bet, is that he will end up with a ton more playing time. I vote that he tells the coach he wants to play O-line. That may get him somewhere with a youth football coach.
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