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Post by ccscoach on Aug 31, 2015 20:23:10 GMT -6
Saw the trailer for this anyone else see this? A movie about the NFL covering up head trauma.
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 31, 2015 20:41:29 GMT -6
I'm mixed on it. It makes the NFL look bad, which it should, but I'm afraid people will continue to associate football with danger as a result.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 1, 2015 8:10:59 GMT -6
First thing I thought was "Oh great. As if it wasn't bad enough for us." Can't wait to see how negatively this impacts us in the hippie commune known as the Bay Area. I'm thinking about getting my certification in frisbee golf right now.
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Post by windigo on Sept 1, 2015 9:18:48 GMT -6
Its already been done
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 3, 2015 8:44:47 GMT -6
Yeah- initial reaction was "ohh lawd here we go..."
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Post by brophy on Sept 3, 2015 8:50:21 GMT -6
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Post by coachdbs on Sept 3, 2015 10:09:37 GMT -6
Really!? I am a football coach who loves the game and believes that its benefits far outweigh its drawbacks. However, the work that has been done recently to educate players, parents, coaches about concussions is a blessing. Our program lost a young man several years back (prior to current research and info on concussions) because he went back out and played after sustaining and not telling anyone about a concussion. I get that there is a big difference between 200-300+ pound men running full speed and hitting each other and 175-200+ lb teenagers or youth athletes doing the same. I don't think this film is saying all football is bad it is saying that the NFL tried to cover up the damage that can be done because of repeated concussions. I think it is fair to say that the NFL would still be covering this up if not for a small group of individuals who put a lot of pressure on them to admit the dangers of football at the NFL level. It is our job to educate the community that playing football is as safe as riding a bike if the proper precautions are taken, like having a qualified trainer on the sideline, teaching players/parents the signs of concussions, allowing the use of equipment that minimizes risk (local school district here just purchased and requires guardian caps for every player during practice). Feel free to hammer me on this one but remember I love the game and my own son has played since he was 7. I just want to know the risks and what can be done to minimize them!
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 3, 2015 18:53:13 GMT -6
You are looking at it logically and intelligently. The general public doesn't.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 4, 2015 8:44:28 GMT -6
I don't see it as being a movie aiming to educate the public of the risks involved in football and the steps we are taking, as coaches, to see a safer future for our kids. This movie seems to me like a cash grab to capitalize on the recent hysteria involved with concussions in football. It's a movie based on a scandalous cover up, not the cause and effect relationships of head trauma on young players. I may be proven wrong when I see it, but I don't think I will be.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 4, 2015 8:48:15 GMT -6
Really!? I am a football coach who loves the game and believes that its benefits far outweigh its drawbacks. However, the work that has been done recently to educate players, parents, coaches about concussions is a blessing. Our program lost a young man several years back (prior to current research and info on concussions) because he went back out and played after sustaining and not telling anyone about a concussion. I get that there is a big difference between 200-300+ pound men running full speed and hitting each other and 175-200+ lb teenagers or youth athletes doing the same. I don't think this film is saying all football is bad it is saying that the NFL tried to cover up the damage that can be done because of repeated concussions. I think it is fair to say that the NFL would still be covering this up if not for a small group of individuals who put a lot of pressure on them to admit the dangers of football at the NFL level. It is our job to educate the community that playing football is as safe as riding a bike if the proper precautions are taken, like having a qualified trainer on the sideline, teaching players/parents the signs of concussions, allowing the use of equipment that minimizes risk (local school district here just purchased and requires guardian caps for every player during practice). Feel free to hammer me on this one but remember I love the game and my own son has played since he was 7. I just want to know the risks and what can be done to minimize them! For the record, I love your stance on the educating of the public. It's one that we share. I was clueless when it came to concussions in football. When I played, I suffered a few for sure. I now know the signs of a concussion, the causes, the proper medical protocol, and the severity of the issue. I used to think kids were "pu$$ies" if they had concussions and didn't play through like I did. I know how wrong i was now. I pulled a kid from practice and sent him home immediately to get checked because I saw the symptoms and he's out for 2 weeks. Broke his heart not to play, but he understood the risks involved and that I wouldn't let him participate. We, as coaches, are soooooooo much better about this now than we used to be. It's BS the way this movie is going to paint our progressing sport. |
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 4, 2015 11:48:11 GMT -6
Have to respectfully disagree with dc. They've announced Bad Boys 3 AND 4, no way I'm not seeing those.
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Post by dubber on Sept 4, 2015 13:39:53 GMT -6
Willy's looking for an Oscar.....
I didn't watch the trailer, I won't watch the movie, and that's how it is.....
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Post by gian3074 on Sept 8, 2015 18:36:52 GMT -6
Media hysteria aside I think the NFL definitely had issues dealing with concussions. I know people say it was a job but some old players have stated in interviews that they never feared brain injuries--they were mostly fearful of knee and back injuries. Also, the PBS documentary League of Denial showed that the NFL knew about how head injuries could have long term impact but withheld the information from players intentionally. I agree that the media is overhyping the concussion issue but I can also say that the NFL did cover up the problems.
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 9, 2015 5:38:15 GMT -6
This is copied and pasted from the CDC website.
Each year in the United States, emergency departments treat more than 200,000 children ages 14 and younger for playground-related injuries (Tinsworth 2001).
Occurrence and Consequences
About 45% of playground-related injuries are severe–fractures, internal injuries, concussions, dislocations, and amputations (Tinsworth 2001).
About 75% of nonfatal injuries related to playground equipment occur on public playgrounds (Tinsworth 2001). Most occur at schools and daycare centers (Phelan 2001).
Between 1990 and 2000, 147 children ages 14 and younger died from playground-related injuries. Of them, 82 (56%) died from strangulation and 31 (20%) died from falls to the playground surface. Most of these deaths (70%) occurred on home playgrounds (Tinsworth 2001).
When I was in college we had to do presentations on legal questions in athletics. One girl did something on ephedrine and talked about how it should be banned because 20 people had died in the past 20-30 years. Then the next girl did something on playground safety. She gave the CDC number at the top. I raised my hand and said, "So 200,000 kids are sent to the ER every year because of playgrounds and 20 people have died in the last 20 years from ephedrine? Seems like we should be banning playgrounds." Nobody agreed.
For the record, my son has already been to the ER twice for the monkey bars and he is only 6. People don't care about facts. Football is hard and there are tons of people who would love an excuse for why they don't or their kids don't play. Kind of like all the people you know who didn't play because "they had bad knees."
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Post by silkyice on Sept 9, 2015 6:09:27 GMT -6
Football is hard and there are tons of people who would love an excuse for why they don't or their kids don't play. THIS!!!! A million times THIS! Football is not for everyone, and I am glad! |
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Post by CS on Sept 9, 2015 6:20:55 GMT -6
Have to respectfully disagree with dc. They've announced Bad Boys 3 AND 4, no way I'm not seeing those. Why?! So you can watch slick willy slow walk into every scene with a designer suit on? |
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Post by tedseay on Sept 9, 2015 6:44:15 GMT -6
I agree that the media is overhyping the concussion issue but I can also say that the NFL did cover up the problems. And while we're at it, let's take note (in a way the movie never will) of the role of ambulance-chasers in this whole sorry mess: |
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 9, 2015 6:50:52 GMT -6
Have to respectfully disagree with dc. They've announced Bad Boys 3 AND 4, no way I'm not seeing those. Why?! So you can watch slick willy slow walk into every scene with a designer suit on? You say that like it's a bad thing. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 9, 2015 10:02:13 GMT -6
Between this movie, targeting 2 refs, and the concussed Wisconsin player, our sport continues to get negative publicity.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 11, 2015 13:24:57 GMT -6
Between this movie, targeting 2 refs, and the concussed Wisconsin player, our sport continues to get negative publicity. We have a fundamental problem, and that is our sport is too big. The game was easier to change/control when it was all under a single banner and there were fewer clubs. Now you have 3 governing bodies, 50 state associations which are split into sub sections... No wonder change is slow, we cant even agree on what the rules should be! |
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 12, 2015 0:13:18 GMT -6
Between this movie, targeting 2 refs, and the concussed Wisconsin player, our sport continues to get negative publicity. No wonder change is slow, we cant even agree on what the rules should be! PRO CUT BLOCKING OR YOU'RE A D@MN COMMIE |
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