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Post by shotgunfivewide55 on Oct 3, 2015 20:38:54 GMT -6
thanks fcc74 and fantom, never heard that story about chamberlain
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 5:32:17 GMT -6
I like the story of Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain and the 20th Maine at Little Round Top at Gettysburg. On the second day of The Battle of Gettysburg the 20th was placed at the extreme left of the Union line and ordered to hold at all costs. If they were overrun the Confederates would then be able to roll up the entire Union line and the battle, and possibly the war, would be over. They dug themselves into a strong position and the Confederates began the attack. They repulsed the first attack and the second and the third but the Confederates kept regrouping and attacking again while the 20th held but kept losing men and ammo. Finally, Chamberlain reached the point where he didn't think that he had enough to hold when the Confederates came the next time. So, he did the logical thing: He ordered his men to fix bayonets and charge. The Confederates had had a tough fight, too. They'd been attacking uphill all day and they were exhausted. The surprise of the attack and the shock of the Union's downhill charge broke the Confederates. The Union left had held and the stage was set for the third day and Pickett's Charge. The lesson, when things are really tough be aggressive. lOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 5, 2015 11:51:51 GMT -6
This week I told the team about the battle of Normandy and how the allies landed and no one was going to pick them up. Landing craft go forward not back. If you want to get off the beach you do it together and you push forward. I explained how the battle of Dunkirk failed and they couldn;t get off the beach. We won 35-14. Get off the beach, push forward together. Dunkirk wasn't an amphibious invasion. It was the remnants of the British and French's attempt to stop the German's attack of France. They got backed onto the beach from their trying to defend Paris. They did eventually get off the beach as Churchill and the British rallied to rescue them with every vessel they could find with the Miracle at Dunkirk. Without it, the Allies probably don't win WW II.
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 5, 2015 16:21:07 GMT -6
Dunkirk was an amphibious retreat!
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Post by marinercoach1 on Oct 5, 2015 17:02:13 GMT -6
Might use this. Kinda fits since our league doesnt transport us to non league away games, We literally have no ships home lol
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 6, 2015 7:29:24 GMT -6
Might use this. Kinda fits since our league doesnt transport us to non league away games, We literally have no ships home lol Your conference provides you transportation to games?
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 6, 2015 7:29:42 GMT -6
Dunkirk was an amphibious retreat! True.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 6, 2015 11:02:40 GMT -6
Agree...I heard it with Cortez. The message is commitment...no turning back. Losing is not an option. If you want to get back home, you must win. I see that, but ..Losing IS an option. In fact, in situations where you are looking for this kind of motivational edge, losing is a very realistic if not probably outcome. From my personal experience as a player in a below average to weak program, hearing all that stuff and then losing really does just drive you deeper into the hole. "Loosing is not an option"...and you start 0-2. To a 15-18 year old kid, that is not necessarily easy to process. This. Sometimes we tend to forget that it doesn't take much for a teenager to shut down if they feel pressure, especially if they're playing on a very successful team or one that is not so successful. Several of our staff members have been tossing out phrases like "refuse to lose" and such all season long and you can see the toll it has taken on many of the kids. We lost to a team that was flat-out better than us in week two (bigger, faster, stronger, very well coached) and it took us two weeks to get the kids' heads back on right. They played four hard quarters of football that game but we had staff members that told them that it wasn't good enough because, apparently, chanting "refuse to lose" before a game should be good enough to get the W.... Practice the next week was horrendous because half of the team just shut down on us. Why work hard and be coachable when you've just left everything on the field against a superior opponent but didn't win?
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Post by silkyice on Oct 6, 2015 11:15:45 GMT -6
I see that, but ..Losing IS an option. In fact, in situations where you are looking for this kind of motivational edge, losing is a very realistic if not probably outcome. From my personal experience as a player in a below average to weak program, hearing all that stuff and then losing really does just drive you deeper into the hole. "Loosing is not an option"...and you start 0-2. To a 15-18 year old kid, that is not necessarily easy to process. This. Sometimes we tend to forget that it doesn't take much for a teenager to shut down if they feel pressure, especially if they're playing on a very successful team or one that is not so successful. Several of our staff members have been tossing out phrases like "refuse to lose" and such all season long and you can see the toll it has taken on many of the kids. We lost to a team that was flat-out better than us in week two (bigger, faster, stronger, very well coached) and it took us two weeks to get the kids' heads back on right. They played four hard quarters of football that game but we had staff members that told them that it wasn't good enough because, apparently, chanting "refuse to lose" before a game should be good enough to get the W.... Practice the next week was horrendous because half of the team just shut down on us. Why work hard and be coachable when you've just left everything on the field against a superior opponent but didn't win? Man, you are so wrong. It is all about who wants it the most! And what kind of pre-game speech you have. Or what your team slogan or mantra is. That is football. It has nothing to do with what kind of players or coaches you have or how they execute.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 6, 2015 11:27:42 GMT -6
This. Sometimes we tend to forget that it doesn't take much for a teenager to shut down if they feel pressure, especially if they're playing on a very successful team or one that is not so successful. Several of our staff members have been tossing out phrases like "refuse to lose" and such all season long and you can see the toll it has taken on many of the kids. We lost to a team that was flat-out better than us in week two (bigger, faster, stronger, very well coached) and it took us two weeks to get the kids' heads back on right. They played four hard quarters of football that game but we had staff members that told them that it wasn't good enough because, apparently, chanting "refuse to lose" before a game should be good enough to get the W.... Practice the next week was horrendous because half of the team just shut down on us. Why work hard and be coachable when you've just left everything on the field against a superior opponent but didn't win? Man, you are so wrong. It is all about who wants it the most! And what kind of pre-game speech you have. Or what your team slogan or mantra is. That is football. It has nothing to do with what kind of players or coaches you have or how they execute. Don't forget being creative!
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Post by 33coach on Oct 6, 2015 12:20:00 GMT -6
ive never been big on story telling, i feel like today's kids dont really connect much with it.
but i do love the story of the 20th Maine. lots of good lessons to be learned from the Civil War in general.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 6, 2015 12:21:13 GMT -6
This. Sometimes we tend to forget that it doesn't take much for a teenager to shut down if they feel pressure, especially if they're playing on a very successful team or one that is not so successful. Several of our staff members have been tossing out phrases like "refuse to lose" and such all season long and you can see the toll it has taken on many of the kids. We lost to a team that was flat-out better than us in week two (bigger, faster, stronger, very well coached) and it took us two weeks to get the kids' heads back on right. They played four hard quarters of football that game but we had staff members that told them that it wasn't good enough because, apparently, chanting "refuse to lose" before a game should be good enough to get the W.... Practice the next week was horrendous because half of the team just shut down on us. Why work hard and be coachable when you've just left everything on the field against a superior opponent but didn't win? Man, you are so wrong. It is all about who wants it the most! And what kind of pre-game speech you have. Or what your team slogan or mantra is. That is football. It has nothing to do with what kind of players or coaches you have or how they execute. you forgot the importance of pre-game music and chants! thats what wins games! HYPE!!!
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Post by coachcb on Oct 6, 2015 13:05:27 GMT -6
It goes the other way too.
Half of our staff puts up a list of quotes and cliches before each game ("WIN: What's Important Now") and most give some kind of pump up speech where they regale us with their glory days of high school football.. And everything comes down to winning. EVERYTHING.
We won a tight game on Saturday where we should have lost. The game came down to three downs: two turn-overs by them and a goal-line stand where their QB over-threw receivers by a mile. We played with little effort, we were undisciplined and we executed horribly. I was fuming after the game because of it; we didn't spend 15 minutes each day repping backside containment with our DEs and LBs to have them score twice on reverses.
The rest of the staff jumped around like a bunch of monkeys, patting each other on the back while I chewed off my tongue. We won and that's what counted for them. They talked up the kids after the game, continually emphasizing WIN, WIN, WIN... I congratulated the kids politely and told them to have a good weekend.
They got their butt chewing from me yesterday.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 6, 2015 13:22:56 GMT -6
It goes the other way too. Half of our staff puts up a list of quotes and cliches before each game ("WIN: What's Important Now") and most give some kind of pump up speech where they regale us with their glory days of high school football.. And everything comes down to winning. EVERYTHING. We won a tight game on Saturday where we should have lost. The game came down to three downs: two turn-overs by them and a goal-line stand where their QB over-threw receivers by a mile. We played with little effort, we were undisciplined and we executed horribly. I was fuming after the game because of it; we didn't spend 15 minutes each day repping backside containment with our DEs and LBs to have them score twice on reverses. The rest of the staff jumped around like a bunch of monkeys, patting each other on the back while I chewed off my tongue. We won and that's what counted for them. They talked up the kids after the game, continually emphasizing WIN, WIN, WIN... I congratulated the kids politely and told them to have a good weekend. They got their butt chewing from me yesterday. I agree with you on your sentiments of winning being the main emphasis, but it's what you get hired and fired for. Our idiot fans and some admins and most school boards don't give two craps if you're emphasizing doing the right things and being quality men and any of that. Ya, if you win and are doing that that's awesome. But do that and lose too many games and you're out of a job at 90% of schools in America. That's one of the things I hate the most about this sport and our profession.
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Post by fantom on Oct 6, 2015 13:25:47 GMT -6
It goes the other way too. Half of our staff puts up a list of quotes and cliches before each game ("WIN: What's Important Now") and most give some kind of pump up speech where they regale us with their glory days of high school football.. And everything comes down to winning. EVERYTHING. We won a tight game on Saturday where we should have lost. The game came down to three downs: two turn-overs by them and a goal-line stand where their QB over-threw receivers by a mile. We played with little effort, we were undisciplined and we executed horribly. I was fuming after the game because of it; we didn't spend 15 minutes each day repping backside containment with our DEs and LBs to have them score twice on reverses. The rest of the staff jumped around like a bunch of monkeys, patting each other on the back while I chewed off my tongue. We won and that's what counted for them. They talked up the kids after the game, continually emphasizing WIN, WIN, WIN... I congratulated the kids politely and told them to have a good weekend. They got their butt chewing from me yesterday. I don't completely agree with you on this. Sure, you can't get carried away with a win when you didn't play well but immediately after the game isn't the time to call them on it. In your post-game comments remind them that you still have work to do. Film session might nit be the celebration that they expected but don't completely kill the moment. If you feel the same way after a win that you do after a loss there won't be much enjoyment in this.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 6, 2015 13:49:53 GMT -6
I think his sentiment was that there are certainly wins where you feel worse than some losses because of your performance.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 6, 2015 13:54:01 GMT -6
ive never been big on story telling, i feel like today's kids dont really connect much with it. but i do love the story of the 20th Maine. lots of good lessons to be learned from the Civil War in general. Or when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 6, 2015 13:54:10 GMT -6
It goes the other way too. Half of our staff puts up a list of quotes and cliches before each game ("WIN: What's Important Now") and most give some kind of pump up speech where they regale us with their glory days of high school football.. And everything comes down to winning. EVERYTHING. We won a tight game on Saturday where we should have lost. The game came down to three downs: two turn-overs by them and a goal-line stand where their QB over-threw receivers by a mile. We played with little effort, we were undisciplined and we executed horribly. I was fuming after the game because of it; we didn't spend 15 minutes each day repping backside containment with our DEs and LBs to have them score twice on reverses. The rest of the staff jumped around like a bunch of monkeys, patting each other on the back while I chewed off my tongue. We won and that's what counted for them. They talked up the kids after the game, continually emphasizing WIN, WIN, WIN... I congratulated the kids politely and told them to have a good weekend. They got their butt chewing from me yesterday. I don't completely agree with you on this. Sure, you can't get carried away with a win when you didn't play well but immediately after the game isn't the time to call them on it. In your post-game comments remind them that you still have work to do. Film session might nit be the celebration that they expected but don't completely kill the moment. If you feel the same way after a win that you do after a loss there won't be much enjoyment in this. I didn't call them out on it after the game. I congratulated them on the win and told them to have a good weekend. I never call teams out on poor performances after a game; win or loss. That gets addressed when emotions aren't running high. I generally point out the few positive points I see in a game after a poor performance so that those guys that did the right things are recognized and it shows that there is something salvageable from the game. I didn't get a chance this time around because everyone was too busy patting themselves on the back for beating the Little Sisters Of The Poor by a score. My issue with this situation is the repercussions that come along with the mentality and we saw it yesterday at practice. The kids were not focused or ready to work because they've bought into the idea that the win is all that matters. And, they've bought into it because that's what the staff has impressed it upon them. The staff members that recognize the execution issues try to address them but end up with a fight on our hands because the other 90% of the team is saying "but we won coach!".
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Post by 33coach on Oct 6, 2015 13:58:04 GMT -6
ive never been big on story telling, i feel like today's kids dont really connect much with it. but i do love the story of the 20th Maine. lots of good lessons to be learned from the Civil War in general. Or when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Ah yes who could forget the blitz of pearl harbor when they were on their way to California.
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Post by marinercoach1 on Oct 6, 2015 15:30:23 GMT -6
Might use this. Kinda fits since our league doesnt transport us to non league away games, We literally have no ships home lol Your conference provides you transportation to games? Or let me re-word.. Our district doesnt fund buses unless they are League away games. Non league away games, youre on your own.
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Post by ccscoach on Oct 6, 2015 18:49:00 GMT -6
We don't give really good speeches pregame. Are motto is Do your what's right, Do your best, Do your job. Doesn't matter what the score is it doesn't matter who you play do those three thing and you'll be alright not just in football but in life.
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Post by dubber on Oct 6, 2015 20:26:33 GMT -6
My pregame speech to linebackers goes along the lines of this:
"You all are either going to get it done, or you're not. It's up to you."
What I think what is more important is that you have a report or understanding with your kids when challenges come along DURING the game.
That is when your positive energy can impact a game.
The idea is that eventually THEY are the ones driving that bus.....that's when you got leadership.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 6, 2015 20:42:26 GMT -6
My pregame speech to linebackers goes along the lines of this: "You all are either going to get it done, or you're not. It's up to you." Hmm...very similar to mine : "It is important not to suck today"
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 7, 2015 8:06:04 GMT -6
Mine is "We've put in the work, now let's carry all of it over. Set the edge. Set the tone. Don't survive the next 48, kill it." Kids have decided to break on "Kill" lol.
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Post by dubber on Oct 7, 2015 8:18:51 GMT -6
My pregame speech to linebackers goes along the lines of this: "You all are either going to get it done, or you're not. It's up to you." Hmm...very similar to mine : "It is important not to suck today" stolen
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Post by coachcb on Oct 7, 2015 8:20:40 GMT -6
My pregame speech to linebackers goes along the lines of this: "You all are either going to get it done, or you're not. It's up to you." What I think what is more important is that you have a report or understanding with your kids when challenges come along DURING the game. That is when your positive energy can impact a game. The idea is that eventually THEY are the ones driving that bus.....that's when you got leadership. That's the basis behind our pregame discussions as well. "You've been taught how to play the game, so go play it." We also try to read the kids' demeanor during the game as well and adjust our "rah-rah" accordingly. And by "rah-rah" I mean motivation with instruction... Doesn't do much good to call a time out on fourth and 1, drag your soap box out and say "we will chase perfection, gentlemen and, in the process, achieve greatness!" As a DC, our guys have one simple mantra: "Make 'em earn every yard they get". An offense may move the ball on us but we're alright as long as there's hats on the ball and people are getting knocked around.
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Post by dubber on Oct 7, 2015 11:46:09 GMT -6
The key to this stuff is:
1.) Your players understand what you are saying (don't take this for granted)
2.) Your players believe in what you are saying (don't take this for granted)
By that, you need short, powerful rallying points.
One of our's is "A&E". Every player in our program knows we focus on what we can control....attitude and effort. Play with a great, confident attitude and with tremendous effort and we will accept the outcome, no matter what.
Our entire JV season is spent chasing A&E......those kids learn it there.
When I ask them the one thing I care about, they all can answer: "A and E"
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