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Post by 33coach on Mar 25, 2016 12:46:49 GMT -6
i figured this would be the best place to put this thread, because i assume you guys see alot of the "dad" coaches in important positions on your teams.
for the past 3 seasons i have struggled to find quality coaches who have experience, so ive decided to get guys who are good teachers and try to turn them into football coaches (not an easy task im finding!). my biggest issue so far is getting them the important techniques and the fundamentals, without making their brains explode with super technical football stuff.
my first idea is to put together "football class" where we watch film, talk through it go through our schemes and develop them as football guys.
my second idea is to give them the fundamentals in "drill format" - where instead of explaining the whys and the detail - give them the drills - show them on the field how exactly to run them - when to run them - and what they "fix", and then set them loose. figuring that they will pick up the whys when we get into mixed-group work or team.
thoughts on which one is better?
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 25, 2016 12:59:24 GMT -6
i figured this would be the best place to put this thread, because i assume you guys see alot of the "dad" coaches in important positions on your teams. for the past 3 seasons i have struggled to find quality coaches who have experience, so ive decided to get guys who are good teachers and try to turn them into football coaches (not an easy task im finding!). my biggest issue so far is getting them the important techniques and the fundamentals, without making their brains explode with super technical football stuff. my first idea is to put together "football class" where we watch film, talk through it go through our schemes and develop them as football guys. my second idea is to give them the fundamentals in "drill format" - where instead of explaining the whys and the detail - give them the drills - show them on the field how exactly to run them - when to run them - and what they "fix", and then set them loose. figuring that they will pick up the whys when we get into mixed-group work or team. thoughts on which one is better? Both. They aren't going to learn things the same way as the other guys, so both have merit. That said, I think the second is the easier method and will likely have the most immediate impact, but won't necessarily help them 'get it' with the big picture. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 25, 2016 14:02:10 GMT -6
i figured this would be the best place to put this thread, because i assume you guys see alot of the "dad" coaches in important positions on your teams. for the past 3 seasons i have struggled to find quality coaches who have experience, so ive decided to get guys who are good teachers and try to turn them into football coaches (not an easy task im finding!). my biggest issue so far is getting them the important techniques and the fundamentals, without making their brains explode with super technical football stuff. my first idea is to put together "football class" where we watch film, talk through it go through our schemes and develop them as football guys. my second idea is to give them the fundamentals in "drill format" - where instead of explaining the whys and the detail - give them the drills - show them on the field how exactly to run them - when to run them - and what they "fix", and then set them loose. figuring that they will pick up the whys when we get into mixed-group work or team. thoughts on which one is better? Depends on the level of help you want to develop them for. The 1st idea is a top-down approach, giving them the big picture so they'll understand what's needed & why. The 2nd is a cookbook approach, which doesn't waste time on those who are not going to provide high level assistance anyway, but gives them the mechanics of what you want done. |
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Post by 33coach on Mar 25, 2016 14:10:38 GMT -6
i figured this would be the best place to put this thread, because i assume you guys see alot of the "dad" coaches in important positions on your teams. for the past 3 seasons i have struggled to find quality coaches who have experience, so ive decided to get guys who are good teachers and try to turn them into football coaches (not an easy task im finding!). my biggest issue so far is getting them the important techniques and the fundamentals, without making their brains explode with super technical football stuff. my first idea is to put together "football class" where we watch film, talk through it go through our schemes and develop them as football guys. my second idea is to give them the fundamentals in "drill format" - where instead of explaining the whys and the detail - give them the drills - show them on the field how exactly to run them - when to run them - and what they "fix", and then set them loose. figuring that they will pick up the whys when we get into mixed-group work or team. thoughts on which one is better? Depends on the level of help you want to develop them for. The 1st idea is a top-down approach, giving them the big picture so they'll understand what's needed & why. The 2nd is a cookbook approach, which doesn't waste time on those who are not going to provide high level assistance anyway, but gives them the mechanics of what you want done. for me, i just want them to be able to coach their position in the way we have scripted out. big picture is PROBABLY less important. the reality is, im going to have to hand over positions to guys who arnt football coaches - but are guys who are great teachers and have the respect of the kids. doing that scares me alittle bit... but the other option is to have 2 of us doing it again...and thats not really an option. |
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Post by paketterman on Mar 25, 2016 15:11:15 GMT -6
What we did my first year coaching (6 man) i was a JH coordinator and we had 3 coaches total, me, the HC and the DC. The high school started practicing a week before we did so everyday we split up depending on what day. (Offensive heavy, etc) and went to different positions with the coach during indy.
I went with the QBs, the DC went with the backs and the HC went with the line.
Same thing for defense, me to secondary, DC to Dline, and HC to LBs.
That helped a ton for being a first time sixman coach.
We also had coaches meetings leading up to the season and a summer camp as well. Because sometimes you just have to see players do it to learn.
Hope this helps!
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Post by paketterman on Mar 25, 2016 15:12:18 GMT -6
Just realized this was for youth ball. Same thing still. JH is still youth. Ahha
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Post by 33coach on Mar 25, 2016 16:24:23 GMT -6
Just realized this was for youth ball. Same thing still. JH is still youth. Ahha Technically any football that isn't University is still youth. |
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Post by paketterman on Mar 25, 2016 16:26:31 GMT -6
Just realized this was for youth ball. Same thing still. JH is still youth. Ahha Technically any football that isn't University is still youth. Valid point. |
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Post by klaby on Mar 25, 2016 16:40:44 GMT -6
I use both. Remember game day they need to know what you are talking about. learned the hard way, was talking to a group of dad coaches about trap, started talking about how we wanted to trap the 3 tech, and I looked out and every one was looking at me like I spoke Chinese. Finally one dad asked "what is a 3 tech". Up to that point we just gave them drills and a playbook....so for years they were teaching a system they did not understand...EMOL was another question...
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Post by blb on Mar 25, 2016 16:44:08 GMT -6
Just realized this was for youth ball. Same thing still. JH is still youth. Ahha Technically any football that isn't University is still youth.
I have to disagree.
Sports sponsored by school districts are "Interscholastic" which differ from "Youth" or "Little League" programs that are community-based.
May seem like semantics, "splitting hairs," or whatever, but there is a fundamental difference.
Interscholastic athletics have to be - or should be - educational, whereas "Youth" programs are more recreational in nature.
Not that there aren't lessons to be learned in the latter.
But in school-sponsored athletics there are more eligibility and training rules for participants, requirements for coaches, etc.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 25, 2016 17:02:42 GMT -6
I use both. Remember game day they need to know what you are talking about. learned the hard way, was talking to a group of dad coaches about trap, started talking about how we wanted to trap the 3 tech, and I looked out and every one was looking at me like I spoke Chinese. Finally one dad asked "what is a 3 tech". Up to that point we just gave them drills and a playbook....so for years they were teaching a system they did not understand...EMOL was another question... That's a valid point. Definitely something I'm looking at defining. My goal is to get them to a point where they understand our language and let them go. I just have to find an effective way to do that. I feel like it's twice as hard to teach a rookie coach then it is a rookie player. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 28, 2016 0:50:36 GMT -6
Technically any football that isn't University is still youth.
I have to disagree.
Sports sponsored by school districts are "Interscholastic" which differ from "Youth" or "Little League" programs that are community-based.
May seem like semantics, "splitting hairs," or whatever, but there is a fundamental difference.
Interscholastic athletics have to be - or should be - educational, whereas "Youth" programs are more recreational in nature.
Not that there aren't lessons to be learned in the latter.
But in school-sponsored athletics there are more eligibility and training rules for participants, requirements for coaches, etc.
In most of the world "youth" sports includes interscholastic competition. But since the great majority of American football is played in North America, I don't see a need to go by what the rest of the world says when we have the above usage so common here. However, usually I tend to write "children's" to avoid the ambiguity -- especially when I talk to people who are unfamiliar with most football. I say, "I coach children in football," rather than, "I coach youth" or "youths". Plus, because of the considerations blb wrote of, we can call non-scholastic sports participation even by teenagers "youth" to distinguish it from interscholastic competition. However, there are places where teams are associated with primary schools too, so it's not infallible. OTOH, when I write about "adult" football I'm excluding intercollegiate competition, although collegians would usually be considered adults. They just don't seem like it when you read some of the stories about the crazy developments by college students! |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 28, 2016 19:35:04 GMT -6
I use both. Remember game day they need to know what you are talking about. learned the hard way, was talking to a group of dad coaches about trap, started talking about how we wanted to trap the 3 tech, and I looked out and every one was looking at me like I spoke Chinese. Finally one dad asked "what is a 3 tech". Up to that point we just gave them drills and a playbook....so for years they were teaching a system they did not understand...EMOL was another question... That's a valid point. Definitely something I'm looking at defining. My goal is to get them to a point where they understand our language and let them go. I just have to find an effective way to do that. I feel like it's twice as hard to teach a rookie coach then it is a rookie player. Reverse engineer it. What do you need for them to be able to do for you, and when? In your particular situation, I think your second option will yield better results, although obviously doing both would be best. As has been mentioned here though, you don't know just how much the guys want to know about football. To be a bit sexist, think of it like going to help women decorate a house. Chances are you aren't going to really care much about the decore, the flow, blah blah..whatever (I don't know enough about it to even make a good example). Your job is to pick up the furniture and move it. If you want to learn more about the whys later, you can always ask, but since they will always be there to "coordinate" you, the immediate need you can fill for them is to pick up and move things. |
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Post by 60zgo on Apr 1, 2016 13:04:16 GMT -6
I have never coached youth football, but I have had to deal with this as a head coach at the high school level.
1. Teach in circuits when you can. An example would be tackling. Teach each coach a technique and have the players move through the circuit. You move from station to station hitting on those key words and coaching points.
2. Think group. Settle & Noose, Routes on Air, 7 on 7. Focus on the key words and coaching points. Even though you are coaching the kids you are really coaching the coaches.
3. Team. Team. And way more team. Early on forget about indo. Teach on the board and in team situations. Make sure you are coaching every play and using those key words, and coaching points. Use a script and provide coaching points on those scripts for the asst. coaches.
4. Show and tell. Sit each guy down and talk about the techniques you want to teach. Point him towards blogs, articles, cut-ups, youtube, whatever. Have a big staff meeting where each assistant teaches the entire staff the individual drills that he will be using everyday.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 4, 2016 7:40:09 GMT -6
When I teach my guys I use a broken down approach:
Let's say we're going over our spring offense install...
Friday- paper playbook with diagrams and an install calendar
Monday- HW to come up with 5 drills you'll use regularly
Wednesday- we meet and I will chalk talk it, then we Q&A any issues.
I then reiterate things that MUST be taught each day:
OL- lead step, stance, punch, skip pull, trap pull (we install power and belly day 1), combo blocking.
WR- slant to stalk (30 personnel regular form day 1-2), hitch, curl, vert
QB midline mesh and b-gap mesh, 3-step drop, avoid rusher
FB/WB- arrow routes, blocking technique, cut drills, ball security (FB- midline and belly mesh)
I send out via Hudl cut-ups of each play we're installing before we install them.
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Post by hammer66 on Apr 11, 2016 7:49:06 GMT -6
Second IDEA ...in my opinion. This is the time you wont be with them. They need to run the drill the way you need it done and how it fits into the scheme. You can teach them on the fly how it all fits together during team periods. Realistically they will be alone for maybe 15 mins or so. Hard to screw that up if you TEACH them the INDIVIDUAL drills. You cannot eliminate the individual portion it is too critical to the overall scheme. If they are great teachers they will get up to speed quickly.
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Post by coachrobpsl on Apr 18, 2016 14:45:26 GMT -6
If you are going to teach coaches how to coach the very first thing you need to do is to actually teach them how to coach. Most dads have no idea how to convey a message to a group of kids. There are tons of do's and don'ts. A biggie is to talk less and drill more. Youth coaches often need to learn to shut up, teach it in as small a time as possible in the simplest vocabulary possible while doing nothing to distract them like tossing a ball around in your hands(that is a biggie for the little guys). Knowing when to be serious and when you can loosen up, knowing to be yourself and not try to be something you are not, don't tell stories from back when you were the best player ever to walk the planet and could throw a football over that mountain. Keeping the kids attention is the hardest thing to do and not wasting time is the next hardest thing. Those two things are inseparable though.
Once they can teach effectively, I would teach them the fundies and EXACTLY how you want drills to be run. On day one of practice they have to be able to teach the fundies. X's and O's can come a little later but fundies need to be strong from the get go. Plus, in the youth game, for the most part, either the header or a coordinator if you have one can usually handle most of the scheme stuff. With all that said, I strongly feel the best coach should coach the oline. Either the header or the OC or maybe you have some great communicator that learns fast should be with the most important part of the team. I know you understand that 33, but others new to this youth ball thing often overlook the oline.
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Post by coachjtm on May 26, 2016 11:01:02 GMT -6
I've wondered about this alot. I'm a prototypical 'dad' coach. I figured if I was going to be out doing this as much as my kids I owed it to them to learn as much as I could. Our organization doesn't typically coach our coaches so I've done most of this on my own with Glazier and Nike clinics and being on here, dumcoach and listening to the Joe Daniel's podcasts; taking what I can and absorbing as much as I can.
I'd advocate to breaking it out. First year coaches should be taught to drill, drill, drill. Learn a little bit of philosophy as they go. We want to run to pass. We want to set up the counter. We want to control the edges and force plays to the middle etc.
Maybe then do a class for everything else in the 2nd year. Make sure that those guys you're investing all this time in are 1) going to be worth it, 2) can handle what your asking, 3) will execute what you need.
I'm moving to a new area and I may end up as a head coach and as such I may have to really quickly get up to speed on what these guys are doing and then get ready to put things out to my new staff.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 26, 2016 11:20:41 GMT -6
Second approach will solve your problem faster, and you can fill in the big picture stuff later. These games are usually won by the team that is less of a shitshow, barring the existence of a manchild, which can't be controlled. So make things as little of a shitshow as possible right away and you'll do better, then winning will make everything else easier.
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Post by hammer66 on May 27, 2016 10:39:33 GMT -6
Started Varsity spring ball this week. Have a volunteer helping out that is looking to get involved at a higher level only has JR high and youth experience. DAY one was a mess with him during INDY he would stop my drill after every rep and try to correct. I had to politely tell him we dont do things like that....then I had to be a bit firmer. Coming from an experienced position sometimes it is a backwards process that they dont understand.
My philosophy is this.
My INDY drills have to have a correlation to scheme. I coach the OL so I wont have them jumping over bags. We build into everything so I want them to do the drill right and understand why we do it. I also understand it wont be perfect at first I am looking to see that they know what to do and how to do it. Once they get that we have MONTHS to perfect it. Had to explain to him the philosophy of coaching at the back of the line. Dont stop drills its all about getting reps.
By the end of the week he had it down. Hoping by the end of next week I can cut him loose and let him run a drill by himself. Half the battle is getting them to understand that they may know what they know ...but they need to teach it the way you KNOW IT and want it.
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