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Post by klaby on Apr 10, 2016 16:32:55 GMT -6
So just heard a "QB expert" speak at a clinic. I don't want to use a name (trust me if you hear him speak you will know who it is)....he seemed to have some good ideas. But he Name dropped the whole time, bashed pretty much every other QB coach on the planet. Says he always tells the kids "listen to your coach"...but if you are going to openly bash everyone of your peers in a clinic, I find it hard to believe you don't bash the kids coach when he is one on one....And when I say bash, I mean BASH, pretty much every QB coach who doesn't teach EXACTLY what he does is a "freaking idiot"....seriously...
But what really has me pissed is one session was supposed to be Drills....he gave NO drills, in fact went so far as to say he doesn't give "away my secrets for free"!! Why speak at a damn clinic then? He showed a bunch of film of one of his "Names". Again some of what he said, though it was all over the place made some sense....
1st time I have ever been to a clinic and heard a guy speak, and just out right bash every other coach in his field?? Most guys respect others and just say "more than one way.....". Not this guy, and again a whole session that was billed as DRILLS! NOT ONE DAMN Drill. Even when coaches asked for examples he refused to give them....always said..."we can talk in private"..."too hard for me to explain in a short time".....
And the names he dropped were all 3rd tier guys, back ups, journey men... so I thought that odd....I mean if you are using these guys as examples of how great you are wouldn't you at least have 1 solid starter...1 top 15 guy? Anyway, just thought it in poor taste to bash all your peers like that.....
Wont be sending my kids his way anytime soon....
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Post by CS on Apr 10, 2016 17:42:57 GMT -6
Sounds like a giant doucher! But, honestly, aren't most QB coaches? I kid
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 10, 2016 18:12:43 GMT -6
I painstakingly digitized all of our old mini tapes and VHS, just so I could make this "highlight video" of our QB coach as a player.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 10, 2016 18:40:19 GMT -6
Pretty sure he posts on here regularly if it's who you are talking about maybe you could ask him some stuff here and get answers.
If it's the same guy I didn't think his stuff was too bad.
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Post by **** on Apr 11, 2016 5:19:16 GMT -6
Just buy his book. It's actually pretty good.
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Post by joris85 on Apr 11, 2016 5:46:01 GMT -6
To be honest, that does NOT sound like the one you see on here. There is no way he'll say he doesn't want to share any drill.
In fact, from time to time he even shares drills on this very board.
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Post by blb on Apr 11, 2016 5:59:15 GMT -6
"doesn't give away (his) secrets for free"?
He was getting paid to speak, wasn't he?
Make sure you communicate your complaints, especially how session was advertised as QB Drills and none were given, to clinic director.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 6:54:48 GMT -6
That guy is a genius compared to the LB clinic I sat through put on by Darryl Talley...waste of money and time...
Duece
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Post by John Knight on Apr 11, 2016 7:13:50 GMT -6
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Post by **** on Apr 11, 2016 7:16:51 GMT -6
That guy is a genius compared to the LB clinic I sat through put on by Darryl Talley...waste of money and time... Duece I never seem to learn much from the pro guys at clinics. It's funny how football innovation is backwards compared to most other things. A lot of things trickle upwards from HS to College to Pro. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Nothing against the pro guys, they obviously know their stuff, but I can't think of a time I sat in on a NFL guys clinic and had my mind blown. When I heard Bruce Cobleigh speak at a clinic this year I took like 15 pages of notes.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 11, 2016 7:30:38 GMT -6
That guy is a genius compared to the LB clinic I sat through put on by Darryl Talley...waste of money and time... Duece I never seem to learn much from the pro guys at clinics. It's funny how football innovation is backwards compared to most other things. A lot of things trickle upwards from HS to College to Pro. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Nothing against the pro guys, they obviously know their stuff, but I can't think of a time I sat in on a NFL guys clinic and had my mind blown. When I heard Bruce Cobleigh speak at a clinic this year I took like 15 pages of notes. What a great point!!!
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Post by John Knight on Apr 11, 2016 7:59:54 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on Apr 11, 2016 8:33:12 GMT -6
I have heard a lot of guys say that high school coaches are much better clinic speakers because you get stuff you can use. I was at a clinic once where an OL coach spoke for 40 minutes on using a line painter to paint trap paths. He even demonstrated how he put the can of paint in the liner and pushed it. It was the funniest thing I had ever seen especially since he was as serious as a heart attack! Thank God they had wings and BBQ at the clinic.
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Post by klaby on Apr 11, 2016 9:21:14 GMT -6
He doesn't have a book....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 10:45:35 GMT -6
No I didn't know that, and had I did, I probably wouldn't have paid money to hear him speak... Duece
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Post by mnike23 on Apr 11, 2016 10:50:26 GMT -6
That guy is a genius compared to the LB clinic I sat through put on by Darryl Talley...waste of money and time... Duece I never seem to learn much from the pro guys at clinics. It's funny how football innovation is backwards compared to most other things. A lot of things trickle upwards from HS to College to Pro. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Nothing against the pro guys, they obviously know their stuff, but I can't think of a time I sat in on a NFL guys clinic and had my mind blown. When I heard Bruce Cobleigh speak at a clinic this year I took like 15 pages of notes. pro guys that are former players, normally were so freaking athletic in high school that it was easy to beat_______ at whatever they did. college guy alot of the times are scared to give away pure trade secrets, so its vague and vanilla. high school guy knows jimmies n joes is what makes his team go, x and o mean a little, so he gives it all away and says, you still got to beat us with your lesser talent. now the 1 qb guy I would listen too everytime he spoke, DS. heard him 2 weekends in a row, was exactly the same thing, but DAM it was and still is good. top notch speaker, great drills and will give you everything he has.
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Post by 33coach on Apr 11, 2016 10:54:55 GMT -6
He doesn't have a book.... now im REALLY curious who this is. claims to be an expert, doesnt have a book. name drops.....hmmmmm name rhymes with............?
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Post by godandgus on Apr 20, 2016 10:59:09 GMT -6
Mike Leach, GREAT COACH and I follow him, love the guy. Saw him at a clinic and it was right after lunch. He has that monotone voice and seems so bored . He put me to sleep, (I was a young punk then too!!) The first drill he put up, he rambles, and puts his qb on the right hash, wide out on left numbers and runs the 10 yard out. Well I do the math and it is a 40 yard out route. Well he!! my qb can't throw that, and Leach can't keep me awake, my fault not his.
Ted Kempski-Deleware wing T- I am a wing T fool. LLLLOOOOVVVVEEEE it, same thing, thought I was going to listen to God himself and he put me to sleep. Again, young punk, my fault not his.
Best Glen McNew, Rich Aderli, Alex Gibbs
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Post by **** on Apr 21, 2016 9:18:56 GMT -6
Best Glen McNew, Rich Aderli, Alex Gibbs Glen McNew is pretty good. His defense is different than anything I had every seen before.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 21, 2016 9:30:24 GMT -6
A clinic speaker that won't talk about drills isn't worth the time or the money.
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Post by 33coach on Apr 21, 2016 10:02:22 GMT -6
A clinic speaker that won't talk about drills isn't worth the time or the money. more and more, this is how ive been...i want to hear about practice routines, scheduling, and drill sets. not just A drill..but how the drill fits into the program as a whole.
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Post by olinedude on Apr 21, 2016 11:35:42 GMT -6
That guy is a genius compared to the LB clinic I sat through put on by Darryl Talley...waste of money and time... Duece I never seem to learn much from the pro guys at clinics. It's funny how football innovation is backwards compared to most other things. A lot of things trickle upwards from HS to College to Pro. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Nothing against the pro guys, they obviously know their stuff, but I can't think of a time I sat in on a NFL guys clinic and had my mind blown. When I heard Bruce Cobleigh speak at a clinic this year I took like 15 pages of notes. The Baylor coaching staff openly says this. High School coaches spend their time trying to figure out how to use what they have to wins, and that leads to innovation. The higher you go the less you innovate and the more you try to lure in the best talent.
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Post by 33coach on Apr 21, 2016 11:40:39 GMT -6
I never seem to learn much from the pro guys at clinics. It's funny how football innovation is backwards compared to most other things. A lot of things trickle upwards from HS to College to Pro. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Nothing against the pro guys, they obviously know their stuff, but I can't think of a time I sat in on a NFL guys clinic and had my mind blown. When I heard Bruce Cobleigh speak at a clinic this year I took like 15 pages of notes. The Baylor coaching staff openly says this. High School coaches spend their time trying to figure out how to use what they have to wins, and that leads to innovation. The higher you go the less you innovate and the more you try to lure in the best talent. well yea, thats the major difference is we cant seek out talent..... if they took away recruiting from universities you would see the same kind of thing that goes on at the HS level. which...actually would be REALLY interesting..would Bama be such a power house if they could only use athletes they went to their school without influence?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 11:49:08 GMT -6
I never seem to learn much from the pro guys at clinics. It's funny how football innovation is backwards compared to most other things. A lot of things trickle upwards from HS to College to Pro. You'd think it'd be the other way around. Nothing against the pro guys, they obviously know their stuff, but I can't think of a time I sat in on a NFL guys clinic and had my mind blown. When I heard Bruce Cobleigh speak at a clinic this year I took like 15 pages of notes. The Baylor coaching staff openly says this. High School coaches spend their time trying to figure out how to use what they have to wins, and that leads to innovation. The higher you go the less you innovate and the more you try to lure in the best talent. This is why you don't clinic at Ohio State or Florida. You go to Georgia Tech, or Iowa. Places that compete on a regular basis with lesser talent. Been doing it for years and I've gotten a lot of info. from those guys. Where do you think TGOG came from? Duece
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2016 12:02:12 GMT -6
When it comes to NFL speakers I guess it depends what you're there for. I've never heard an NFL OL coach speak without coming away with something. A defensive guy who comes to mind is Dave Merritt from the Giants who did a great job talking about zone blitz coverage. Offensive scheme-wise? I'm not there for an offensive scheme.
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Post by gibbs72 on Apr 21, 2016 12:22:29 GMT -6
I've always come away with good notes on drills, techniques, and fundamentals from pro OL, DL, and LB coaches. They seem to have ideas and drills that best apply to the high school level no matter the scheme being run.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 21, 2016 17:05:01 GMT -6
Along the same lines, I took my kid (8th grade) to Russell Wilson's football camp last summer. It was awful. Way too many kids, not enough coaches. Started about 45 minutes late. Supposed to be a morning session and an afternoon session. The morning session was OK, I guess. Lunch ran long and then Wilson gave a "motivational" speech. Well, before his big "speech", he spent a half hour playing music and having kids come up and dance in front of the rest of the campers. Then he gave his big speech..standard, canned stuff. Nothing memorable at all. By the time he was done, there wasn't enough time for the 2nd session and they didn't even have it.
Basically, for $300, my kid got an autographed picture with Russell Wilson. Never again will I send my kid to a pro athlete's camp. It was terrible. I felt so bad for my kid afterwards...he was really disappointed and knew that his time had been wasted.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 21, 2016 18:30:54 GMT -6
Along the same lines, I took my kid (8th grade) to Russell Wilson's football camp last summer. It was awful. Way too many kids, not enough coaches. Started about 45 minutes late. Supposed to be a morning session and an afternoon session. The morning session was OK, I guess. Lunch ran long and then Wilson gave a "motivational" speech. Well, before his big "speech", he spent a half hour playing music and having kids come up and dance in front of the rest of the campers. Then he gave his big speech..standard, canned stuff. Nothing memorable at all. By the time he was done, there wasn't enough time for the 2nd session and they didn't even have it. Basically, for $300, my kid got an autographed picture with Russell Wilson. Never again will I send my kid to a pro athlete's camp. It was terrible. I felt so bad for my kid afterwards...he was really disappointed and knew that his time had been wasted. Just an FYI...the Manning Passing Academy is absolutely NOT like that.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 22, 2016 8:10:58 GMT -6
A clinic speaker that won't talk about drills isn't worth the time or the money. more and more, this is how ive been...i want to hear about practice routines, scheduling, and drill sets. not just A drill..but how the drill fits into the program as a whole. The best speaker I have ever seen was a DL coach at a D3 school. He broke down DE play to the most minute details, practice videos of skills being taught, clips from games, demonstrations and incredible explanations and demonstrations. Everything from pass rushing, to handling pullers, to attacking option, "long-sticking" in zone blitzes etc..etc.. He took an hour and a half to thoroughly discuss exactly what he expects to see out of his DEs and we all took a lot away from it.
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Post by bdoublep on Apr 22, 2016 12:48:22 GMT -6
I worked a camp years ago that was sponsored by a NFL offensive lineman. It was a disaster and he gave one speech to the kids about nutrition. And I quote "Don't eat fried chicken if you want to be in shape. It is good but don't eat it." He then rambled a bit with a huge dip in his mouth the whole time......very good player on a Super Bowl winning team! The lead coach was an older gentleman from a local high school that had a very good program. He started the first drill by telling the kids you have to be a good waist bender.....I almost fell over!
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