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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 11, 2017 15:00:46 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the app to come out where parents, administrators, and booster club members can chime in on the next play call. It will be in real-time as well so the coach can get instant feedback, this will allow him to appease all stakeholders involved before calling the next play so that he cannot be the sole reason the team lost! Think about coaches, we can never be blamed again! This may be the next big thing in coaching, should I patent it? On a serious note, when coachd5085 speaks, I listen Now I'm curious to know if you could indeed make use of the wisdom of crowds here. If you got a big enough group would the crazy average out?
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Post by blb on Feb 11, 2017 15:03:36 GMT -6
Perhaps redcoach's school needs to consider going to 8-man Football (if Ohio has it).
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Post by seabass on Feb 11, 2017 15:04:27 GMT -6
You can say stupid stuff like that about everything. However if you did the kind of work that contractors do for a living you would know that it does hold water. When I hire a person to do a job for me I do so under the premise that they can do it better than me. I don't hire them then tell them how to do their job.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 11, 2017 15:10:49 GMT -6
Ok I understand what your saying. But the people on the school board are parents, the AD is a parent, the school administrator is a parent (they all have kids in the school). I have talked with them and they have told me that they don't have the answers. Everyone on the school board has full time jobs a way from the school. Everyone I have talked to doesn't like what is going on from the AD to the school board but they don't know how to fix it. So this is what they are tell me.
All of them feel that we just need a good HC to come in and get the program back on track. The only way they know to do that is to offer a teaching position to a teaching coach. They feel as long as we keep getting non teaching coaches we will not get a good HC.
This has lead me and others to look into what we can do. Because the school board has looked at us (the communiuty) and has said "We know there is a problem, do you have any answers?"
So yes I have been looking for answers to take back to the board. I know in a perfect world the people at the top have all the answers and can fix all the problems without any help or assistance from anyone, but I don't live in that world.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 11, 2017 15:13:10 GMT -6
Perhaps redcoach 's school needs to consider going to 8-man Football (if Ohio has it). That is something that we have looked into, but there isn't any schools close to us doing it yet. However we are keeping an eye on 8 man football to see what all happens with it in Ohio. But we still need a program
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Post by coachchambers on Feb 11, 2017 15:24:56 GMT -6
28 teachers in a 6-12 school in the upper middle western ohio. a local is the only one that has any sense to apply for that job. nobody from florida, texas, alabama, california, georgia, is applying for that. maybe someone from dayton, fort wayne, muncie, lima, toledo would apply as a last resort, getting back in the game, stepping stone. but seriously, its cold as hell there and not much if anything to do. winters suck, summer is like 8 weeks, its grey from october to april. it snows in march sometimes. your school is 96.7% white golf is your best sport its ok. not every school where i coach is good at football either. I was the HC at a school with 3800 kids but 88% hispanic and my last fall as HC I ended with 28 kids on varsity( less than 10% of the boys(1600 boys). we won 6 games in 3 years, made the school more money in 3 seasons than they had in 25 yrs, new uniforms, new wt room, new, new, new, new, but JIMMIES N JOES matter....my 2nd year we had 1 kid over 6ft tall at a skill position.... feeder program has over 500 kids in it. but they dont like high school football....why, its hard, you have to come to summer workouts, you have to come on saturday, you have to be committed. there is no guarantee to play rules, coach yells, coach doesnt like me, etc.etc.etc.etc... red, football is not your guys thing. and your not the AD. let themm pick the coach. its not your job. drive the bus. Hey boss Ohio is not that bad lol
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Post by 42falcon on Feb 11, 2017 15:25:24 GMT -6
Ok I understand what your saying. But the people on the school board are parents, the AD is a parent, the school administrator is a parent (they all have kids in the school). I have talked with them and they have told me that they don't have the answers. Everyone on the school board has full time jobs a way from the school. Everyone I have talked to doesn't like what is going on from the AD to the school board but they don't know how to fix it. So this is what they are tell me. All of them feel that we just need a good HC to come in and get the program back on track. The only way they know to do that is to offer a teaching position to a teaching coach. They feel as long as we keep getting non teaching coaches we will not get a good HC. This has lead me and others to look into what we can do. Because the school board has looked at us (the communiuty) and has said "We know there is a problem, do you have any answers?" So yes I have been looking for answers to take back to the board. I know in a perfect world the people at the top have all the answers and can fix all the problems without any help or assistance from anyone, but I don't live in that world. Your AD & Admin are 100% right. The solution is a teacher coach. Till you do that you won't find your answer long term. You will find a short term solution but you will never have a program.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 11, 2017 15:33:53 GMT -6
The solution is this:
Teacher coach like your school board wants. Needs to be a young guy that relates to kids. He needs to be high energy. His staff needs to be high energy.
Then, the community needs to support him. This is done by:
1. Shut the phuc up and let him run his show. Unless the kids' safety is at risk let him run his program.
2. Don't expect to win year 1, or 2. Maybe not even until year 4.
3. Financial support. If the program is fundraising, support the program.
4. Admin needs to get on board with ideas. I once didn't get a HC job because team GPA was garbage. Studs couldn't play due to eligibility. I talked about implementing a mandatory study hall to help with grades. That didn't fly well so I didn't get the job. I also wanted a focused leadership program for my players, which they also thought was weird. I have a guy on the inside who said this is why I didn't get it.
They are still averaging 2 wins a year.
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Post by blb on Feb 11, 2017 15:50:31 GMT -6
Even if red's district hires a teacher-head coach:
That won't be enough.
He'd have to have assistant coaches that aren't just "daddy coaches" or up from Pop Warner or other Youth Leagues (no offense to either).
From his earlier posts that's what they've had, and hasn't worked well.
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Post by coachchambers on Feb 11, 2017 16:11:32 GMT -6
The N10 is pound for pound the weakest conference in Ohio. Wynford runs things and everyone else fights to be the least garbage team. It would be very easy for a coach to come in and compete in this conference.
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Post by 53 on Feb 11, 2017 17:43:27 GMT -6
Does your town not have a parks and rec or a county job to put a coach in till a teaching job opens.
There's a lot of ways to be creative to get a coach in if you're willing to do what it takes to win
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2017 17:47:29 GMT -6
Does your town not have a parks and rec or a county job to put a coach in till a teaching job opens. There's a lot of ways to be creative to get a coach in if you're willing to do what it takes to win en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morral,_Ohio
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Post by redcoach on Feb 11, 2017 17:50:35 GMT -6
LOL thanks fantom that was funny because all you did was post the link and let it do the talking.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2017 13:49:32 GMT -6
Another example lest say a school has the power I for their youth program, middle school and high school and its been that way for years. Now the HC leaves and they need a new HC but they want a HC that runs the Power I. If that is what they want then that is what they want. It is their choice and they are paying the person who takes the job. Now no one has to take the job.Congratulations. In the case of your community, mission accomplished.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 12, 2017 15:28:00 GMT -6
That isn't our problem, our problem is that we can't pay a coach more then 5K a year, because we don't have any other job openings. Plus we don't really have a program, no weight lifting program, no real assistant coaches, and the feeder programs aren't on the same page.
So it will take someone coming in and willing to build our program back up from scratch basically. Now who wants to take that job for only 5k a year? This is why we can't get a real coach.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 12, 2017 16:28:33 GMT -6
Ok so it's not a great situation. What if you had a caretaker? Someone willing to do his best to run a decent program until you can sort out a job?
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Post by fcboiler87 on Feb 12, 2017 18:17:43 GMT -6
If you school and/or school board really cared, they'd create a PE/weights position and then hire a football coach to fill it. Then require all of your athletes regardless of sport to be in there. Sounds like it's more than your football program and if given time, this is the best scenario for your entire school's athletic department. Good luck because it looks like you're going to need it.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Feb 12, 2017 18:53:54 GMT -6
Perhaps redcoach's school needs to consider going to 8-man Football (if Ohio has it). Starting to happen with some schools here. Seen where I believe St. Wendelin, Open Dorr Christian, and Toledo Horizon Science Academy have at least played 8 man teams. The Division VII in OH, is interesting. Those schools are comparable to the 8 man programs you see in states like Arizona. Comparable size if not smaller to Heber Mogollon, St. David, Bagdad, Patagonia, and Valley Union. A lot of talk in Ohio about co-op or combining school districts to keep OH 11 an man haven. Would be interesting to see how 8 man would play out here, especially with all the charter schools opening up in Cleveland, Toledo, Cincinnati and if those schools would jump into the 8 man fray.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2017 18:57:09 GMT -6
If you school and/or school board really cared, they'd create a PE/weights position and then hire a football coach to fill it. Then require all of your athletes regardless of sport to be in there. Sounds like it's more than your football program and if given time, this is the best scenario for your entire school's athletic department. Good luck because it looks like you're going to need it. The problem is--some districts, especially less populated districts, may not have the financial ability to just "create a position" Particularly one just to cover a weights as opposed to a more academically oriented position.
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Post by bobdoc78 on Feb 12, 2017 19:12:41 GMT -6
What happened to "Culture defeats strategy"
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Post by vanden48 on Feb 12, 2017 20:00:40 GMT -6
We have all kinds of problems and none of the last 4 coaches that was allowed to run things their way has fixed any of them. Everyone one I talk to in person and on the internet can pick on this and that. The point out things that are wrong, which I could make a list that went on and on, but most of that falls on the head coach. Because at our school we have let them run things their way, but its not working. Everything I try to think of or do, everyone is quick to say they wont work. But no one is coming up with things to help, no one else is stepping up to the plate. I not the kind of person that gives up on things, I'm not going to give up on our school, program, or kids. Some not all but some people in our community just feel nothing will work. But put the right person/coach/leader in the role that will get to know the kids - Who will recruit with in the school - Who will work with boys - Who will implement a good weight lifting program. - Who will put the right kids in the right spot. - Who will use a blocking scheme that our smaller lineman can execute. - Who will run an offense that our less skilled backs can run. - Who will work with the Jr High and Youth Programs - Who will stick it out and be in it for the long run - Who will be a leader and set the example This is the kind of coach we need not a cocky guy that just say I will do what I want.None of those problems you listed has much to do with scheme. The school I just came to told me that nobody in the state runs a spread offense, you have to run to win. Problem had nothing to do with the scheme of the last coach, they didn't do any of the things you have listed above. When we took it over, we did all the things you listed above and more. But it all started with making the weight room and summer training not just there but something important that our program was based off of. Just look for a coach that is willing to put the work and time in, if he is going to run 100 QB sneaks a game out of the pistol, that is fine. Let him do his thing as long as he is doing all of the off-field stuff.
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Post by dbeck84 on Feb 13, 2017 8:29:46 GMT -6
I've read this entire thread and the question I still have is why hasn't there been a teaching opening in the past 12 years? I understand you may not have a teaching position to offer for a coach right now, but it seems this has been an ongoing problem. Doesn't anyone every retire/move/get fired? What do your PE/Drivers Ed. teachers do?
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 13, 2017 9:17:09 GMT -6
Does your town not have a parks and rec or a county job to put a coach in till a teaching job opens. There's a lot of ways to be creative to get a coach in if you're willing to do what it takes to win en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morral,_Ohio nobody leaves because of this reason right here. 338 kids in the school what is your class size? 10/11? why in the heck would you want to leave? make as much $$ as a teacher that everyone else in 25-50 student classes(electives) and a full 1/3rd less problems. im sure all the kids are pretty respectfull. i say, you do kids. yes sir, no sir kids. I wouldnt leave either. and its not a community. wiki page designates it as a village, they wont create another section of PE or drivers ed, becuase how many kids would be in there? 5, 6? wtf is the point. to pay a football coach yes I get it. but no its not happening. the nation will know how many jobs will be available in about 6 weeks. FTE for next fall is going on right now. the budgets will be done in middle march, early april. ive said it, its been said, over and over and over and over. its not scheme, its not the boss. it is the clientel. its the kids running the offense, defense, specials. you cant make chicken salad out of chicken chit....its just not going to happen..... nick saban isnt making ridgeville a winner. although i bet he can recruit some kids to come play there. lmao. and with 22 kids on the team. you dont need a coaching staff. you need 1 guy. and thats it... hell, i coached 1 year with a former high school player and 1 other coach and we had 56 kids. and won 5 games..... jimmies n joes. thats all
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Post by jbutch17 on Feb 13, 2017 9:19:35 GMT -6
This is a tough job, seriously is, I had it.
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Post by jbutch17 on Feb 13, 2017 9:41:24 GMT -6
You all haven't been living here sitting on the side lines watching and going through what we have the the past 8 years. You all don't have up and coming kids that will be going through this program if you want to call it that. So you can poke fun all you want, but we have been living it and still are. Not everyone how takes a HC job is a coach. However when they don't do their job and you complain to the school board and or AD and they say sorry its all we can get for now, because we can't pay a full time coach and we have no teaching positions open. So after years of the same old song and dace you do one of two things, through in the towel, or step up and find out what you can do to help. Now yes we could and some may feel we should vote the school board out and try and fix the whole thing from the top down. But no mater what we still don't have the money to pay a full time coach and we don't have a teaching position open. Plus the school board could pressure whoever it is as the HC to do the things they want done, but if he quits or gets fired who is taking his spot? Like I said it has came down to the end of July, beginning of Aug before finding someone to take the HC job. One year they couldn't find anyone so a School Board member stepped up so that the team would have someone as a HC. So you take what you get or you step up and find out what all you can do to help the program. Do I have all the answers? No Which is why I came to this website, and have been doing all kinds of researching. But I can say that I care more about this school and these kids, to not just sit around making jokes, saying its pointless, its in the genes, give up and walk away. I really want to help them or I wouldn't be here putting up with people cracking jokes and poking fun or wasting hours on hours researching all I could about everything when it comes to a football program. I agree that a good coach should have the freedom to do things as he sees fit, But we haven't had a coach like that in years. A lot of coaches on here have been apart of terrible programs, we do know what you have seen for 8 years. I was at THIS SCHOOL for 1 or 2 of these 8 and this guy isn't painting the community he's hoping to help in a very good light. I was there during their affiliation with the better of the 2 Conferences that they've recently been a part of. I'm not going to air a ton of dirty laundry about that place, but I will say that the glory years of the program had more to do with the studs walking the halls than anything else.
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Post by jbutch17 on Feb 13, 2017 9:51:48 GMT -6
How hard has the administration tried to recruit a coach? It was mentioned earlier that the vacancy hasn't been posted and that Maxpreps still says that you already have a coach. How would anybody know to even inquire? Has admin sent vacancy notices to neighboring schools to see if one of their assistants wants the job? If we've been joking here it's because, not speaking for others but, to me none of this makes any sense. I kind of wonder if the "last" HC even knows there's a vacancy yet. He does he's on (or had been on) the school board
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Post by CoachHess on Feb 13, 2017 11:45:17 GMT -6
Sorry spos21ram but yes I do feel that I could do a better job then the coaches that we have been getting. Am I talking about taking a team to the playoffs or winning all kinds of games? No. What I'm talking about is doing all the other things that need to be done when building a program that has not been getting done at our school in a very long time. Now do I feel that I can do a better job then the coaches on these forums. NO Just because someone takes a HC position doesn't make him a coach, but you defend him with out seeing what all he has done/not done. Which is worse complaining that you need someone else to fill a job because the last few people didn't do their job. Oh and saying that you want someone that can do X, Y, Z? If I go to build a deck for someone and they say they want it this way, but I say well it would be better if you did this. What way should it be done? The way the customer wants it. Another example lest say a school has the power I for their youth program, middle school and high school and its been that way for years. Now the HC leaves and they need a new HC but they want a HC that runs the Power I. If that is what they want then that is what they want. It is their choice and they are paying the person who takes the job. Now no one has to take the job. People are aloud to say if you come work for me I want you to do this. I work on houses and I get it all the time. They want what they want I can see if they would like to do it a different way and if not I can do what they want or not take the job. So even though I know what I'm doing I get told that they want it there way all the time. So I guess a school or state shouldn't say to a teacher I want you to teach subject X this way. Because I get told buy my kids teachers that the way they are teaching my kids is that they have to go by, even though they them selves my not like teaching it the new way. What I'm getting at is all or most jobs are that way. You as a coach may want the freedom to do as you want. I know I would like the freedom to do my work the way I want. However that isn't always the case. Am I or the teacher suppose to get upset and say that is a slap in our face, because they are acting like we don't know what we are doing? This. This is what is wrong with all of this. You, as the parent and customer, should get it exactly as you want it. Because you said so. This is so incredibly wrong of how athletics work. I've spent a decade in the wing-t, will be traveling this summer to help install it for schools around the country, have family and friends not far from your part of Ohio, played my college ball in central Ohio. I'd rather sell ketchup popsicles to a woman in white gloves than work at the school you speak.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 13, 2017 12:04:10 GMT -6
The more I hear from all of you the more I really feel that its going to take someone in our community that really cares about our school and the kids to turn this program around. Now that may have to happen in one of a few different ways or it may take more then just one. I have been listening and taking notes on everything you all have been saying, well minus the walk away/move/take your kids to a different school/its never going to change commits that is. So I now have some questions to start asking and we will see what happens.
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Post by dbeck84 on Feb 13, 2017 12:08:45 GMT -6
The more I hear from all of you the more I really feel that its going to take someone in our community that really cares about our school and the kids to turn this program around. Now that may have to happen in one of a few different ways or it may take more then just one. I have been listening and taking notes on everything you all have been saying, well minus the walk away/move/take your kids to a different school/its never going to change commits that is. So I now have some questions to start asking and we will see what happens. You're not hearing a word that anyone is saying. It's not going to take someone from the community who really cares. It's going to take a school board and administration that really cares. Until these people make athletics a priority, the situation isn't going to change.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 13, 2017 12:24:41 GMT -6
Who do you think we are going to go to with our list of questions and concerns to see what they tell us and what they are willing/can do about them?
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