|
|
Post by cwaltsmith on Feb 15, 2017 12:25:32 GMT -6
You need those role players that come from the 2 yearr JV guys... You possibly could still have them but I believe football is the greatest bc it has more people involved. Also it allows you to help more kids. The majority of guys arent gonna be all state or go to play in college. Football is the best teacher of life there is ... JV allows chance to impact more young men in a positive life shaping manner.
|
|
|
|
Post by cscs102002 on Feb 15, 2017 12:28:07 GMT -6
I've never heard of JV exhibition games. Wouldn't that count towards the quarters they are allowed to play that week?
|
|
|
|
Post by wingtol on Feb 15, 2017 12:29:35 GMT -6
I guess you can look at it from a pure football stand point with W and L and say you're better off running those kids off or making JV some kind of chit show then go for it. Seems like your at a stable program with good success so roll the dice.
But if you want to question stuff and ask WHY then ask why do you coach? Is it just for the W/L? If it is then that's fine. But if it's more than that, as I think it is with the vast majority of guys on here, running kids off who want to be part of a team because lets face it some kids need football more than football needs them you are doing your program a disservice. We have had tons of kids who were never gonna amount to jack as a football player, who didn't work out, etc but being on the team at least gave them something to do other than get jammed up in some sort of trouble. Does it always work out that way, no some get in trouble no matter what but I like to think we have helped more kids than not. Boys need positive male role models now more than ever, I would hate to miss an opportunity to be that to a kid just because they aren't gonna help us win a game.
|
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2017 12:30:23 GMT -6
I can't think of a single reason why it would be a good thing to give fewer kids a chance to participate in high school football.
|
|
|
|
Post by brophy on Feb 15, 2017 12:55:44 GMT -6
JV makes a whole lot of sense if you're developing a PROGRAM. A PROGRAM is most often successful when you are 2-platooning, because now you're focused on developing specialized players devoting most of their time to a single position. If all you're interested is assembling the best 13 kids to play both ways, you end up with fighting to exist 1 season at a time. The 2017 team and your +10 games is all that matters. When the season is over, so is your momentum for subsequent season because your 'best' kids are graduating (because you aren't concerned about maximum reps). JV shouldn't be its own unit. It should be an offshoot of Varsity. Freshmen play freshmen ball. JV are exhibition games played for kids practicing with Varsity, coordinated by Varsity position coaches on their game day. Once that game is over, the JV coaches go back to being Varsity assistants and the JV players go back to being Varsity players. tl;dr the "two teams" is dead weight |
|
CoachSP
Sophomore Member
Posts: 212 
|
Post by CoachSP on Feb 15, 2017 13:06:07 GMT -6
JV shouldn't be its own unit. It should be an offshoot of Varsity. Freshmen play freshmen ball. JV are exhibition games played for kids practicing with Varsity, coordinated by Varsity position coaches on their game day. Once that game is over, the JV coaches go back to being Varsity assistants and the JV players go back to being Varsity players. ^this |
|
|
|
Post by **** on Feb 15, 2017 13:20:13 GMT -6
With 85 kids out I would have 3 teams, and 2 platoon at every level.
Then I would recruit the halls and try to get even more kids to play football.
|
|
|
|
Post by coachluey on Feb 15, 2017 13:56:22 GMT -6
I need your names, some of you guys I dont want around my program. JVs are good for several things:
1) PT for underclassmen
2) Scout team
3) building relationships
4) Numbers
Number 4 is particularly big. Numbers play a huge role in football if you know how to use them. More kids=more depth on everything.
|
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2017 14:28:17 GMT -6
Something to keep in mind is that every time you run a kid off you're also running off his brothers, cousins, and friends. I'm not talking about guys who don't work out or bad actors.
|
|
|
|
Post by brophy on Feb 15, 2017 18:04:56 GMT -6
Unfortunately......some kids were only playing football to help with their Saturday night efforts with the ladies.  |
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2017 18:09:08 GMT -6
Unfortunately......some kids were only playing football to help with their Saturday night efforts with the ladies. I played football because I liked football. Probably most coaches did, too. I'm pretty sure that a lot of guys start out because they think it might get them laid. |
|
|
|
Post by blb on Feb 15, 2017 18:45:44 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that a lot of guys start out because they think it might get them laid
There should be more boys playing then.
|
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2017 18:54:45 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that a lot of guys start out because they think it might get them laid
There should be more boys playing then.
Well, then there's the lifting and running and getting hit thing. |
|
|
|
Post by spos21ram on Feb 15, 2017 19:20:29 GMT -6
Is the OP a coach? I cant possibly see a football coach even thinking this would be a good idea.
|
|
|
|
Post by chi5hi on Feb 15, 2017 19:31:40 GMT -6
If it weren't for kids wanting to play ball you wouldn't have a job.
The team belongs to them. You're just there to teach them how to do it. Reducing the number of kids playing football is a bad thing to do.
|
|
|
|
Post by brophy on Feb 15, 2017 19:54:59 GMT -6
I liked football. Probably most coaches did, too. Who cares? I went out for football because I thought it would bring world peace. The bottom line is you showed up, gave effort and contributed.as long as kids do that, it doesn't matter. Not everyone we get will be diehard football jihadists. Once they show up, its our job to develop a relationship and keep them engaged. The MORE KIDS out means more families supporting the program. The more families the larger community and businesses that can support us. 99% of the kids participating (and families) have some expectation of seeing the field and not the bench. JV makes that happen |
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2017 19:58:01 GMT -6
I liked football. Probably most coaches did, too. Who cares? I went out for football because I thought it would bring world peace. The bottom line is you showed up, gave effort and contributed.as long as kids do that, it doesn't matter. Not everyone we get will be diehard football jihadists. Once they show up, its our job to develop a relationship and keep them engaged. The MORE KIDS out means more families supporting the program. The more families the larger community and businesses that can support us. 99% of the kids participating (and families) have some expectation of seeing the field and not the bench. JV makes that happen I agree. That world peace thing, in my experience, is just another way to get girls. |
|
|
|
Post by coachluey on Feb 16, 2017 13:14:33 GMT -6
Isn't everything we do in some form or fashion a way to get girls? Hell at some point you can probably look at the invention of the wheel and fire as some attempt to lure the ladies.
|
|
|
|
Post by boone5171 on Feb 16, 2017 14:43:14 GMT -6
Did the original post get deleted or am I missing something? I gather that the post has something to do with jv teams but it is not making much sense. Did someone want to eliminate their jv team from their program?
|
|
|
|
Post by rsmith627 on Feb 16, 2017 14:51:49 GMT -6
Did the original post get deleted or am I missing something? I gather that the post has something to do with jv teams but it is not making much sense. Did someone want to eliminate their jv team from their program? Yes. |
|
|
|
Post by coachluey on Feb 16, 2017 14:54:13 GMT -6
Wasnt the response he wanted I suppose
|
|
|
|
Post by **** on Feb 17, 2017 7:49:32 GMT -6
Wasnt the response he wanted I suppose Guess not, hope I get to play him though! |
|
|
|
Post by veerwego on Feb 17, 2017 8:42:35 GMT -6
Our state has gone to a 4 qtr per week rule. I know some others have as well. Many teams have already, are planning to in 17, or are considering going to only Varsity and 9th grade.
There are two issues here:
1. Many schools, even some of our largest (5A) that are not great at football, do not have enough players to field 3 teams. Or if they do, the product on JV is pitiful and possibly dangerous. We dealt with this a bit last year, not being able to protect the QB at all or run block vs almost anyone on the JV level.
2. A bigger issue is time and coaches. When kids cannot play on Thu (JV) & Fri (var) then you have to coach at least two varsity offenses and defenses and then two JV offenses and defenses. Most schools here have one staff for both varsity and JV, so it was much more practical to have your starting JV offense and defense be your twos on Friday night and play some special teams. But some knuckle heads decided to play their young kids all 8 qtrs per week to make them better, with no concern for their health/safety, and now it is no longer an option.
|
|
