bdm
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Post by bdm on Feb 21, 2017 12:38:01 GMT -6
At my previous school, our HFC and Track coach came to an agreement. There were 6 football coaches one of which was the track coach. Rather than him take "his guys" to go do track stuff, they all athletes stayed and lifted, and they all ran track, and all 6 coaches would go out and do the track practice for about 30 min or so. Track became part of the Off-season program. I personally like track for my football players, it gives them a chance to compete in something that time of year. If I were in your situation, I would talk with the old coach about "helping" him. Tell your kids its part of off season. They won't all go to meets, but by the time that sophomore becomes a Sr he may be the best disc thrower your school has ever had. Some of those kids who have just been track athletes may also start coming out for football as they see the football guys won't eat them. That would be nice to 6 guys helping I could keep more guys around that way. I am the Head Track Coach and I have one assistant and every dude thinks they can come out for track and they all think they are 100m or 200m guys and they all think they are fast. A few of my main runners and throwers are football guys but in most cases the football guys don't really want to do track because when they get into practice and we start running they realize they have to run more than a handful of sprints and do drills they tend not to like it.
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Post by 60zgo on Feb 21, 2017 13:36:32 GMT -6
I am the HFC and Head Track Coach. So the relationship is basically amazing.
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Post by coachloosearrow on Feb 21, 2017 13:43:49 GMT -6
The track program at the school I last coached at put down lifting. They did not believe in strength training. The throwers coach did, but the head coach made it hard for him to find time. A lot of dysfunction really. I can not understand why you would not want your athletes to train. Sprinters benefit so much from strength training. Even distance by altering it to high reps light weight. Volume! I had 2 distance boys runners (and all the distance runners) that trained that way and in state in the 2 mile, in the wind, they powered thru it and finished 1st and 3rd. It would be difficult for me to go somewhere that was against fully training athletes.
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Post by PSS on Feb 21, 2017 14:00:33 GMT -6
I'm the head boys' track coach. The OC is the head girls' track coach. We work together coaching both boys and girls. We have 5 assistants, 4 of them are football coaches.
All the sprinters, 100-400, run the 400m workout. Rarely do we run over a 300m. 800m and above workout with the distance coach.
It has taken us 3 years but when we workout, no one complains. They just get on the track and go. When we first got here there were only 15 kids running track. Now that we require the football players to run we have over 60.
Our baseball / football players will workout during the athletic period on Mondays and Wednesdays. All of the baseball coaches are football coaches so it's not hard to share kids with them. Again, all we require is for those kids to compete in our meet and the district meet.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 21, 2017 14:25:26 GMT -6
I can't tell you how many times our track coaches told kids lifting will make them slower. Our hurdlers coach banned the kids from morning wt room. Not my problem anymore.
I don't think any boys except a couple football players who did lift have gone to state in the nine years I was here. Same for the girls. A couple throwers who lifted and the girls hurdler who disregarded her hurdles coach and trained. She also hurdled in college.
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tarp18
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Post by tarp18 on Feb 21, 2017 14:33:56 GMT -6
I'm the head boys' track coach. The OC is the head girls' track coach. We work together coaching both boys and girls. We have 5 assistants, 4 of them are football coaches. All the sprinters, 100-400, run the 400m workout. Rarely do we run over a 300m. 800m and above workout with the distance coach. It has taken us 3 years but when we workout, no one complains. They just get on the track and go. When we first got here there were only 15 kids running track. Now that we require the football players to run we have over 60. Our baseball / football players will workout during the athletic period on Mondays and Wednesdays. All of the baseball coaches are football coaches so it's not hard to share kids with them. Again, all we require is for those kids to compete in our meet and the district meet. How do you feel this effects your relays with your baseball kids? We always worry about not getting enough live reps of the 4x1, 4x2 going into our district meet. This question might not belong on a football board, but I feel I had to ask.
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Post by s73 on Feb 21, 2017 14:37:14 GMT -6
I tell our kids & our parents that our speed & agility program is our track program.
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Post by PSS on Feb 21, 2017 14:41:53 GMT -6
I'm the head boys' track coach. The OC is the head girls' track coach. We work together coaching both boys and girls. We have 5 assistants, 4 of them are football coaches. All the sprinters, 100-400, run the 400m workout. Rarely do we run over a 300m. 800m and above workout with the distance coach. It has taken us 3 years but when we workout, no one complains. They just get on the track and go. When we first got here there were only 15 kids running track. Now that we require the football players to run we have over 60. Our baseball / football players will workout during the athletic period on Mondays and Wednesdays. All of the baseball coaches are football coaches so it's not hard to share kids with them. Again, all we require is for those kids to compete in our meet and the district meet. How do you feel this effects your relays with your baseball kids? We always worry about not getting enough live reps of the 4x1, 4x2 going into our district meet. This question might not belong on a football board, but I feel I had to ask. Unfortunately, that's one of the drawbacks. But I look at the trade off as this: kids coming from baseball will have fresh "track" track legs and will perform better later in the season than those that have ran every meet. Our basketball team always makes late runs into the playoffs, usually playing long enough to miss 2-3 meets. They don't peak on the track until our regional meet. I'll have at least one qtr miler and several HJ'ers from basketball.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 21, 2017 15:05:02 GMT -6
For those of you who coach both football and track, is this in addiction to being a teacher? I wouldn't do it just because I'm not willing to grind that many months out of the year. Two sports? Weekends ... I don't think so.
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Post by spreadjet31 on Feb 21, 2017 16:20:30 GMT -6
I am HC of the varsity football team and an asst. indoor & outdoor track coach and I work in the school, but don't have the work load of a classroom teacher by any means. I coach sprinters & jumpers in track, so the workouts I create for my track athletes is virtually identical to what I would put together for my football guys that don't do track. The only difference may be the percentages and rep structures for squats, deadlifts, and bench press. This means I can train all of these athletes efficiently because they are all using the same lifts and skill sets. I thank the hundreds of football and track coaches that have provided valuable information online as to how to best accomplish this.
coachphillip, as for coaching "year round", I find that I still have a ton of extra time in the summer to make it viable. Perhaps my wife disagrees, but she must be a tremendously good sport if she does because she is 100% supportive.
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Post by PSS on Feb 21, 2017 17:21:14 GMT -6
For those of you who coach both football and track, is this in addiction to being a teacher? I wouldn't do it just because I'm not willing to grind that many months out of the year. Two sports? Weekends ... I don't think so. Yes it is in addition to teaching. When that's over it's 6 weeks of speed and strength camp in the summer. I've never thought of it as a grind. When I coach track I am coaching from the time we start stretching until the time we finish cool down. Coaching and encouraging the entire practice, I never stop. We played up to the second week of December this year in the playoffs. Started track the second week of January and hopefully will go through the first of May (state meet). I don't think of it as a grind, track can be as fun to coach as football if you do it right. 4x400 is possibly the toughest event and most exciting to watch. Our kids work their tails off to be on that relay because they know that the studs run it. Anyone can run the 100 and 200 but it takes a stud to go out and run a sub 50 sec 400m.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 22, 2017 8:52:18 GMT -6
For those of you who coach both football and track, is this in addiction to being a teacher? I wouldn't do it just because I'm not willing to grind that many months out of the year. Two sports? Weekends ... I don't think so. I'm doing it right now because track is near and dear to my heart and no one else is available who cares like I do. My gf hates that I'm coaching track because it's less time with her, I don't mind so much. In my perfect world, I would be able to hand off the job in 2-3 years to someone who can do the job well. I've even got a candidate in mind, she just doesn't know it yet.
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Post by 60zgo on Feb 23, 2017 17:24:19 GMT -6
For those of you who coach both football and track, is this in addiction to being a teacher? I wouldn't do it just because I'm not willing to grind that many months out of the year. Two sports? Weekends ... I don't think so. Yes.
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Post by coachtua on Feb 23, 2017 20:43:14 GMT -6
Luckily for us the WR coach is head track coach. He holds track practice in the AM before school so we can have the FB players after school for workouts.
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 24, 2017 7:10:30 GMT -6
We push every skill kid we have into track. They are supposed to come lift after track practice, and most of them do. It's another one of our lessons in accountability.
The only issues we have are when the OL are pressured to throw...they have no throwing coach, the OL just like having an hour off of the workouts. The really sore part is I coached throwers last year, just to make sure the OL/DL would come out, throw, then get to football. The track program didnt want me back this year, never really told me, just passive-aggressively told me I wouldnt get my stipend. I said the linemen wouldnt leave FB for track if there wasnt a throwing coach...its an ongoing saga...also one of the things that makes me rage in this game
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Post by rystaylo on Feb 24, 2017 9:09:52 GMT -6
does anyone have a lifting program from a collegiate track program?
Our Head track coach doesn't let his sprinters lift the day of meets, or the day before.
I think some research or a lifting program from a college that contradicts this would be helpful.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 25, 2017 0:31:17 GMT -6
We push every skill kid we have into track. They are supposed to come lift after track practice, and most of them do. It's another one of our lessons in accountability. The only issues we have are when the OL are pressured to throw...they have no throwing coach, the OL just like having an hour off of the workouts. The really sore part is I coached throwers last year, just to make sure the OL/DL would come out, throw, then get to football. The track program didnt want me back this year, never really told me, just passive-aggressively told me I wouldnt get my stipend. I said the linemen wouldnt leave FB for track if there wasnt a throwing coach...its an ongoing saga...also one of the things that makes me rage in this game No throws coach is straight up unsafe. They're literally throwing implements of war.
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Zone93
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Post by Zone93 on Feb 25, 2017 12:26:17 GMT -6
Quick question for everyone. Why is it that you want your football athletes to also practice during track season? Would you allow your football players to practice with every other sport that they play in the spring during football season? It just seems like a double standard that most people have when it comes to football and other sports.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 25, 2017 14:47:40 GMT -6
My WR coach is the Head Track coach. I used to be at my old school,b4 I was the HC.
Our kids run track. the track team lifts twice a week with us in the morning.
Even our QB runs a 11.1 100. LOL
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 25, 2017 14:48:53 GMT -6
For those of you who coach both football and track, is this in addiction to being a teacher? I wouldn't do it just because I'm not willing to grind that many months out of the year. Two sports? Weekends ... I don't think so. I did it. Yes it was a grind but in GA most football coaches are the track coaches. When I became Hc I stopped, but I know a ton of HC that are still the track coach.
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Post by PSS on Feb 26, 2017 16:23:01 GMT -6
Quick question for everyone. Why is it that you want your football athletes to also practice during track season? Would you allow your football players to practice with every other sport that they play in the spring during football season? It just seems like a double standard that most people have when it comes to football and other sports. We don't have a spring football season. If you're in athletics you're expected to participate in multiple sports. We have kids that participate in as many 4 and as few as 2. If you can help another sport and become a better athlete then you need to play. As a coach you want the athletes competing during their off-season. With track the skill kids have an opportunity to develop speed. Track can be used as an extension of your off-season.
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 27, 2017 6:56:44 GMT -6
We push every skill kid we have into track. They are supposed to come lift after track practice, and most of them do. It's another one of our lessons in accountability. The only issues we have are when the OL are pressured to throw...they have no throwing coach, the OL just like having an hour off of the workouts. The really sore part is I coached throwers last year, just to make sure the OL/DL would come out, throw, then get to football. The track program didnt want me back this year, never really told me, just passive-aggressively told me I wouldnt get my stipend. I said the linemen wouldnt leave FB for track if there wasnt a throwing coach...its an ongoing saga...also one of the things that makes me rage in this game No throws coach is straight up unsafe. They're literally throwing implements of war. Apparently the only ones who dont believe it is unsafe are the ones handing out said war implements. This is the same track program that ordered a brand new storage shed, and wants it kept ON THE TRACK. When the AP, Distrct contractor and Fire Marshall all told them it would needed to be moved, the HC literally threw a hissy fit...stomping, yelling, waving arms...they have since blamed the shed debacle on me.
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