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Post by fantom on May 8, 2017 8:11:08 GMT -6
The guys who are frustrated that coaches quit coaching but keep their teaching jobs need to keep in mind that it works both ways. Coaches who get fired from coaching get to keep their teaching jobs, too. We hear stories here all the time about coaches getting fired for seemingly no good reason (With the firing frequently described as a "resignation"). Do you really want to go with the Texas model, where you're constantly betting your house and car on how talented a group of 14-18 year olds is in a given year or whether the town yahoos think that you're not working hard enough if they don't see the staff's cars at the field house all night after a loss?
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Post by gccwolverine on May 8, 2017 8:21:35 GMT -6
Its not just football, other sports are a real problem in my area. A school hires someone to be the head cheerleader / softball coach etc. She does it for a few years then quits, but keeps her teaching job. She is well within her rights but it makes it difficult on the admin. They have to find another HC, but dont have the teaching slot. It really hurts the small schools that have very few if any teaching openings in a year. That's why some of these jobs should be attached to one another. Not all, but some. This slot is a SS and varsity assistant football spot, that's what it is and its expected that you do both and do them both well. If you get to the point where you don't want to coach anymore thats fine hand in your resignation for both and hope that you can apply for and get hired for a teaching only slot in the district or move on to somewhere else.
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Post by bigmoot on May 8, 2017 8:30:39 GMT -6
Its not just football, other sports are a real problem in my area. A school hires someone to be the head cheerleader / softball coach etc. She does it for a few years then quits, but keeps her teaching job. She is well within her rights but it makes it difficult on the admin. They have to find another HC, but dont have the teaching slot. It really hurts the small schools that have very few if any teaching openings in a year. That's why some of these jobs should be attached to one another. Not all, but some. This slot is a SS and varsity assistant football spot, that's what it is and its expected that you do both and do them both well. If you get to the point where you don't want to coach anymore thats fine hand in your resignation for both and hope that you can apply for and get hired for a teaching only slot in the district or move on to somewhere else. The only slots i agree with you about would be PE. We have a guy who is eating up a PE slot and coaches nothing. the other academic slots shoudnt be tied to coaching at all.
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Post by gccwolverine on May 8, 2017 8:35:35 GMT -6
That's why some of these jobs should be attached to one another. Not all, but some. This slot is a SS and varsity assistant football spot, that's what it is and its expected that you do both and do them both well. If you get to the point where you don't want to coach anymore thats fine hand in your resignation for both and hope that you can apply for and get hired for a teaching only slot in the district or move on to somewhere else. The only slots i agree with you about would be PE. We have a guy who is eating up a PE slot and coaches nothing. the other academic slots shoudnt be tied to coaching at all. Why should it be any different? If a school goes out and hires someone for a spot as a teacher regardless of what subject and in the process it is understood that the person taking that spot is going to do such and such extra curricular activity and an agreement is reached. If the individual changes their mind after a year or 2 can't it be argued that the individual took the job under false pretenses? They took it and agreed to do the extracurriculars just to get their foot in the door and once there and established they wiggled out of the other part of the gig. When hired there was an expectation that this would be attached to the job. I'm not saying all positions I'm saying that schools at their discretion should be able to tie things together if they wish too. And if you know it up front then I see no problem with it. If you don't like it or don't want to coach you are more then welcome to apply for one of our non attached teaching only positions. But what if you get fired as a coach from the job? That comes with the territory if you don't like it again, you are fee to apply for one of our unattached teaching only spots and have more security.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 8, 2017 9:59:13 GMT -6
When hired there was an expectation that this would be attached to the job. I'm not saying all positions I'm saying that schools at their discretion should be able to tie things together if they wish too. And if you know it up front then I see no problem with it. If you don't like it or don't want to coach you are more then welcome to apply for one of our non attached teaching only positions. But what if you get fired as a coach from the job? That comes with the territory if you don't like it again, you are fee to apply for one of our unattached teaching only spots and have more security. But your ideas are made under the supposition that the district would not want to keep that teacher in the teaching position.
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Post by gccwolverine on May 8, 2017 10:55:28 GMT -6
When hired there was an expectation that this would be attached to the job. I'm not saying all positions I'm saying that schools at their discretion should be able to tie things together if they wish too. And if you know it up front then I see no problem with it. If you don't like it or don't want to coach you are more then welcome to apply for one of our non attached teaching only positions. But what if you get fired as a coach from the job? That comes with the territory if you don't like it again, you are fee to apply for one of our unattached teaching only spots and have more security. But your ideas are made under the supposition that the district would not want to keep that teacher in the teaching position. No my ideas are under the assumption and argument that it should be the districts choice. If they want to tie positions together it should be their choice, if they don't and thus don't want to support athletics because all the teaching positions are tied up with no one coaching then that's their choice as well. But if I were an administrator I would want to have a number of positions tied together and I would want great teachers who are also great coaches IN MY BUILDING and if I hired you and you decided you were burnt out on coaching I would want to have the ability to fill both of your jobs with someone who was able to do both of the jobs. And that's not slighting the academic side of things its saying that both are important.
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Post by mahonz on May 8, 2017 16:45:19 GMT -6
Not a teacher or a HS Coach but reading threads like this over the last 10 years it seems too me coaching has become.... I cant believe I get paid to so this !!! to... I cant believe what they pay me do this
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Post by dijackson08 on May 8, 2017 19:19:51 GMT -6
The guys who are frustrated that coaches quit coaching but keep their teaching jobs need to keep in mind that it works both ways. Coaches who get fired from coaching get to keep their teaching jobs, too. We hear stories here all the time about coaches getting fired for seemingly no good reason (With the firing frequently described as a "resignation"). Do you really want to go with the Texas model, where you're constantly betting your house and car on how talented a group of 14-18 year olds is in a given year or whether the town yahoos think that you're not working hard enough if they don't see the staff's cars at the field house all night after a loss? I've coached in both situations Louisiana is heading in the same direction as California. I moved to Texas, but it's not as bad as some think position coaches that teach receive tenure after 3 years were in at. We have 4 teachers on staff that are former coaches. But we have a girls coordinator, AD, and academic/strength and conditioning position that are directly tied to football. So if a new AD/HFC came in tomorrow he could fire those other 2 spot and bring in 2 of his guys. He would then have to wait and see if any of us teacher/assistants leave before he could bring in new guys. He could ask us not to coach but he can't take our teaching spot from us, and most AD's aren't gonna turn down help. If you don't have tenure they could probably work some loopholes to push you out some. I've known some that will force you to coach girls sports and take football away from you if your untenured in a attempt to get you to quit. Because til u reach tenure you have a dual contract.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 9:45:15 GMT -6
I don't think my frustrations lay with coaches who get fired and keep their teaching jobs; they lay with administrators who hire PE and Social Science teachers who don't coach, or aren't involved with any activities at the school.
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Post by fantom on May 9, 2017 9:47:48 GMT -6
I don't think my frustrations lay with coaches who get fired and keep their teaching jobs; they lay with administrators who hire PE and Social Science teachers who don't coach, or aren't involved with any activities at the school. Are you assuming that all SS teachers are or should be coaches? And, how long should a teacher coach before they're allowed to quit coaching and keep the teaching job?
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Post by coachcb on May 9, 2017 9:55:33 GMT -6
Umm, did you guys read the whole article? Are you sure that you want to be forced out of the teaching job that pays the mortgage if you want to quit coaching? That's what didn't make sense to me... Giving up your primary source of income because you're p-ssed off at parents isn't a smart move. Teaching just so you can coach is a quick way to get fed up with teaching as well.. I may get fed up with coaching football down the road but I'm not going to quit teaching... I'll just coach the throws in track as it's basically a zero-drama job that I love.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 10:26:07 GMT -6
I don't think my frustrations lay with coaches who get fired and keep their teaching jobs; they lay with administrators who hire PE and Social Science teachers who don't coach, or aren't involved with any activities at the school. Are you assuming that all SS teachers are or should be coaches? And, how long should a teacher coach before they're allowed to quit coaching and keep the teaching job? I'm assuming they should do something else besides teach (ASB, after school clubs, athletics, etc).
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Post by fantom on May 9, 2017 10:36:55 GMT -6
Are you assuming that all SS teachers are or should be coaches? And, how long should a teacher coach before they're allowed to quit coaching and keep the teaching job? I'm assuming they should do something else besides teach (ASB, after school clubs, athletics, etc). All teachers or just PE/SS? What do you teach?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 10:43:17 GMT -6
I like it and completely agree. I know it's unrealistic but I also think they should go through a different tenure process for PE and social studies spots. No way someobody should teach either of those subjects who doesn't do extracurricular stuff for the school. Why should people who teach those subjects be considered less important or professional than the Math, Science, or English teacher who doesn't do extracurriculars? Social Studies is a tested subject in our state and your scores count for 35-50% of our annual evaluations, where "coaching" is just one thing that factors into one box of many on the "professionalism" rubric that doesn't even really count. Social Studies teachers can and are canned over their test scores in those subjects all the time. PE teachers can technically be fired or denied/lose tenure for test scores in classes they don't even teach. I don't think it's wise for schools to hire people who aren't willing to coach or contribute to extracurriculars in some way, especially in PE, but I also don't think people who have been there for decades should be forced out of their breadwinning job because they get burned out or don't have the time for coaching anymore due to changing circumstances. Schools should hire people to teach who they feel are good teachers. If they don't want that person teaching a class without coaching, then they shouldn't hire that person in the first place. Making the coaching a full-job sounds good, and in some places around here it basically is one when all that guy teaches is weightlifting for his athletes, but if you do that economics would dictate that guy probably makes a lot less than a teacher salary at almost every place and it would further drive a wedge between academics and athletics.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 10:44:41 GMT -6
I'm assuming they should do something else besides teach (ASB, after school clubs, athletics, etc). All teachers or just PE/SS? What do you teach? PE/SS. I teach SS
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 10:49:30 GMT -6
I like it and completely agree. I know it's unrealistic but I also think they should go through a different tenure process for PE and social studies spots. No way someobody should teach either of those subjects who doesn't do extracurricular stuff for the school. 1. Why should people who teach those subjects be considered less important or professional than the Math, Science, or English teacher who doesn't do extracurriculars? 2. Social Studies is a tested subject in our state and your scores count for 35-50% of your evaluation, where "coaching" is just thing that factors into one box of many on the "professionalism" rubric that doesn't even really count. Social Studies teachers can and are canned over their test scores in those subjects all the time. PE teachers can technically be fired or denied/lose tenure for test scores in classes they don't even teach. 3. I don't think it's wise for schools to hire people who aren't willing to coach or contribute to extracurriculars in some way, especially in PE, but I also don't think people who have been there for decades should be forced out of their breadwinning job because they get burned out or don't have the time for coaching anymore due to changing circumstances. 1. Because Math, Science and English are a lot more complex, require more preparation and will require teachers to do study hall infinitely more than any high school level Social Studies or PE subject ever will. 2. SS isn't tested in California, nor is it tested on the SAT, whereas the aforementioned subjects all are. I have no idea where you are, but I've never heard of a public school teachers being fired over test scores. Reprimanded and switched assignment yes, fired no. 3. I agree
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Post by pvogel on May 9, 2017 10:55:37 GMT -6
I like it and completely agree. I know it's unrealistic but I also think they should go through a different tenure process for PE and social studies spots. No way someobody should teach either of those subjects who doesn't do extracurricular stuff for the school. But the math teacher at my school that rolls in the door at the first bell and that is knocking kids down in the hallway to get to the parking lot at the last bell, is golden........ Its basic economics. Very difficult to find math and science teachers because anyone with a degree in that can and usually does decide to choose a profession thats waaay more profitable. Im a history major. Unless I want to do law, this is about all I can do professionally. So I have to separate myself from the other masses of pe/ss teachers. And PE for sure. Any PE teacher not coaching is a sham. Why is that person on the same payscale as an elite AP Physics teacher? I get it, teachers that are in at 8 and out at 2 are frustrating. But I'm not going to expect math and science teachers to do it just because we need so many more of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 10:57:27 GMT -6
1. Because Math, Science and English are a lot more complex, require more preparation and will require teachers to do study hall infinitely more than any high school level Social Studies or PE subject ever will. 2. SS isn't tested in California, nor is it tested on the SAT, whereas the aforementioned subjects all are. I have no idea where you are, but I've never heard of a public school teachers being fired over test scores. Reprimanded and switched assignment yes, fired no. 3. I agree I've personally taught both English and Social Studies side by side. If you're teaching Social Studies the way that states want them taught now, they are equally complex. We don't get the luxury of study halls. It's not on the SAT, but it is tested. I'm in Tennessee. Public school teachers are fired all the time over test scores here and in other states that have effectively abolished or severely restricted tenure, like us. If you entered the profession in the last 6 years in our state, you're basically going to spend your career working on yearly contracts, which makes quality test scores vital to keeping your job. I honestly have a hard time comprehending what it must be like to teach in a state where teachers aren't hired and fired over test scores every year.
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Post by fantom on May 9, 2017 10:58:13 GMT -6
1. Why should people who teach those subjects be considered less important or professional than the Math, Science, or English teacher who doesn't do extracurriculars? 2. Social Studies is a tested subject in our state and your scores count for 35-50% of your evaluation, where "coaching" is just thing that factors into one box of many on the "professionalism" rubric that doesn't even really count. Social Studies teachers can and are canned over their test scores in those subjects all the time. PE teachers can technically be fired or denied/lose tenure for test scores in classes they don't even teach. 3. I don't think it's wise for schools to hire people who aren't willing to coach or contribute to extracurriculars in some way, especially in PE, but I also don't think people who have been there for decades should be forced out of their breadwinning job because they get burned out or don't have the time for coaching anymore due to changing circumstances. 1. Because Math, Science and English are a lot more complex, require more preparation and will require teachers to do study hall infinitely more than any high school level Social Studies or PE subject ever will. 2. SS isn't tested in California, nor is it tested on the SAT, whereas the aforementioned subjects all are. I have no idea where you are, but I've never heard of a public school teachers being fired over test scores. Reprimanded and switched assignment yes, fired no. 3. I agree I'll start with #3. You agree that veteran teachers coaches shouldn't be forced out if they don't want to (or can't) coach anymore but you also agree with doing exactly that. Maybe in California they don't test SS but they do here and people do get fired.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 9, 2017 11:32:11 GMT -6
1. Because Math, Science and English are a lot more complex, require more preparation and will require teachers to do study hall infinitely more than any high school level Social Studies or PE subject ever will. 2. SS isn't tested in California, nor is it tested on the SAT, whereas the aforementioned subjects all are. I have no idea where you are, but I've never heard of a public school teachers being fired over test scores. Reprimanded and switched assignment yes, fired no. 3. I agree I'll start with #3. You agree that veteran teachers coaches shouldn't be forced out if they don't want to (or can't) coach anymore but you also agree with doing exactly that. Maybe in California they don't test SS but they do here and people do get fired. If a guy has legitimate reasons why he can't do anything for the school besides teach Social Studies for 5 periods, then I don't see that as a problem.
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Post by fantom on May 9, 2017 11:59:29 GMT -6
I'll start with #3. You agree that veteran teachers coaches shouldn't be forced out if they don't want to (or can't) coach anymore but you also agree with doing exactly that. Maybe in California they don't test SS but they do here and people do get fired. If a guy has legitimate reasons why he can't do anything for the school besides teach Social Studies for 5 periods, then I don't see that as a problem. But everybody who quits thinks he has a legit reason. Plus, you said that you wouldn't get rid of fired coaches. Why not? They clog up the roster just as much as a guy who quits and is much more likely to cause morale problems. Speaking of morale problems, how about a coach who doesn't really want to be there?
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Post by rcole on May 9, 2017 21:12:18 GMT -6
Apparently, I need to move to Cali to teach Soc. Studies. Teaching it here is no different than teaching English or Math. It is tested, and as was mentioned it is the hardest EOC test we give. Even in the untested Soc. Studies classes we are expected to have a high level of rigor. History classes are taken just as seriously as English. I would contend that teaching US History has a larger grading burden than Algebra or Geometry. Our tests for World History, US History, and Gov/Econ include three to five essays on each unit test. We all have to give the same tests too, so if your students don't do as well as your peers then you will be reassigned to a terrible teaching load or a terrible school. We have to turn in detailed lesson plans, maintain a detailed website and online calendars, attend afterschool meetings every week that cause us to miss practice, many of us teach AP and IB classes (yes, the coaches do). We are expected to be just as good as any non-coach teacher. Study halls as classes were banned years ago, so you teach a full load. We also have no union protection at all. We don't have tenure, well, I guess we sort of do, but it isn't called tenure. They can pretty much run you off in three years if they want. But they can certainly make you want to quit in one year. We also don't have coaching contracts. We coach "at-will." So the admin can let you go at any time with no explanation whatsoever and you have no recourse. When we do have teaching openings and need a coach admin often will not use a teaching job in SS on an assistant coach. They would 20 years ago but not now. The only way you are getting a SS job as a coach is if you are better than every single other candidate that applied. At least in my district. My district is one of the wealthiest in the state and 3 times if my career, during a district budget crisis, they have said "well, let's just cut sports out then." Didn't happen, but it was on the chopping block. Coaching here also still included driving the bus, painting the fields, cutting grass, etc.
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Post by coachtua on May 9, 2017 21:37:52 GMT -6
The other thing to consider is the headache HC's have in putting together a staff. In California you're very lucky if you have one loyal assistant who is an on campus teacher as well. As a HC you want to hire good assistants. But then a good assistant is available and he says "I just need a (teaching) job." So let's say you get him in as a teacher while you want him to be a top notch assistant. He in turn works for a couple years, gets tenured, and is then done. So in other words, he used you. This happens quite often. I'm not saying that this doesn't happen but that's amazing. So, you hire a guy and he strings you along, doing an exemplary job as a coach and in the classroom, for three years but it was all part of a plan? And that happens a lot? I have seen 3 assistants do it at my last school. 2 stopped coaching, 1 left to another school but kept teaching at our school...
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Post by biggus3 on May 9, 2017 23:18:15 GMT -6
I wrestle with this all the time because I really enjoy the "school spirit" and pageantry of HS football. There is just something about playing with your buddies you grew up with that builds that bond that we all strive for and makes the game special. However, I get really jealous of AAU basketball coaches and how simplified theirlife becomes when you remove the school politics from the game. There is no one to kiss @$$ to, no eligilibilty checks, no transfer rules, fundraising, you could "scholarship" a couple key guys by waiving fees if you had to. Shoot, you could probably even pay some players if you had too. Given what the game has morphed into this country, wouldn't it make sense to make it like an AAU/junior hockey model that brings up from youth until college age? Good coaches that are proven could charge whatever they felt they were worth, pay whomever needs to get paid whatever they could afford? Rather than all the BS, why not just remove the pretenses, and let it become truly this cut throat monster that everyone can't get enough of.
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Post by gccwolverine on May 10, 2017 6:06:56 GMT -6
Apparently, I need to move to Cali to teach Soc. Studies. Teaching it here is no different than teaching English or Math. It is tested, and as was mentioned it is the hardest EOC test we give. Even in the untested Soc. Studies classes we are expected to have a high level of rigor. History classes are taken just as seriously as English. I would contend that teaching US History has a larger grading burden than Algebra or Geometry. Our tests for World History, US History, and Gov/Econ include three to five essays on each unit test. We all have to give the same tests too, so if your students don't do as well as your peers then you will be reassigned to a terrible teaching load or a terrible school. We have to turn in detailed lesson plans, maintain a detailed website and online calendars, attend afterschool meetings every week that cause us to miss practice, many of us teach AP and IB classes (yes, the coaches do). We are expected to be just as good as any non-coach teacher. Study halls as classes were banned years ago, so you teach a full load. We also have no union protection at all. We don't have tenure, well, I guess we sort of do, but it isn't called tenure. They can pretty much run you off in three years if they want. But they can certainly make you want to quit in one year. We also don't have coaching contracts. We coach "at-will." So the admin can let you go at any time with no explanation whatsoever and you have no recourse. When we do have teaching openings and need a coach admin often will not use a teaching job in SS on an assistant coach. They would 20 years ago but not now. The only way you are getting a SS job as a coach is if you are better than every single other candidate that applied. At least in my district. My district is one of the wealthiest in the state and 3 times if my career, during a district budget crisis, they have said "well, let's just cut sports out then." Didn't happen, but it was on the chopping block. Coaching here also still included driving the bus, painting the fields, cutting grass, etc. Nope... Not reasonable nor worth it...
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Post by fantom on May 10, 2017 10:40:57 GMT -6
I'm not saying that this doesn't happen but that's amazing. So, you hire a guy and he strings you along, doing an exemplary job as a coach and in the classroom, for three years but it was all part of a plan? And that happens a lot? I have seen 3 assistants do it at my last school. 2 stopped coaching, 1 left to another school but kept teaching at our school... I'd suggest that you look at your program to see if there's something that drives them out.
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Post by gccwolverine on May 10, 2017 10:58:41 GMT -6
I have seen 3 assistants do it at my last school. 2 stopped coaching, 1 left to another school but kept teaching at our school... I'd suggest that you look at your program to see if there's something that drives them out. Probably most likely ridiculous stuff like this: "Apparently, I need to move to Cali to teach Soc. Studies. Teaching it here is no different than teaching English or Math. It is tested, and as was mentioned it is the hardest EOC test we give. Even in the untested Soc. Studies classes we are expected to have a high level of rigor. History classes are taken just as seriously as English. I would contend that teaching US History has a larger grading burden than Algebra or Geometry. Our tests for World History, US History, and Gov/Econ include three to five essays on each unit test. We all have to give the same tests too, so if your students don't do as well as your peers then you will be reassigned to a terrible teaching load or a terrible school. We have to turn in detailed lesson plans, maintain a detailed website and online calendars, attend afterschool meetings every week that cause us to miss practice, many of us teach AP and IB classes (yes, the coaches do). We are expected to be just as good as any non-coach teacher. Study halls as classes were banned years ago, so you teach a full load. We also have no union protection at all. We don't have tenure, well, I guess we sort of do, but it isn't called tenure. They can pretty much run you off in three years if they want. But they can certainly make you want to quit in one year. We also don't have coaching contracts. We coach "at-will." So the admin can let you go at any time with no explanation whatsoever and you have no recourse. When we do have teaching openings and need a coach admin often will not use a teaching job in SS on an assistant coach. They would 20 years ago but not now. The only way you are getting a SS job as a coach is if you are better than every single other candidate that applied. At least in my district. My district is one of the wealthiest in the state and 3 times if my career, during a district budget crisis, they have said "well, let's just cut sports out then." Didn't happen, but it was on the chopping block. Coaching here also still included driving the bus, painting the fields, cutting grass, etc. " Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/77274/any-coaches-california-article?page=2#ixzz4ghGk1fUU
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Post by fantom on May 10, 2017 11:03:55 GMT -6
I'd suggest that you look at your program to see if there's something that drives them out. Probably most likely ridiculous stuff like this: "Apparently, I need to move to Cali to teach Soc. Studies. Teaching it here is no different than teaching English or Math. It is tested, and as was mentioned it is the hardest EOC test we give. Even in the untested Soc. Studies classes we are expected to have a high level of rigor. History classes are taken just as seriously as English. I would contend that teaching US History has a larger grading burden than Algebra or Geometry. Our tests for World History, US History, and Gov/Econ include three to five essays on each unit test. We all have to give the same tests too, so if your students don't do as well as your peers then you will be reassigned to a terrible teaching load or a terrible school. We have to turn in detailed lesson plans, maintain a detailed website and online calendars, attend afterschool meetings every week that cause us to miss practice, many of us teach AP and IB classes (yes, the coaches do). We are expected to be just as good as any non-coach teacher. Study halls as classes were banned years ago, so you teach a full load. We also have no union protection at all. We don't have tenure, well, I guess we sort of do, but it isn't called tenure. They can pretty much run you off in three years if they want. But they can certainly make you want to quit in one year. We also don't have coaching contracts. We coach "at-will." So the admin can let you go at any time with no explanation whatsoever and you have no recourse. When we do have teaching openings and need a coach admin often will not use a teaching job in SS on an assistant coach. They would 20 years ago but not now. The only way you are getting a SS job as a coach is if you are better than every single other candidate that applied. At least in my district. My district is one of the wealthiest in the state and 3 times if my career, during a district budget crisis, they have said "well, let's just cut sports out then." Didn't happen, but it was on the chopping block. Coaching here also still included driving the bus, painting the fields, cutting grass, etc. " Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/77274/any-coaches-california-article?page=2#ixzz4ghGk1fUUWhat;s the ridiculous part?
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Post by gccwolverine on May 10, 2017 11:20:46 GMT -6
Probably most likely ridiculous stuff like this: "Apparently, I need to move to Cali to teach Soc. Studies. Teaching it here is no different than teaching English or Math. It is tested, and as was mentioned it is the hardest EOC test we give. Even in the untested Soc. Studies classes we are expected to have a high level of rigor. History classes are taken just as seriously as English. I would contend that teaching US History has a larger grading burden than Algebra or Geometry. Our tests for World History, US History, and Gov/Econ include three to five essays on each unit test. We all have to give the same tests too, so if your students don't do as well as your peers then you will be reassigned to a terrible teaching load or a terrible school. We have to turn in detailed lesson plans, maintain a detailed website and online calendars, attend afterschool meetings every week that cause us to miss practice, many of us teach AP and IB classes (yes, the coaches do). We are expected to be just as good as any non-coach teacher. Study halls as classes were banned years ago, so you teach a full load. We also have no union protection at all. We don't have tenure, well, I guess we sort of do, but it isn't called tenure. They can pretty much run you off in three years if they want. But they can certainly make you want to quit in one year. We also don't have coaching contracts. We coach "at-will." So the admin can let you go at any time with no explanation whatsoever and you have no recourse. When we do have teaching openings and need a coach admin often will not use a teaching job in SS on an assistant coach. They would 20 years ago but not now. The only way you are getting a SS job as a coach is if you are better than every single other candidate that applied. At least in my district. My district is one of the wealthiest in the state and 3 times if my career, during a district budget crisis, they have said "well, let's just cut sports out then." Didn't happen, but it was on the chopping block. Coaching here also still included driving the bus, painting the fields, cutting grass, etc. " Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/77274/any-coaches-california-article?page=2#ixzz4ghGk1fUUWhat;s the ridiculous part? US History, and Gov/Econ include three to five essays on each unit test. We all have to give the same tests too, so if your students don't do as well as your peers then you will be reassigned to a terrible teaching load or a terrible school. We have to turn in detailed lesson plans, maintain a detailed website and online calendars, attend afterschool meetings every week that cause us to miss practice ...We also have no union protection at all. We don't have tenure, well, I guess we sort of do, but it isn't called tenure. They can pretty much run you off in three years if they want. But they can certainly make you want to quit in one year. We also don't have coaching contracts. We coach "at-will." So the admin can let you go at any time with no explanation whatsoever and you have no recourse. ...My district is one of the wealthiest in the state and 3 times if my career, during a district budget crisis, they have said "well, let's just cut sports out then." Didn't happen, but it was on the chopping block. Coaching here also still included driving the bus, painting the fields, cutting grass, etc.
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Post by fantom on May 10, 2017 11:33:28 GMT -6
What;s the ridiculous part? US History, and Gov/Econ include three to five essays on each unit test. We all have to give the same tests too, so if your students don't do as well as your peers then you will be reassigned to a terrible teaching load or a terrible school. We have to turn in detailed lesson plans, maintain a detailed website and online calendars, attend afterschool meetings every week that cause us to miss practice ...We also have no union protection at all. We don't have tenure, well, I guess we sort of do, but it isn't called tenure. They can pretty much run you off in three years if they want. But they can certainly make you want to quit in one year. We also don't have coaching contracts. We coach "at-will." So the admin can let you go at any time with no explanation whatsoever and you have no recourse. ...My district is one of the wealthiest in the state and 3 times if my career, during a district budget crisis, they have said "well, let's just cut sports out then." Didn't happen, but it was on the chopping block. Coaching here also still included driving the bus, painting the fields, cutting grass, etc.
Yeah, but that's the way it is.
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