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Post by hsrose on Nov 13, 2018 10:29:25 GMT -6
The top team in our league had a 2nd round playoff game last Friday at their place. Came back from down 21-7 to have the lead 28-27 late in the 4th. The opponent gets the ball, goes on a drive, and ends up with 1st & goal from the 1 with under a minute to play. The QB was the receiver and had run for 200+ yards and thrown for 150+, he'd had a good night. They got cute and tried to do something they hadn't done all night, shift into an unbalanced line. But the OL had already put their hands down. -5 on the penalty. Then turned around and tried the exact same thing again, same result, -5. Now 1st & 10 from the 11. Run, nothing. Run, +2, 3rd down they throw a pick in the end zone. Home team runs out the clock.
I've talked with a couple of folks that were at the game and they were just baffled by what the visitors did. Said there was no reason to get fancy right then, they had the size and the athletic QB, and they had a kicker that had done well on the PAT's.
I generally don't blame coaches for wins/losses, generally either decided before the 1st kickoff (mismatch) or it's turnovers or other on-field actions. But this seems to be a 'What the heck were you thinking' kind of thing.
Just baffled here.
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Post by fantom on Nov 13, 2018 11:05:51 GMT -6
If you've never crapped the bed in a big moment you haven't done this long enough.
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Post by CS on Nov 13, 2018 11:12:14 GMT -6
The top team in our league had a 2nd round playoff game last Friday at their place. Came back from down 21-7 to have the lead 28-27 late in the 4th. The opponent gets the ball, goes on a drive, and ends up with 1st & goal from the 1 with under a minute to play. The QB was the receiver and had run for 200+ yards and thrown for 150+, he'd had a good night. They got cute and tried to do something they hadn't done all night, shift into an unbalanced line. But the OL had already put their hands down. -5 on the penalty. Then turned around and tried the exact same thing again, same result, -5. Now 1st & 10 from the 11. Run, nothing. Run, +2, 3rd down they throw a pick in the end zone. Home team runs out the clock.
I've talked with a couple of folks that were at the game and they were just baffled by what the visitors did. Said there was no reason to get fancy right then, they had the size and the athletic QB, and they had a kicker that had done well on the PAT's.
I generally don't blame coaches for wins/losses, generally either decided before the 1st kickoff (mismatch) or it's turnovers or other on-field actions. But this seems to be a 'What the heck were you thinking' kind of thing.
Just baffled here.
They got nervous and over thought it
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Post by hsrose on Nov 13, 2018 11:16:09 GMT -6
No, I have been there. Lost a playoff game due to my time management. Lost another game when I made a call for a player but the player wasn't in the game. Backup didn't fare so well. Lost another game when.... I've lost a lot more games than I've been beaten. So I've been there. But those were generally a momentary losses of sensibility. This seems like it wasn't just a single bad call or time issue.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 13, 2018 11:24:10 GMT -6
In my first game as an HC, we were down, we scored late with twenty seconds left in the game to bring us within a point (33-34). We'd been missing PATs all night long and I didn't trust our two-point game. So, I called the fake PAT we had practiced TWICE in two weeks; it was picked in the back of of the end zone. We on-sided, they recovered and the game was over. Truly, truly, crapped the bed on that one.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 13, 2018 12:08:02 GMT -6
Panic.
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Post by pistola on Nov 13, 2018 13:00:26 GMT -6
eh just seems like one of those things where if they had shifted legally and punched it in then people would be talking about the great call. SOmetimes calls arent great or don't work out
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Post by silkyice on Nov 13, 2018 13:34:34 GMT -6
My guess is that was their goalline play for the week or 2 point play (not needed now). They really screwed up by 1) not following the rules, 2) running the shift AGAIN!! That in my mind where the problem was.
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 13, 2018 14:37:35 GMT -6
I saw one this year scouting, team was down 4 with the ball and the clock running out, if the opposing team got the ball back they could kneel it out and win....so the losing team gets a 4th and long, comes out in punt formation...everybody in the stands is wondering wth they are doing...gotta go for it...team calls time out.....collective sigh from the crowd..it's all good
team comes out of the timeout and is in punt formation again......runs a fake...I crap you not....and it was the kind of fake where you just snap it to the punter and he tries to run for the first....anyways..they lost
then beat us a few weeks later holy gawd there isn't enough bud light
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Post by fantom on Nov 13, 2018 19:55:58 GMT -6
Saw a team throw the ball to stop the clock on 4th down. It was after an inc. so it wasn't panic. Very well coached team, too. It happens.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 13, 2018 23:26:25 GMT -6
Anybody every punt from their own 28 yard line on 3rd and 2? Asking for a friend.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Nov 14, 2018 1:39:37 GMT -6
The top team in our league had a 2nd round playoff game last Friday at their place. Came back from down 21-7 to have the lead 28-27 late in the 4th. The opponent gets the ball, goes on a drive, and ends up with 1st & goal from the 1 with under a minute to play. The QB was the receiver and had run for 200+ yards and thrown for 150+, he'd had a good night. They got cute and tried to do something they hadn't done all night, shift into an unbalanced line. But the OL had already put their hands down. -5 on the penalty. Then turned around and tried the exact same thing again, same result, -5. Now 1st & 10 from the 11. Run, nothing. Run, +2, 3rd down they throw a pick in the end zone. Home team runs out the clock.
I've talked with a couple of folks that were at the game and they were just baffled by what the visitors did. Said there was no reason to get fancy right then, they had the size and the athletic QB, and they had a kicker that had done well on the PAT's.
I generally don't blame coaches for wins/losses, generally either decided before the 1st kickoff (mismatch) or it's turnovers or other on-field actions. But this seems to be a 'What the heck were you thinking' kind of thing.
Just baffled here.
I watched this game live on NFHS... the visitors flat out choked from poor discipline --- side note -- yes, I am a degenerate and was watching playoff games not in my section on a Friday night... The home team was trying to LET THEM SCORE! so they could get the ball back it looked Here is the breakdown of what went down Visitors get the ball they are moving the ball kinda TD called by for chop block at 3:02 Run to 2 yard line called back for penalty at 1:46 3rd and 15 they complete a long pass - 1st and goal at 9 they huddle... break huddle into unbalanced right double tight with power I right backfield... LG is late to align in his spot... Home teams is as confused with no one aligned on the LOS between LG and right TE!!! They run a double lead play strong... no one is trying to tackle him except for one kid who makes the play at the 1!!! Kids are talking to each other ad it looks like they are telling the tackler he was supposed to let the guy score... Home team takes a TO... Visitors were all lined up in the same unbalanced set to run another play when this happened... *** this is crazy*** The visitors do not huddle but run straight to the line following the TO and the QB runs sneak .... BUT THE DANG RT WAS NEVER SET AND THE DANG DEFENSE OFFERED NO RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QB just rushed the play... They were in the same formation as the play before... FALSE START!!!! FB is seen kneeling with hands in face screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO now they move the ball back 5 yards... Home team is staring at coaches to see if they should let them score still or not... they all make an X with their arms... looks to me as if they are going to let them score again haha Visitors align in UNBALANCED LEFT but they never get set AGAIN!!! kids were confused and someone flinches haha false start again now on the 11 yard line... 2nd and 11 - defense is now defending again Unbalanced left - toss play strong for -1 yards... Home team TO Same formation but now they flex the strong TE to the left - short side/boundary PA fade... INTERCEPTED game over... wow horrible discipline costs them a playoff win... COULD NOT BELIEVE IT I just rewatched it ...looked worse now... haha
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Post by silkyice on Nov 14, 2018 6:57:32 GMT -6
Saw a team throw the ball to stop the clock on 4th down. It was after an inc. so it wasn't panic. Very well coached team, too. It happens. Kenny Stabler did this at Alabama with Bear Bryant as head coach.
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Post by canesfan on Nov 14, 2018 8:23:04 GMT -6
We almost kicked a FG on 1st and Goal. Everyone thought we scored so we sent in the XP team. Seemed like the side just signaled TD. Had to call a timeout. It was embarrassing but at least we caught it in time.
Stuff happens. You get caught up in the game and you go nuts a little bit.
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 14, 2018 9:21:08 GMT -6
The top team in our league had a 2nd round playoff game last Friday at their place. Came back from down 21-7 to have the lead 28-27 late in the 4th. The opponent gets the ball, goes on a drive, and ends up with 1st & goal from the 1 with under a minute to play. The QB was the receiver and had run for 200+ yards and thrown for 150+, he'd had a good night. They got cute and tried to do something they hadn't done all night, shift into an unbalanced line. But the OL had already put their hands down. -5 on the penalty. Then turned around and tried the exact same thing again, same result, -5. Now 1st & 10 from the 11. Run, nothing. Run, +2, 3rd down they throw a pick in the end zone. Home team runs out the clock.
I've talked with a couple of folks that were at the game and they were just baffled by what the visitors did. Said there was no reason to get fancy right then, they had the size and the athletic QB, and they had a kicker that had done well on the PAT's.
I generally don't blame coaches for wins/losses, generally either decided before the 1st kickoff (mismatch) or it's turnovers or other on-field actions. But this seems to be a 'What the heck were you thinking' kind of thing.
Just baffled here.
I watched this game live on NFHS... the visitors flat out choked from poor discipline --- side note -- yes, I am a degenerate and was watching playoff games not in my section on a Friday night... The home team was trying to LET THEM SCORE! so they could get the ball back it looked Here is the breakdown of what went down Visitors get the ball they are moving the ball kinda TD called by for chop block at 3:02 Why didn't the home team decline the penalty?
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Nov 14, 2018 9:33:32 GMT -6
I've seen the 4th down spike first hand, once as a the team doing it and another time an opponent helped us out by spiking the ball on 4th down. The best advice I've ever received about "crunch time"... think players, not plays, get your best kid the ball... But that doesn't always come true either... One time (4th qtr 10-7 we were down) we had 1st and goal at the 3 yard line, I ran Power right to our stud Tailback, he got to the 1/2 yard line, the QB came running over to me said "coach the bootleg is open", I said lets give it to Tommie one more time, tell him go over the top if he has too. Well the defense was expecting the same thing one of their guys met him at the top of his leap, put his helmet on the ball, the ball squirted out, and they recovered it and was able to run out the clock and win the game and the league title...
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Post by silkyice on Nov 14, 2018 10:07:08 GMT -6
I've seen the 4th down spike first hand, once as a the team doing it and another time an opponent helped us out by spiking the ball on 4th down. The best advice I've ever received about "crunch time"... think players, not plays, get your best kid the ball... But that doesn't always come true either... One time (4th qtr 10-7 we were down) we had 1st and goal at the 3 yard line, I ran Power right to our stud Tailback, he got to the 1/2 yard line, the QB came running over to me said "coach the bootleg is open", I said lets give it to Tommie one more time, tell him go over the top if he has too. Well the defense was expecting the same thing one of their guys met him at the top of his leap, put his helmet on the ball, the ball squirted out, and they recovered it and was able to run out the clock and win the game and the league title... Still a good call. They just made a play.
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Post by joelee on Nov 14, 2018 10:23:14 GMT -6
The top team in our league had a 2nd round playoff game last Friday at their place. Came back from down 21-7 to have the lead 28-27 late in the 4th. The opponent gets the ball, goes on a drive, and ends up with 1st & goal from the 1 with under a minute to play. The QB was the receiver and had run for 200+ yards and thrown for 150+, he'd had a good night. They got cute and tried to do something they hadn't done all night, shift into an unbalanced line. But the OL had already put their hands down. -5 on the penalty. Then turned around and tried the exact same thing again, same result, -5. Now 1st & 10 from the 11. Run, nothing. Run, +2, 3rd down they throw a pick in the end zone. Home team runs out the clock.
I've talked with a couple of folks that were at the game and they were just baffled by what the visitors did. Said there was no reason to get fancy right then, they had the size and the athletic QB, and they had a kicker that had done well on the PAT's.
I generally don't blame coaches for wins/losses, generally either decided before the 1st kickoff (mismatch) or it's turnovers or other on-field actions. But this seems to be a 'What the heck were you thinking' kind of thing.
Just baffled here.
I watched this game live on NFHS... the visitors flat out choked from poor discipline --- side note -- yes, I am a degenerate and was watching playoff games not in my section on a Friday night... The home team was trying to LET THEM SCORE! so they could get the ball back it looked Here is the breakdown of what went down Visitors get the ball they are moving the ball kinda TD called by for chop block at 3:02 Run to 2 yard line called back for penalty at 1:46 3rd and 15 they complete a long pass - 1st and goal at 9 they huddle... break huddle into unbalanced right double tight with power I right backfield... LG is late to align in his spot... Home teams is as confused with no one aligned on the LOS between LG and right TE!!! They run a double lead play strong... no one is trying to tackle him except for one kid who makes the play at the 1!!! Kids are talking to each other ad it looks like they are telling the tackler he was supposed to let the guy score... Home team takes a TO... Visitors were all lined up in the same unbalanced set to run another play when this happened... *** this is crazy*** The visitors do not huddle but run straight to the line following the TO and the QB runs sneak .... BUT THE DANG RT WAS NEVER SET AND THE DANG DEFENSE OFFERED NO RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QB just rushed the play... They were in the same formation as the play before... FALSE START!!!! FB is seen kneeling with hands in face screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO now they move the ball back 5 yards... Home team is staring at coaches to see if they should let them score still or not... they all make an X with their arms... looks to me as if they are going to let them score again haha Visitors align in UNBALANCED LEFT but they never get set AGAIN!!! kids were confused and someone flinches haha false start again now on the 11 yard line... 2nd and 11 - defense is now defending again Unbalanced left - toss play strong for -1 yards... Home team TO Same formation but now they flex the strong TE to the left - short side/boundary PA fade... INTERCEPTED game over... wow horrible discipline costs them a playoff win... COULD NOT BELIEVE IT I just rewatched it ...looked worse now... haha Sounds like the kids blew it. Thats not in game coaching. If you want to blame the coaches you have to blame the preparation and discipline aspect. But the kids blew it on the field.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 14, 2018 10:28:19 GMT -6
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 14, 2018 10:34:44 GMT -6
We almost kicked a FG on 1st and Goal. Everyone thought we scored so we sent in the XP team. Seemed like the side just signaled TD. Had to call a timeout. It was embarrassing but at least we caught it in time. Stuff happens. You get caught up in the game and you go nuts a little bit. The opposite sort of happened to me in a JV game. I thought we were short on a play near the goal line, so I called a play thinking it was second or third and goal. We scored on that play and then when I asked another assistant on the sideline what he wanted for the two point conversion, he looked at me and went, "Uh, Coach? That was the two point play..."
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Post by silkyice on Nov 14, 2018 10:41:45 GMT -6
We almost kicked a FG on 1st and Goal. Everyone thought we scored so we sent in the XP team. Seemed like the side just signaled TD. Had to call a timeout. It was embarrassing but at least we caught it in time. Stuff happens. You get caught up in the game and you go nuts a little bit. The opposite sort of happened to me in a JV game. I thought we were short on a play near the goal line, so I called a play thinking it was second or third and goal. We scored on that play and then when I asked another assistant on the sideline what he wanted for the two point conversion, he looked at me and went, "Uh, Coach? That was the two point play..." Perfect call.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 14, 2018 11:03:59 GMT -6
A few years ago we were in OT. We had scored and kicked the PAT. The other team got the ball and on 3rd down they looked like they scored. Refs didn't signal. Confusion reigned. I swear they scored and were going for 2 for the win. They rushed onto the ball for some reason. I was taking off my headsets. No call was made by me (I was calling the defense from the press box). Kids were just getting into our base goal line stuff and figuring out life.
Offense snaps the ball poorly...ball hits the ground. There is a scramble for it.
Game ends...we win.
But what I find out as I'm going down on the field...that play was the 4th down play. The other team hadn't even gotten into the end zone. I'm thinking..."if they score there and then line up for two...I'm walking in the bleachers...when I have to have a call ready".
Friggin refs jacked it up for both teams. There was confusion everywhere.
Not sure if you can blame the coach on that...he might have thought the same thing I did...that he was going for the win.
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Post by mattharris75 on Nov 14, 2018 11:16:31 GMT -6
This happened in Alabama this past week, in the first round of the playoffs: Northside vs. DARWhat the article doesn't mention is that the reason Northside was down on the 5 yard line before the fumble on their last drive is that Northside's running back had broken off what should have been a TD run to take the lead, but as he's running down the sideline for the score one of Northside's coaches screams at him to go down short of the end zone, so he slows up and is caught at the 5. Now, this is with only a couple of minutes left in the game... Talk about no faith in your defense. Instead of likely going up 37-36 with two minutes left they end up losing 36-30. Ouch.
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 14, 2018 11:19:06 GMT -6
We had an opponent who was driving the ball and going for the winning field goal. Running down the clock and assembling the FG team...players running around on the sideline...Got inside the 15 YL.
Their coach lost track of the downs...called for the team to spike the ball on 4th down.
After the game I asked him...WTF??
He said he had too many people on the headsets up in the booth and ALL of them were talking at the same time. Just lost track of the downs!
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Nov 14, 2018 13:59:41 GMT -6
I saw this in a High School All Star game several years ago...
Team "A" (can't remember if they were North,South, East or West) was up 14-10, about 15 seconds left in the game, they had tried to kneel the game out, but the other team was able to call a timeout with 15 seconds left and a 4th down, meaning Team "A" had to punt, from their own 30 or 35.
During the Timeout the Punting team's coach, told the punter to run backwards to his endzone and take a safety, and if he could try to "stay up" until there was zeros on the clock.
Well the kid ran backwards to his endzone, ran around, dodged a couple tacklers until 0:00 on the clock, but he dropped the ball and started celebrating the victory with his teammates. The opponents fell on the ball and won 16-14.
I tell this story every year when I review "taking a safety" with my team...
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Nov 14, 2018 14:04:00 GMT -6
I saw this in a High School All Star game several years ago... Team "A" (can't remember if they were North,South, East or West) was up 14-10, about 15 seconds left in the game, they had tried to kneel the game out, but the other team was able to call a timeout with 15 seconds left and a 4th down, meaning Team "A" had to punt, from their own 30 or 35. During the Timeout the Punting team's coach, told the punter to run backwards to his endzone and take a safety, and if he could try to "stay up" until there was zeros on the clock. Well the kid ran backwards to his endzone, ran around, dodged a couple tacklers until 0:00 on the clock, but he dropped the ball and started celebrating the victory with his teammates. The opponents fell on the ball and won 16-14. I tell this story every year when I review "taking a safety" with my team... How about doing that in State Playoff game.... thebiglead.com/2014/10/29/utah-high-school-football-game-has-the-most-unbelievable-ending-you-will-ever-see/
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Nov 14, 2018 14:22:56 GMT -6
I saw this in a High School All Star game several years ago... Team "A" (can't remember if they were North,South, East or West) was up 14-10, about 15 seconds left in the game, they had tried to kneel the game out, but the other team was able to call a timeout with 15 seconds left and a 4th down, meaning Team "A" had to punt, from their own 30 or 35. During the Timeout the Punting team's coach, told the punter to run backwards to his endzone and take a safety, and if he could try to "stay up" until there was zeros on the clock. Well the kid ran backwards to his endzone, ran around, dodged a couple tacklers until 0:00 on the clock, but he dropped the ball and started celebrating the victory with his teammates. The opponents fell on the ball and won 16-14. I tell this story every year when I review "taking a safety" with my team... How about doing that in State Playoff game.... thebiglead.com/2014/10/29/utah-high-school-football-game-has-the-most-unbelievable-ending-you-will-ever-see/Ouch... that had to hurt. The game I was talking about, the kids didn't know what had happened for a few moments later...
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Post by wingtol on Nov 14, 2018 20:16:56 GMT -6
Ouch... that had to hurt. The game I was talking about, the kids didn't know what had happened for a few moments later... And one more from a few years ago around here.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Nov 15, 2018 8:06:44 GMT -6
Ouch... that had to hurt. The game I was talking about, the kids didn't know what had happened for a few moments later... And one more from a few years ago around here. Unbelievable, you have to practice taking a safety.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 15, 2018 8:12:05 GMT -6
And one more from a few years ago around here. Unbelievable, you have to practice taking a safety. We do. Once a week.
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