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Post by Defcord on Sept 9, 2019 9:06:50 GMT -6
I am the DC at our school. This is my 4th time being the DC at a different school, but one I was also a head coach so it was a little different.
2 of the 3 stops I have been at have heavily favored offense. Not in a way that I thought was detrimental to our team, but in a way that gets annoying.
One of the guys on our staff this year is an old timer that has coached defense for 28 years and his favorite line is "Defense always gets screwed." He says it if it rains during defensive time, he says it on all penalties against the defense for or against our team, he says it when we have meetings and the offense always goes first. It's funny, but like all jokes it's funny because there's some truth in it.
I was interested in hearing other's experience about "defense getting screwed."
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Post by CS on Sept 9, 2019 11:23:56 GMT -6
I am the DC at our school. This is my 4th time being the DC at a different school, but one I was also a head coach so it was a little different. 2 of the 3 stops I have been at have heavily favored offense. Not in a way that I thought was detrimental to our team, but in a way that gets annoying. One of the guys on our staff this year is an old timer that has coached defense for 28 years and his favorite line is "Defense always gets screwed." He says it if it rains during defensive time, he says it on all penalties against the defense for or against our team, he says it when we have meetings and the offense always goes first. It's funny, but like all jokes it's funny because there's some truth in it. I was interested in hearing other's experience about "defense getting screwed." I always jockey to go first during practice cause my HC will keep running plays for what feels like eternity and leave me with 0 time left. I’ve been with him for a while now and I will slowly make my way over to him and let him know what time it is and he always says “right on time” |
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Post by blb on Sept 9, 2019 11:54:18 GMT -6
If you're not the HC not much you can do about it.
I always believed as Bear Bryant wrote in "The Winning Edge" - Defense, Kicking Game, then do what you can on Offense.
So we always practiced about 30 more minutes total time a week In-Season on Defense than Offense.
I wanted to be as prepared as possible on that side of the ball so we wouldn't have to rely on my "great" play calling when on offense because I might have a bad night, but still wanted to win anyway.
Additionally, one thing I learned from Woody Hayes - "The Defense Wins the Upsets."
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Post by realdawg on Sept 9, 2019 12:50:36 GMT -6
RPOs with the linemen blocking downfield when the ball is thrown is an excellent example on this thread.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 9, 2019 19:19:35 GMT -6
The last place I coached, and I love the head coach, everyone played and coached both ways. So we were working on our camp schedule a couple weeks before season started. He was showing me how practice schedule was the year before. Everyday started with offensive prepractice. I asked him when defensive prepractice was. He just laughed and said we have never done defensive prepractice. We adjusted it to get both done and he was cool about it. He loved offense and said that no previous defensive coordinator asked to do prepractice so he never thought about it or added it.
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 9, 2019 20:31:56 GMT -6
RPOs with the linemen blocking downfield when the ball is thrown is an excellent example on this thread. This! Cut it to one yard, maybe add an official just to watch that chit. Lol! RPOs are cheap, cheese, and the way some folks coach it up, it is straight up cheating. |
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Post by carookie on Sept 9, 2019 20:57:23 GMT -6
RPOs with the linemen blocking downfield when the ball is thrown is an excellent example on this thread. I successfully complained mid play last week and got a flag thrown on the opponent for that nonsense. So maybe the tide is turning |
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Post by morris on Sept 10, 2019 5:08:00 GMT -6
We start with defense and if time is cut in practice I cut it from O. We do tackling as D prepractice. I’m the HC and also call the O. I’ve always heard/knew about defense getting screwed so I try to make sure that doesn’t happen to us.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 10, 2019 5:34:46 GMT -6
We start with defense and if time is cut in practice I cut it from O. We do tackling as D prepractice. I’m the HC and also call the O. I’ve always heard/knew about defense getting screwed so I try to make sure that doesn’t happen to us. You are a good man! |
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Post by wingtol on Sept 10, 2019 5:42:03 GMT -6
The Texans defense got screwed last night when no one was screaming at the D not to touch a receiver if they caught the ball and fell down till after the clock hit :00
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Post by dmg10007 on Sept 10, 2019 6:23:45 GMT -6
The Texans defense got screwed last night when no one was screaming at the D not to touch a receiver if they caught the ball and fell down till after the clock hit :00 On this specifically I don't think it wouldve mattered in the NFL anymore. Pretty sure they made a rule about a ball carrier "Clearly giving himself up" or something like that, that considers the player down. Edit: Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1, Subsection D. " (d) when a runner declares himself down by:
(1) falling to the ground, or kneeling, and clearly making no immediate effort to advance. "
operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/#rule7 |
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Post by coachrj on Sept 10, 2019 7:02:13 GMT -6
Think it all depends on the coach, I'm an OC and the HC is an old vet DC. Defense comes first, if they need to go over on a period, they do. I'm the annoying OC who is pointing to his watch and saying "why do I bother to make a schedule". He usually mutters something about how I'm a millennial and then says defense is more important and walks away. He's the boss though! Just go with the flow!
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Post by stilltryin on Sept 10, 2019 8:40:33 GMT -6
Would never go so far as to say "Defense always get screwed." But I've coached with four OCs to this point, and I'm convinced they all suffer from the occupational disease of "one more." One more play, and then one more after that, and pretty soon it's getting dark.
We just laugh about it, offensive coaches included, knowing it's gonna happen again tomorrow, 'cause they can't help themselves.
And if that's the worst thing that happens at practice today, it was a good day.
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Post by agap on Sept 10, 2019 9:59:57 GMT -6
Would never go so far as to say "Defense always get screwed." But I've coached with four OCs to this point, and I'm convinced they all suffer from the occupational disease of "one more." One more play, and then one more after that, and pretty soon it's getting dark. We just laugh about it, offensive coaches included, knowing it's gonna happen again tomorrow, 'cause they can't help themselves. And if that's the worst thing that happens at practice today, it was a good day. In my experience, that one extra play is typically when someone gets hurt. |
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Post by blb on Sept 10, 2019 10:11:21 GMT -6
Would never go so far as to say "Defense always get screwed." But I've coached with four OCs to this point, and I'm convinced they all suffer from the occupational disease of "one more." One more play, and then one more after that, and pretty soon it's getting dark. We just laugh about it, offensive coaches included, knowing it's gonna happen again tomorrow, 'cause they can't help themselves. And if that's the worst thing that happens at practice today, it was a good day. In my experience, that one extra play is typically when someone gets hurt.
Yes, and things don't get better anyway when you've hit the point of diminishing returns.
Therre's always tomorrow.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 10, 2019 10:11:43 GMT -6
Would never go so far as to say "Defense always get screwed." But I've coached with four OCs to this point, and I'm convinced they all suffer from the occupational disease of "one more." One more play, and then one more after that, and pretty soon it's getting dark. We just laugh about it, offensive coaches included, knowing it's gonna happen again tomorrow, 'cause they can't help themselves. And if that's the worst thing that happens at practice today, it was a good day. In my experience, that one extra play is typically when someone gets hurt. ah yes, the old "run that again" mentality short story: I played o-line for a year at a really small college that nobody cares about, small college football is a mixed bag when it comes to coaching you got a few really solid guys and a few that would fit in on last chance U so at any rate I'm the backups backups at pretty much every spot and never should have been there in the first place but I end up as a scout TE on day so I'm run a little spider Y bannana or whatever was on the card and actually catch it for a gain of 8 or so...feeling pretty good about it so the DC who seemed to have a drinking problem screams at the mike backer for not being in the area then screams at us to run the play again....THIS time when I run the route obviously the mike will be there so I just kinda let the ball go through and juke out of the way of a recently screamed at middle linebacker DC comes unglued on me questioning my manlinhood and all the worthwhile qualities I apparently don't possess I remember thinking to myself how stupid the whole scene was.....does it really make us a better defense If I run the route and then allow the kid to kill me? Or does it just make the coach feel better because he can now talk about what a smart and hard hitting defense we have? It also dawned on me then that the level a guy coaches at doesn't have crap to do with how good a coach he is. There might have been two guys on that staff that would have been able to coach with the guys I played for in high school. But I suppose you get what you can get when you are paying like 20k a year plus haircut stamp card and access to the student union pool table. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 10, 2019 11:13:23 GMT -6
So is there really an offensive bias? Or is it just a HC bias, whichever side he coaches usually gets more attention?
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Post by blb on Sept 10, 2019 13:21:28 GMT -6
So is there really an offensive bias? Or is it just a HC bias, whichever side he coaches usually gets more attention?
I don't know if it's "bias" so much as philosophical if that makes sense.
Have already posted on this thread, but I will add this:
During the summer when we couldn't have contact (EXCEPT for blocking shields) we obviously spent a lot more time on offense than defense, except for teaching basics like Stance-Starts, some agility-footwork, basic alignments-keys , and coverages in 7-on-7.
So I felt we needed more time once the pads came on in teaching Defensive fundamentals - Block Protection, Tackling, etc.
And since we spent more time without pads teaching offense we didn't need as much time on that side of the ball, just continue to polish.
Not that we neglected OL, because I was an old OL coach at heart.
From observation I think some coaches spend more time on offense because it's harder to coach and kids can get defensive practice better on Scout team (a 3 technique is 3 technique regardless of who's defense you're playing for ex.) than vice-versa.
Again, maybe more philosophical than bias.
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