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Post by coachpcr on Sept 13, 2019 9:42:24 GMT -6
A coach in a nearby town got a DUI early Saturday. .19 an hour after the traffic stop. He was placed on administrative leave from his AD position (until Oct 10) and was suspended from coaching the rest of the season. Do you think a coach getting a DUI should be fired?
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Post by bulldogsdc on Sept 13, 2019 9:45:10 GMT -6
Yes.
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 13, 2019 9:58:31 GMT -6
Had a coach on my staff the first years I was a head who knew he was over the limit and pulled over but was still behind the wheel when the police came upon him. He addressed the whole school and got involved in the different substance abuse programs. He wasn't suspended but definitely turned the bad situation into something good. A great guy actually. A local coach a few years back (head coach) got a DWI. He wasn't fired or suspended and sort of got a "what a scamp" reputation. A "that's just him" thing. Did not turn a bad situation into something good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 10:03:40 GMT -6
1st offense absolutely not, use it as a teaching lesson for the kids that we all make mistakes. Tack on a similar suspension that a kid would face as well as having to take educational classes, etc.
After that absolutely let the guy go.
We make mistakes as humans, just canning someone because they made a mistake and nobody learns anything.
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 13, 2019 10:05:58 GMT -6
1st offense absolutely not, use it as a teaching lesson for the kids that we all make mistakes. This is NOT a "mistake"! It's WRONG...and he knew it.
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Post by MICoach on Sept 13, 2019 10:09:45 GMT -6
Is he a teacher? Curious if union legal protection includes for coaching positions or not...I have no idea.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 13, 2019 10:15:25 GMT -6
Twice the legal limit? Yes, he should be fired.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Sept 13, 2019 11:12:15 GMT -6
Is he a teacher? Curious if union legal protection includes for coaching positions or not...I have no idea. There is protection for teachers and coaches in most places ... but everywhere I have been has a morality cause in the contract and this would void that cause.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 13, 2019 13:25:12 GMT -6
Yes. He's an adult and seriously screwed up.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 13, 2019 14:09:18 GMT -6
public employee...
immediately fired around here
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Post by 19delta on Sept 13, 2019 14:12:54 GMT -6
If he blew a .19 an hour after the stop, that dude was HAMMERED when he got behind the wheel. Hard to believe he even got the car out of the parking lot. Also, if he was that drunk and still able to drive, then my guess is that he is a pro and this was just the first time he got caught.
Driver Ed teacher here...no sympathy for drunk drivers. Yes, he should be fired.
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Post by blb on Sept 13, 2019 14:37:29 GMT -6
If he blew a .19 an hour after the stop, that dude was HAMMERED when he got behind the wheel. Hard to believe he even got the car out of the parking lot. Also, if he was that drunk and still able to drive, then my guess is that he is a pro and this was just the first time he got caught. Driver Ed teacher here...no sympathy for drunk drivers. Yes, he should be fired.
I had a friend get suspended for three games as HFC and later resign (under pressure) for similar incident.
Good coach, good father. Bad mistake, obviously.
Ironic thing is school kept him as teacher and let him be assistant coach in another sport.
Plus he has been hired as an assistant football coach at other schools since then.
So I guess what I'm saying is I don't know the answer.
But I can't disagree with 19delta .
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Post by Defcord on Sept 13, 2019 16:14:14 GMT -6
What about a teacher that gets stopped for texting and driving?
Some research is showing that it’s as dangerous or worse.
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Post by CS on Sept 13, 2019 16:33:31 GMT -6
Had a white coach text to a black mom about her son telling her that he didn’t help him get recruited because he “didn’t like the n****r” and not get fired.
Had a coach get drunk 2 years ago around here and steal a boat and didn’t get fired...until he did it again.
Guess it depends on how good a coach he is 😂
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Post by carookie on Sept 13, 2019 19:05:09 GMT -6
Had a white coach text to a black mom about her son telling her that he didn’t help him get recruited because he “didn’t like the n****r” and not get fired. Had a coach get drunk 2 years ago around here and steal a boat and didn’t get fired... until he did it again.Guess it depends on how good a coach he is 😂 What?!?! I don't know what to say about that, but thats something. Gutsy, stupid, insane.
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Post by CS on Sept 13, 2019 19:28:42 GMT -6
Had a white coach text to a black mom about her son telling her that he didn’t help him get recruited because he “didn’t like the n****r” and not get fired. Had a coach get drunk 2 years ago around here and steal a boat and didn’t get fired... until he did it again.Guess it depends on how good a coach he is 😂 What?!?! I don't know what to say about that, but thats something. Gutsy, stupid, insane. Yeah. It was one of those funny stories going around the state when he first did it and it became legendary when he did it again. There was another guy last year that got drunk and went joy riding in the school car and wrecked it. He got fired
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Post by tigerpride on Sept 13, 2019 22:19:49 GMT -6
Brain surgeon would not get fired.
Teacher would not get fired.
A coach in our district would get fired.
Uber!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 10:24:52 GMT -6
A non-tenured teacher would get fired here.
A coach may or may not, depending on where, who he knows, and how successful the team is.
An administrator would maybe be suspended with pay for a few weeks.
A school board member would have no price to pay at all.
I say this from experience seeing all 4 get busted for similar DUI/alcohol-related offenses.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 14, 2019 12:47:17 GMT -6
A non-tenured teacher would get fired here. A coach may or may not, depending on where, who he knows, and how successful the team is. An administrator would maybe be suspended with pay for a few weeks. A school board member would have no price to pay at all. I say this from experience seeing all 4 get busted for similar DUI/alcohol-related offenses. Was going to say the same thing, particularly about the school board member. My district had a school board member arrested for shoplifting. The arrest came out before the election, but she was basically running opposed, and the details of the incident were not public prior to the vote. After the election, details come out, police report comes out quoting the SB member explaining her reasoning "I was trying to save money"... School Board President and Board vote to ask her for her resignation. She doubles down and says she was voted in by a higher margin, and that proved the public supported her...
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Post by freezeoption on Sept 14, 2019 14:20:01 GMT -6
I know a coach who has 2 for certain maybe 3. Nothing happened. He is in his hometown and they let it go.
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Post by coachlit on Sept 14, 2019 17:48:30 GMT -6
I personally don’t believe one offense should warrant someone being fired. On a side note, a wrestling coach in my school district got a DUI, didn’t get fired. He got a second DWI for being drunk in a Walmart parking lot and having inhalants. It took about 4-5 months for him to be fired from teaching and coaching.
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Post by 54695469 on Sept 15, 2019 9:45:22 GMT -6
You have a Code of Conduct for your athletes. How can you not expect your staff to model what you expect of your kids? I understand that coaches are adults and all of that stuff, but you simply cannot allow such duplicity. Not when it comes to DWI. I'm not a Pollyanna, but a coach getting a DWI is a big deal that deserves at least the same punishment that a player would receive - if you want your programs integrity to remain intact.
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Post by 53 on Sept 15, 2019 14:06:53 GMT -6
In my county, it would depend on who you were and how public the news became.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 16, 2019 10:51:16 GMT -6
A non-tenured teacher would get fired here. A coach may or may not, depending on where, who he knows, and how successful the team is. An administrator would maybe be suspended with pay for a few weeks. A school board member would have no price to pay at all. I say this from experience seeing all 4 get busted for similar DUI/alcohol-related offenses.
Same around here with the exception of a board member. They'd potentially lose their position if it hit the media.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 16, 2019 11:00:05 GMT -6
Probably would be fired in most places.
It's the price you pay for being a public servant- you have to stay squeaky clean.
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Post by paydirt18 on Sept 16, 2019 11:07:32 GMT -6
If you have to get drunk after your game, why not Uber or Lyft? That's what I would do. Seems like a no-brainer.
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Post by dbeck84 on Sept 16, 2019 11:47:02 GMT -6
If you have to get drunk after your game, why not Uber or Lyft? That's what I would do. Seems like a no-brainer. A lot of areas of the country don't have Uber or Lyft or taxi service.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 16, 2019 12:36:12 GMT -6
If you have to get drunk after your game, why not Uber or Lyft? That's what I would do. Seems like a no-brainer. A lot of areas of the country don't have Uber or Lyft or taxi service.
Well if there's no Uber or Lyft, that's different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 15:08:29 GMT -6
A non-tenured teacher would get fired here. A coach may or may not, depending on where, who he knows, and how successful the team is. An administrator would maybe be suspended with pay for a few weeks. A school board member would have no price to pay at all. I say this from experience seeing all 4 get busted for similar DUI/alcohol-related offenses.
Same around here with the exception of a board member. They'd potentially lose their position if it hit the media.
There’s a board member here who’s facing domestic violence charges for getting drunk and beating his girlfriend. When the cops showed up he was so plastered he couldn’t speak coherently. The officer gave a sworn statement as to his level of intoxication. Then he violated a restraining order and showed up at her new place a few weeks later, drunk again and threatening her. This was not the first time he’s been arrested for such allegations. He’s also had numerous complaints by female district employees of harassment and stalking that go back years. There’s been pressure on the school board to boot him out, but they have been nothing but supportive and have steadfastly stuck by him, speaking positively about his character and saying that it’s a matter for the courts to decide and it doesn’t affect his position in any way unless he’s convicted. Meanwhile, the same school board and administration interprets our state’s revised code of ethics to say it puts a teacher in violation of he or she is seen having a single drink in public. They fired a bunch of people over social jmedia posts last year. I also used to coach somewhere that had a known cocaine dealer sitting on the county government for years and years. Politics are funny sometimes.
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Post by blb on Sept 16, 2019 15:17:50 GMT -6
Administrators only care about getting their next jobs or keeping the ones they have.
Teachers-coaches don't help them do either.
BITD administrators cared about-took care of their people.
Now parents especially school board members can get them fired for one personal issue.
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