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Post by blb on Oct 25, 2009 8:24:34 GMT -6
Something that we struggle with is this: Player A doesnt show up for film session on Saturday Coach is going over film and talks about player A mistakes and performance matter of factly " johnson got reached here, his outside shoulder is blocked and that allows the tackle to block the mike" Player A has a friend in the crowd that has a totally FUBAR "filter" and thrives off drama, tells player A that the coach is "calling him out" or "talking crap" about him or whatever. Player A being really sensitive and not at film to hear what is really discussed wants to quit. Player A continues to make the same mistakes as always because he missed film session and hes the kid who needed it most. he carries a sour attitude with him and resists coaching because he thinks the staff doesnt like him. Player A ends up in the doghouse. when player A finally quits, he takes his FUBAR filter friend with him. tdm, if A doesn't show up for film session, there's a problem before his FUBAR friend talks to him. Our players are required to attend film unless church obligation, family emergency (death) or illness (near-death), just like any practice or meeting in-season. If they don't they receive extra special individualized attention after practice Monday.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 25, 2009 8:27:28 GMT -6
What about when coaches do it to coaches?
I have been coaching this team for the 15th game together with this coaching staff and a kid gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for a late hit. I pull the kid out of the game.
I guess it is just one of my things. I don't care what the reason is, I am going to pull the kid out and let him cool off for a play or two and talk to him about what happened. It does three things, let's the kid cool off and tell his side of the story, shows the refs and the other team how important good sportsmanship is and helps me to understand what happened and what my next step should be.
Anyway, this is the first unsportsmanship penalty in 15 games. I say, "get him out". The DC goes nuts. "That is some bull crap coach, that is some bull crap, he's the only one hitting out there and you are going to take him out? That is some bull crap you are punishing him for something he didn't do".
I didn't say a word, I just let him carry on, took the kid out talked to him and then let him back in the game. The player told me that he was falling out of bounds as someone was pushing him too.
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Post by phantom on Oct 25, 2009 9:17:57 GMT -6
What about when coaches do it to coaches? I have been coaching this team for the 15th game together with this coaching staff and a kid gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for a late hit. I pull the kid out of the game. I guess it is just one of my things. I don't care what the reason is, I am going to pull the kid out and let him cool off for a play or two and talk to him about what happened. It does three things, let's the kid cool off and tell his side of the story, shows the refs and the other team how important good sportsmanship is and helps me to understand what happened and what my next step should be. Anyway, this is the first unsportsmanship penalty in 15 games. I say, "get him out". The DC goes nuts. "That is some bull crap coach, that is some bull crap, he's the only one hitting out there and you are going to take him out? That is some bull crap you are punishing him for something he didn't do". I didn't say a word, I just let him carry on, took the kid out talked to him and then let him back in the game. The player told me that he was falling out of bounds as someone was pushing him too. Our boss doesn't need to justify his decisions to assistants during games.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 25, 2009 10:44:10 GMT -6
What about when coaches do it to coaches? I have been coaching this team for the 15th game together with this coaching staff and a kid gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for a late hit. I pull the kid out of the game. I guess it is just one of my things. I don't care what the reason is, I am going to pull the kid out and let him cool off for a play or two and talk to him about what happened. It does three things, let's the kid cool off and tell his side of the story, shows the refs and the other team how important good sportsmanship is and helps me to understand what happened and what my next step should be. Anyway, this is the first unsportsmanship penalty in 15 games. I say, "get him out". The DC goes nuts. "That is some bull crap coach, that is some bull crap, he's the only one hitting out there and you are going to take him out? That is some bull crap you are punishing him for something he didn't do". I didn't say a word, I just let him carry on, took the kid out talked to him and then let him back in the game. The player told me that he was falling out of bounds as someone was pushing him too. Our boss doesn't need to justify his decisions to assistants during games. Exactly.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 25, 2009 11:21:05 GMT -6
Something that we struggle with is this: Player A doesnt show up for film session on Saturday Coach is going over film and talks about player A mistakes and performance matter of factly " johnson got reached here, his outside shoulder is blocked and that allows the tackle to block the mike" Player A has a friend in the crowd that has a totally FUBAR "filter" and thrives off drama, tells player A that the coach is "calling him out" or "talking crap" about him or whatever. Player A being really sensitive and not at film to hear what is really discussed wants to quit. Player A continues to make the same mistakes as always because he missed film session and hes the kid who needed it most. he carries a sour attitude with him and resists coaching because he thinks the staff doesnt like him. Player A ends up in the doghouse. when player A finally quits, he takes his FUBAR filter friend with him. tdm, if A doesn't show up for film session, there's a problem before his FUBAR friend talks to him. Our players are required to attend film unless church obligation, family emergency (death) or illness (near-death), just like any practice or meeting in-season. If they don't they receive extra special individualized attention after practice Monday.[/quote you betcha. theres a problem there.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Oct 25, 2009 13:02:26 GMT -6
I've seen all of the things many of you have described, but what really bugs me is when coaches FLAT OUT DON'T COACH!!! Coached with a DL guy a fews years back and our DEs had a rough season; they couldn't get off of the ball, they didn't get their hands on the OL, they didn't fight pressure, they had no idea how to take on a trap, they blew contain all the time because they couldn't get off of the ball and fight. The DL guy SCREAMED at them all freaking year... Just tore them down all year.. Heard alot of 'JUST GO BE AND ATHLETE!!' Funny thing was HE never taught them how to do the things he asked of them. During INDY periods, he'd have them hitting the sleds the whole time on a friggin snap count, not on movement. They didn't even learn how to take on half of a man with the drill; they were striking the middle of the sled.... During inside run and team time, the DEs would do something wrong and he'd just go ape on them. He'd tell them how to do something, but he'd never really show them how to do it and they never got any reps at it. That sounds exactly like the DT coach and HC/DC/ILBs/DEs coach I played for my senior year. He wasn't such a bad OL coach after playing there in college but he was terrible with the DTs. During indie drills all we did was line up across from each other and hit with NO instruction on technique at all. Then we'd line up and do team for about 45 minutes on each side. During games we had tons of trouble dealing with double teams--we usually lined up in 3 techs, so EVERYBODY doubled us--and all we'd hear on from these coaches was "GET OFF THE BLOCK!" "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!" "OUR {censored} TACKLES ARE KILLING US!" They took to yanking people in and out and blaming them for the defense's struggles against dives and inside runs. We had a junior--who was in his second year as a starter and one of the hardest working players on our team, quit at midseason because he got benched and dressed down in front of everyone at halftime so they could put in someone who'd only came out that week. This same player talked trash to everyone on the team about how we all sucked, then quit himself 3 weeks later after being knocked around and yelled at. Only years later, as I wanted to get into coaching and started doing my homework, did I learn that the #1 job of a 3 tech in a Split 4 defense is not to get reached and to hold up to a double team. That's also when I learned how to do it and teach it properly.
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Post by statueleft on Oct 25, 2009 13:12:50 GMT -6
On the flip side, I have been guilty of yelling during a game and forgetting to coach them up....I am also learning all the while. I have started to get real quiet after an error ( usually a turnover) and then the kids start to wonder when I am going to explode. All part of my own process of getting better at coaching. I will say that some kids love the piss and vinegar approach while some of the kids ( when I get in their face) start to tear up when I say their last name really sternly.....Some kids just handle this differently.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 25, 2009 13:44:39 GMT -6
I've seen all of the things many of you have described, but what really bugs me is when coaches FLAT OUT DON'T COACH!!! Coached with a DL guy a fews years back and our DEs had a rough season; they couldn't get off of the ball, they didn't get their hands on the OL, they didn't fight pressure, they had no idea how to take on a trap, they blew contain all the time because they couldn't get off of the ball and fight. The DL guy SCREAMED at them all freaking year... Just tore them down all year.. Heard alot of 'JUST GO BE AND ATHLETE!!' Funny thing was HE never taught them how to do the things he asked of them. During INDY periods, he'd have them hitting the sleds the whole time on a friggin snap count, not on movement. They didn't even learn how to take on half of a man with the drill; they were striking the middle of the sled.... During inside run and team time, the DEs would do something wrong and he'd just go ape on them. He'd tell them how to do something, but he'd never really show them how to do it and they never got any reps at it. That sounds exactly like the DT coach and HC/DC/ILBs/DEs coach I played for my senior year. He wasn't such a bad OL coach after playing there in college but he was terrible with the DTs. During indie drills all we did was line up across from each other and hit with NO instruction on technique at all. Then we'd line up and do team for about 45 minutes on each side. During games we had tons of trouble dealing with double teams--we usually lined up in 3 techs, so EVERYBODY doubled us--and all we'd hear on from these coaches was "GET OFF THE BLOCK!" "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!" "OUR girl thingy TACKLES ARE KILLING US!" They took to yanking people in and out and blaming them for the defense's struggles against dives and inside runs. We had a junior--who was in his second year as a starter and one of the hardest working players on our team, quit at midseason because he got benched and dressed down in front of everyone at halftime so they could put in someone who'd only came out that week. This same player talked trash to everyone on the team about how we all sucked, then quit himself 3 weeks later after being knocked around and yelled at. Only years later, as I wanted to get into coaching and started doing my homework, did I learn that the #1 job of a 3 tech in a Split 4 defense is not to get reached and to hold up to a double team. That's also when I learned how to do it and teach it properly. Great perspective. I hate it when I go to a game and i hear from the sidelines things like come on line, get a block. Or "Who wants it more?" If a 3 tech is taking on two blockers, I think that would be a good thing, unless the double team is into the lap of the backers.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 25, 2009 13:53:28 GMT -6
how about giving awards at the awards banquet to kids who are good athletes but dont necessarily "deserve" or "earn" an award but you are concerned bout their psyche? ie want to make sure they come back?
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 25, 2009 14:43:11 GMT -6
Again, great thread. I don't think that you can "correct" a situation like you've mentioned without saying first, "you lost contain." I don't know how you would not be able to correct a DE who lost contain without saying, "hey, you lost contain." Then follow it up with, "you had the wrong foot up, or keep your outside arm free" or something like that.
But I don't know how you would correct a kid on the sidelines who has done something without saying what he did wrong first.
What I'm talking about is a coach who screams out at the kid on the field, "You missed the ball" "You dropped the ball", "you fumbled."
This is different than trying to fix something on the sidelines. Maybe I didn't make my self clear.
I have a Soph QB that thinks he knows something, while he is the #1 QB in OUR county, he certainly doesn't know anything. That little jerk changed a pass pattern that I had called.
I chewed his butt out for doing that. Of course it was incomplete because he doesn't know anything. We all have to chew kids out from time to time.
But yelling out to the field to the top of your lungs, "you dropped the ball" "the line's not blocking" "you fumbled" is not productive. This is why I had to get rid of this guy, well that and a few other related things.
Just to clarify.
TDmaker, I know what you mean about that film thing. The team I have this year isn't very good, actually maybe the 3rd worst team I've ever coached. Some of these kids take turns doing things that lose the game for us, it seems like it's on purpose some times.
A couple of weeks ago, a certain kid just totally blew up our defense by running backwards off the LOS, we couldn't see it in the game, but one film he was super noticable. On film day he wasn't there, of course. I was going to show the film and correct his mistake, (like I could) but anyway. I chose not to say anything at all about his unbelievable play. The kids picked it out, and I had to tell them to shut up, but I also made the point that as a defensive tackle you don't standup and run the wrong way.
Even without we saying one thing about this kid, he heard that the other guys were calling him out and got upset about it. However, it did turn out good as he never decided to play D.B again from the 3 tech position. But he did cause a stink, sometimes you just can't win.
OJW
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Post by coachorr on Oct 25, 2009 14:56:44 GMT -6
"However, it did turn out good as he never decided to play D.B again from the 3 tech position. But he did cause a stink, sometimes you just can't win."
OJW, didn't you watch the SuperBowl last year when Pittsburg's Dend made an interception. If only we coaches could get more of that from Dline, I bet we would see a lot more wins, afterall, they do it all the time in the NFL don't they. (complete sarcasm). ;D
I think criticism is great, if as you say, it has some coaching point included.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Oct 25, 2009 21:06:26 GMT -6
I think criticism is great, if as you say, it has some coaching point included. And that's the key. It has to be productive criticism. If a player's screwing up stuff, it's appropriate to get in his face to drive the point home at times. However, just screaming "Our tackles are killing us!" to the rest of the team or "Get off the block!" during a game doesn't do anything but embarrass your players for failing at something they are trying very hard to do. It's a communication breakdown. I really think a lot of coaching issues come back to these. In HS I started games at every position along our DL at some time or another due to injuries. My freshman year, I played 4 varsity games at DE and routinely got chewed out for losing contain. It wasn't until halfway through my sophomore year, when I'd been moved inside but forced back to DE because of injuries--that anyone ever bothered to explain to me what "contain" even meant. That was only because I asked a coach in the middle of being chewed out. I sat on the bench the rest of the game for it and was replaced at DE the following week. The lesson I got from it was "never let the coaches know if you're confused."
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Post by coachinghopeful on Oct 25, 2009 21:29:15 GMT -6
That sounds exactly like the DT coach and HC/DC/ILBs/DEs coach I played for my senior year. He wasn't such a bad OL coach after playing there in college but he was terrible with the DTs. During indie drills all we did was line up across from each other and hit with NO instruction on technique at all. Then we'd line up and do team for about 45 minutes on each side. During games we had tons of trouble dealing with double teams--we usually lined up in 3 techs, so EVERYBODY doubled us--and all we'd hear on from these coaches was "GET OFF THE BLOCK!" "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!" "OUR girl thingy TACKLES ARE KILLING US!" They took to yanking people in and out and blaming them for the defense's struggles against dives and inside runs. We had a junior--who was in his second year as a starter and one of the hardest working players on our team, quit at midseason because he got benched and dressed down in front of everyone at halftime so they could put in someone who'd only came out that week. This same player talked trash to everyone on the team about how we all sucked, then quit himself 3 weeks later after being knocked around and yelled at. Only years later, as I wanted to get into coaching and started doing my homework, did I learn that the #1 job of a 3 tech in a Split 4 defense is not to get reached and to hold up to a double team. That's also when I learned how to do it and teach it properly. Great perspective. I hate it when I go to a game and i hear from the sidelines things like come on line, get a block. Or "Who wants it more?" If a 3 tech is taking on two blockers, I think that would be a good thing, unless the double team is into the lap of the backers. Looking back on my example above, I think favoritism and desperation on the part of our HC played a role. At the time our school had a strong tradition, even a surplus, of big countryboy linemen but very little speed at the other positions so we usually stunk. My freshman year we had a 320 lb stud NG who ran 4.9, but unfortunately that made him the 5th fastest player on our whole team. Our new HC/DC (who was also the ILB and DE coach and a former standout RB, S, and LB) had worked very hard to successfully recruit the halls--and even other schools' castoffs--for speed. He'd even made them a lot of promises regarding positions, starting, practices, etc. When the games started, he didn't want "his" "athletes" being called out for making tackles 6 and 7 yards downfield, but he thought "fat kids" were just interchangeable parts on the DL. I don't think he even understood the basics of line play past "Get low." After he'd been there a year, the situation was a complete 180. All of a sudden they had all the little speedy guys you could ever want but no linemen. He and his entire staff have been gone for a few years now and they still have speed but no size. It's weird.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 25, 2009 21:29:39 GMT -6
This is what I try to do.
Name: "Billy" Positive: "Way to get off the ball". Transition: "Now" (Never use the word 'but') Critique: "We want you to finish the block with your feet".
Easier to do if you have a deep bench. Small teams or few athletes result in not getting to talk to the kids very often during the game on what they are doing wrong. Also, if the kid keeps making the same mistake, you have to put it back on him. "Johnny, we have been teaching you about not going underneath the block, until you can figure it out, we can't play you, because you are leaving other players out to dry."
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Post by coachcb on Oct 25, 2009 23:27:42 GMT -6
This is what I try to do. Name: "Billy" Positive: "Way to get off the ball". Transition: "Now" (Never use the word 'but') Critique: "We want you to finish the block with your feet". Easier to do if you have a deep bench. Small teams or few athletes result in not getting to talk to the kids very often during the game on what they are doing wrong. Also, if the kid keeps making the same mistake, you have to put it back on him. "Johnny, we have been teaching you about not going underneath the block, until you can figure it out, we can't play you, because you are leaving other players out to dry." This is exactly how I coach. To the tee. It has served me well over the years. I also get very excited when kids do the right things, even if it's a small thing like a DE spilling a counter play to the perimeter. I have found that the positive vibe that I try to exude during practice and games can become contagious in a hurry. We were scrimmaging the JV in practice last week and it was an AWESOME session. The JV TB was hitting us 3-4 yards a pop off of IZ and counter, but he was taking a freakin beating doing it. The soph defense put a beating on that kid (I know, I know, same team..) and I was jumping up and down about it. Now, I could have gotten all PMS'ey because we were giving up yardage, but the kids were playing their guts out, so there was no point. In between jumping up and down, I coached the kids up on shedding, finding cutback lanes, etc... But, I always began every one of those discussion by patting them on the back for laying the wood out there on people. That's the way I try to coach defense, I tell the kids to keep their eyes off of the scoreboard and everything else around them and just flat out beat the sh-t out of the opposing offense. We played a pretty solid soph team this last Friday afternoon; a team we don't beat very often at the soph level. A team that I have never beaten. They had a heck of a TB and the kid was picking up some yards on us, but we had 5-7 black hats on that kid every time he carried the ball. By half time, he didn't want to have carry that ball anymore; he was getting sick and tired of getting popped in the mouth every down. In the situation I was in, I know a lot of coaches who would've been screaming and yelling at the kids for giving up 4 yards on a carry, regardless of the fact that they were punishing that back and making him pay for every inch he got. The bottom line is, you have to find a way to get the absolute most out of your kids as possible. For me, it's about being positive with everything, but also trying to emphasize the violent nature of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 5:42:03 GMT -6
Nothing has {censored} me off more in all my years involved with this sport then nepotism and favoritism. I know we all have the kids that get on our nerves and the kids we like. But I do my best to give everyone PT and treat them all as equals. Because in my prior expierience, I have seen that play out in two ways. One is nepotism. Watch a youth football game, usually 75% of QBs are the coaches son, and they wil never play the position once the dad isnt by their side. When I was in 6th grade I played behind a god awful QB. Dads kid. The entire team wanted me in there, because this kid couldnt throw a ball more than 10 yards downfield, and didnt want to play the game. I always outshone him when I had my oppurtinities and wound up starting the next year on another team, we pummeled my old coaches team 42 6. I have always held resent for him to not giving me a shot. In HS, as a backup Soph qb on JV, we had 2 qbs. One was about 6 2 205 pounds could throw a football 65 yards, mobile, but was a troublemaker and often "drew" his own plays in the huddle(Kid you not). The other QB, 5 foot 7 160 pounds at a 4A school could only throw about 40 but smarter with the ball. Dad is the richest man in the area. Buys accomadations for the school, and gets the kid the job. Kid gets hurt halfway through the year. Backup throws for 1350 yards and 13 TD in 6 games. For the playoffs he is on the bench, and daddys boy throws 4 ints.Pissed the hell out of the entire team. We also had a player who was a god gifted athlete, but screwed around got into a lot of trouble had bad grades a team cancer, who was always given a reprieve while his backup who was the hardest working kid on the team sat down. Not meaning to rant, but that s**** gets me mad Unfortunately crap like this got me fired from my last HC job. I had a young QB who was a great worker and was pushing our starter who's dad is a school board member. Well, the starter gets hurt in week 1 with a concussion (option QB) and the backup comes in and does very well in the 3 games he plays in (113 yds. per game rushing 74 per game passing over 3 game span). Starter comes back, but doesn't push himself in practice, thinks he is just supposed to get his job back. After 2 weeks of this, I get a phone call from "daddy" telling me to start his boy, or find a new line of work. I tell him, that his son is not working or earning it in practice to which he tells me "he earned it by being a senior and having the best arm in the county". Since we were throwing a wopping 10 times a game that was so important. However, the young man could not earn his job back, quit the following week and at the end of a 7-5 season that put us 2 rounds deep in the playoffs I get fired! The good news, I guess, is that the best they've been in the last 2 years is 5-5 and right now they are 1-7. The bad news is this past week we snapped an 18 game losing streak that I've been the DC for 16 of the 18 games! Be careful how you handle some of these, everything isn't as "rosey" as some would like to believe. Duece
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 26, 2009 12:13:12 GMT -6
Congrats Deuce, Can you send me some of that "magic" a little north? I sure need it about right now.
Glad y'all have been able to get going, I know that it's been a long haul for you. Best of luck,
OJW
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Post by gunrun on Oct 26, 2009 12:33:21 GMT -6
coachorr and coachcb, good examples of how to validate (and with enthusiasm) what a player did correctly before you point out what they need to improve on. I like the use of the word NOW instead of BUT--I will have to remember that.
Now, the one thing I will yell at a kid for is a lack of effort. I don't call the kid a sorry piece of crap, but I call out the effort itself. That way you are criticizing the effort, not the kid personally. Then, I like to build him back up: "Joe, that effort is awful. You're a better player than that." or "I don't who that is out there wearing #5, but that sure isn't Joe Blow. Joe Blow doesn't ever loaf on a football play."
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Post by coachcb on Oct 26, 2009 18:24:56 GMT -6
coachorr and coachcb, good examples of how to validate (and with enthusiasm) what a player did correctly before you point out what they need to improve on. I like the use of the word NOW instead of BUT--I will have to remember that. Now, the one thing I will yell at a kid for is a lack of effort. I don't call the kid a sorry piece of crap, but I call out the effort itself. That way you are criticizing the effort, not the kid personally. Then, I like to build him back up: "Joe, that effort is awful. You're a better player than that." or "I don't who that is out there wearing #5, but that sure isn't Joe Blow. Joe Blow doesn't ever loaf on a football play." When I am not getting effort from a kid at practice, I ask to leave the field until they want to play hard. I don't yell at them, I don't tear into them. I neutrally ask them to get off of the field and only come back when they want to play hard. But, I make sure that they were being lazy, not playing slow because I haven't taught them something. If they're loafing during a game, they get pulled out, period. I generally pull them for a series or THREE, enough time for me to tell them to show me some effort. If they've been lazy at practice all week, they don't play and they know why. All I ask of the players is to work hard and to be coachable. Pretty simple expectations.
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Post by dhooper on Oct 27, 2009 10:50:24 GMT -6
It's tough and it's a tough game. I feel as a coach I'm trying to build men, men who come out of my program ready to take on the world and its hard facts of life. I sometimes get on some players more then others but I also feel I am maturing them for the real world. I don't believe in baby the players. Yes I let them know how much I care for them, but they also know how much I expect. 100% I have seen coaches go over board there is a fine line. In todays world it seems that kids get baby way to much thats why they play x-box instead of playing sports. Military does a great job.
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Post by coachcarnac on Oct 27, 2009 11:00:45 GMT -6
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Post by coachdubyah on Oct 27, 2009 18:25:25 GMT -6
Sorry for B!tching. I just want to know some things to focus on so that you won't make these mistakes. I just want to know of some ways that you could monitor yourself. I am just a believer that we have all done these at some time or another in our careers. I mean these are kids we are dealing with they are going to p!ss you off on some days. Not saying it is ok to go off sometimes, but how do you deal with these issues when they occur???
Brophy, this is a very insightful post. Just had a conversation on this type stuff today. Would it be possible to provide some remedies?
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Post by brophy on Oct 27, 2009 18:39:12 GMT -6
As usual, like Godwin's Law or something, the intent of the thread has perverted itself down some self-righteous or misconstrued path.
The original intent was just to point out inconsistencies or practices common in the profession (traps to avoid) that are inefficient or down right blockading player development (hence, the thread title). This isn't a bitch session.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Oct 27, 2009 19:15:58 GMT -6
I wasn't bitching with my old stories. I was just trying to use them to illustrate this stuff in action and how it can be counterproductive. I learned a lot about how not to coach football from my HS days.
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Post by kkennedy on Oct 28, 2009 23:26:41 GMT -6
While no one wants to destroy or hinder their own players (counter productive to coaching), often times we do. What are some of the things you've witnessed, done, or have heard about that directly diminish a player's drive to succeed?
Sometimes the best things to learn are the things NOT to do.....
We mean well, but there may be times when we unknowingly sap production from our team via the words we say, the way we treat people, or how we 'coach'.
A few off the top of my head are; Talking about how much a player sucks: not challenging or pressuring a kid to get better, but just berating his abilities in off-hand comments, that his team mates buy into (the real issue). The player will find himself alienating himself from the staff and his team mates (see the third example) in a vicious-cycle of defeatest attitude. Best player excuse here directly avoiding challenging a player to develop past himself or accepting flaws simply because he's just better than everyone else (therefore, even with mistakes, the kid is better than whats behind him). This emotional coddling inhibits self-pressure and growth. Deliver all emotion, and no substance : hyping up a drill or responsibility through emotional transference (yelling and screaming), but not providing a clear direction in which to do accomplish what you want. "Throw Harder" / "Block somebody" come to mind.....telling the kid to improve his performance but not explaining HOW he can go about doing it, causing him to further doubt himself and begin sharing your frustration with him (only causing more errors for the player). That pic is of the Davison Cardinals is'nt it??
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Post by coachweav88 on Oct 29, 2009 6:16:17 GMT -6
One I'm big on is holding a grudge when a player does something wrong in-game. I do my best not to do it, but I see it frequently and I just don't get the logic that they willfully did the wrong thing, so it must be that they didn't know better or couldn't do it. Getting and staying peeved at them does nothing except excuse us from our responsibility to put them in a position to get it done. I'm dealing with that right now. Especially when we have drilled on the mistakes we're making, where they were shown and practiced doing it correctly. Then they don't it right come team time. ARGH!!!!
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Post by vassdiddy on Oct 29, 2009 12:40:09 GMT -6
Here is one I am guilty of - Position A doesn't have a solid starter and we get a new kid to football or from JV. He flashes and makes a play or two and I over praise him because I think I found our solution. It turns out he's just as average as the other guys or even worse. Now I've lost the guys that had his position before.
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