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Post by coachscdub on Jul 15, 2021 13:15:49 GMT -6
Background:
Currently i am in Colorado, been staying with some family for the Quarantine, i will be returning to California in the coming weeks, because of this the likelihood of me finding a coaching gig are slim (there are a few schools still looking for help, but it will be tough). Because of this i dont want to go another full season without football so i had an idea of how i could possibly be involved.
The Question:
Would you pay someone to do a self scout of your team?
Idea:
I know that hudl has a feature where they will do the scout work for you, but most teams i have seen use this, use it to scout their upcoming opponents, not scout themselves.
So the idea here, is that i would charge a small fee and i would go through a teams previous game(s) and create a scouting report for them.
Things like
- Tendencies (Run to Pass, Back location, Down and Distance, etc)
- Best Plays (statistically)
- Worst Plays (statistically)
Continued:
This is not me selling my 'expertise', i will not be installing anything or teaching/coaching anything, i'm not claiming that i am an expert at anything, this would be just a breakdown of your previous game(s), essentially you would be paying for labor.
So once again, Would this be something you would pay for? If so, how much?
This is not intended to be a money maker for me btw, just something to keep me connected to the game, and a small fee to help me out.
* I realize fully that some coaches do this themselves, and some coaches (on this board) will think this is idiotic and that no one would ever pay for this, however, i know that for some, this might appeal to those who want this information but dont have the time to do it themselves.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 15, 2021 13:40:04 GMT -6
Background: Currently i am in Colorado, been staying with some family for the Quarantine, i will be returning to California in the coming weeks, because of this the likelihood of me finding a coaching gig are slim (there are a few schools still looking for help, but it will be tough). Because of this i dont want to go another full season without football so i had an idea of how i could possibly be involved. The Question:
Would you pay someone to do a self scout of your team? Idea: I know that hudl has a feature where they will do the scout work for you, but most teams i have seen use this, use it to scout their upcoming opponents, not scout themselves. So the idea here, is that i would charge a small fee and i would go through a teams previous game(s) and create a scouting report for them. Things like - Tendencies (Run to Pass, Back location, Down and Distance, etc) - Best Plays (statistically) - Worst Plays (statistically) Continued: This is not me selling my 'expertise', i will not be installing anything or teaching/coaching anything, i'm not claiming that i am an expert at anything, this would be just a breakdown of your previous game(s), essentially you would be paying for labor. So once again, Would this be something you would pay for? If so, how much? This is not intended to be a money maker for me btw, just something to keep me connected to the game, and a small fee to help me out. * I realize fully that some coaches do this themselves, and some coaches (on this board) will think this is idiotic and that no one would ever pay for this, however, i know that for some, this might appeal to those who want this information but dont have the time to do it themselves. Coach, I wouldn't say that it is idiotic, not practical maybe, but not idiotic. As you stated, you are just doing data entry. Just need to work out the logistics of terminology, turn around time, price etc. and then find people that need that service. From the other side though, I would say that most programs would do well to self scout themselves, and "not having the time" isn't a fair excuse. It is more an indication of not emphasizing the right things in their program. I have argued many times here that looking to save time with things like self scout and drawing cards is detrimental to professional growth. I find it so ironic that coaches are always looking for quick fixes for things like this, but then also complain about how undeveloped their coaching staff is. EDIT--- I was going to say this sounds just like something you should volunteer to do at a program like suggested below, BUT figured you were interesting in doing this for several teams since you mentioned money. |
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Post by chi5hi on Jul 15, 2021 13:47:12 GMT -6
How about offering to volunteer...this season.
Mention that you will definitely be available as an AC next year. Tell them that this experience will help you get up to speed on their O & D, plus ST.
If someone offered this deal to me...I'd consider it.
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Post by coachscdub on Jul 15, 2021 13:59:32 GMT -6
How about offering to volunteer...this season. Mention that you will definitely be available as an AC next year. Tell them that this experience will help you get up to speed on their O & D, plus ST. If someone offered this deal to me...I'd consider it. That is what i meant by coaching gig. It wasnt based on getting a stipend and then not coaching, i just think it will be tough to join a staff in what will either be early or mid august, i'm not opposed to it, in fact my first job coaching i didnt join the team until mid-september. As mentioned above, this was intended to do for a few coaches/schools and not just one program. |
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Post by tog on Jul 15, 2021 14:52:54 GMT -6
Background: Currently i am in Colorado, been staying with some family for the Quarantine, i will be returning to California in the coming weeks, because of this the likelihood of me finding a coaching gig are slim (there are a few schools still looking for help, but it will be tough). Because of this i dont want to go another full season without football so i had an idea of how i could possibly be involved. The Question:
Would you pay someone to do a self scout of your team? Idea: I know that hudl has a feature where they will do the scout work for you, but most teams i have seen use this, use it to scout their upcoming opponents, not scout themselves. So the idea here, is that i would charge a small fee and i would go through a teams previous game(s) and create a scouting report for them. Things like - Tendencies (Run to Pass, Back location, Down and Distance, etc) - Best Plays (statistically) - Worst Plays (statistically) Continued: This is not me selling my 'expertise', i will not be installing anything or teaching/coaching anything, i'm not claiming that i am an expert at anything, this would be just a breakdown of your previous game(s), essentially you would be paying for labor. So once again, Would this be something you would pay for? If so, how much? This is not intended to be a money maker for me btw, just something to keep me connected to the game, and a small fee to help me out. * I realize fully that some coaches do this themselves, and some coaches (on this board) will think this is idiotic and that no one would ever pay for this, however, i know that for some, this might appeal to those who want this information but dont have the time to do it themselves. no way, I would take info from a coach I trust that is retired for free though |
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Post by coachscdub on Jul 15, 2021 16:00:24 GMT -6
Background: Currently i am in Colorado, been staying with some family for the Quarantine, i will be returning to California in the coming weeks, because of this the likelihood of me finding a coaching gig are slim (there are a few schools still looking for help, but it will be tough). Because of this i dont want to go another full season without football so i had an idea of how i could possibly be involved. The Question:
Would you pay someone to do a self scout of your team? Idea: I know that hudl has a feature where they will do the scout work for you, but most teams i have seen use this, use it to scout their upcoming opponents, not scout themselves. So the idea here, is that i would charge a small fee and i would go through a teams previous game(s) and create a scouting report for them. Things like - Tendencies (Run to Pass, Back location, Down and Distance, etc) - Best Plays (statistically) - Worst Plays (statistically) Continued: This is not me selling my 'expertise', i will not be installing anything or teaching/coaching anything, i'm not claiming that i am an expert at anything, this would be just a breakdown of your previous game(s), essentially you would be paying for labor. So once again, Would this be something you would pay for? If so, how much? This is not intended to be a money maker for me btw, just something to keep me connected to the game, and a small fee to help me out. * I realize fully that some coaches do this themselves, and some coaches (on this board) will think this is idiotic and that no one would ever pay for this, however, i know that for some, this might appeal to those who want this information but dont have the time to do it themselves. no way, I would take info from a coach I trust that is retired for free though I think everyone would. Dont think alot of people have that luxury, or have people who can provide that. I just thought of this as a way to stay involved with the game if im not able to coach, as well provide a service that i think alot of coaches want to have done, but may not do it themselves. |
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Post by tog on Jul 15, 2021 16:05:37 GMT -6
no way, I would take info from a coach I trust that is retired for free though I think everyone would. Dont think alot of people have that luxury, or have people who can provide that. I just thought of this as a way to stay involved with the game if im not able to coach, as well provide a service that i think alot of coaches want to have done, but may not do it themselves. got you man as a soon to be retired as hell txhsfb guy, I have thought about various ways to make money on my knowledge of stuff but I taught economics for a long time, and my savings and investments, and income from such make it where I don't HAVE to, so I would just do the intellectual part for free for people I respect etc if I was still working as a workerslob----no, I wouldn't spend my money on it that's just my take, good luck to you however you need, thanks for your contributions here over the years, it gives you a platform for at least saying "I can help" |
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Post by SetHut on Jul 16, 2021 18:22:53 GMT -6
coachscdub:
What happened to your last coaching job? When's the last season you coached? Just curious. Good luck with your offer.
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Post by coachscdub on Jul 16, 2021 18:30:27 GMT -6
coachscdub: What happened to your last coaching job? When's the last season you coached? Just curious. Good luck with your offer. Covid-19 is the short answer. Longer answer is i last coached in 2019, but i moved to Colorado to be with family during quarantine, my old school has a new HC and i reached out with hopes of returning but they never got back to me. I still have hopes of possibly volunteering at a school when i can move out there, but struggling to find a place to move to is making it even tougher. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 16, 2021 21:31:25 GMT -6
coachscdubIt sounds to me that, while you would like to make a little money off this, it's not something you are considering doing full-time or committing to starting as a business. Given that, how much are the services you are offering worth to you? In other words, how much do you think your time is worth? Is this something you would consider doing for free for a local school with the possibility of establishing a relationship with the coaches that may lead to a future spot on the staff? I do think that there would be coaches who would be interested in what you are offering but probably don't have it in the budget to pay for it. So, what do you think would be reasonable payment for the services you would be rendering?
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Post by coachscdub on Jul 16, 2021 21:59:22 GMT -6
coachscdub It sounds to me that, while you would like to make a little money off this, it's not something you are considering doing full-time or committing to starting as a business. Given that, how much are the services you are offering worth to you? In other words, how much do you think your time is worth? Is this something you would consider doing for free for a local school with the possibility of establishing a relationship with the coaches that may lead to a future spot on the staff? I do think that there would be coaches who would be interested in what you are offering but probably don't have it in the budget to pay for it. So, what do you think would be reasonable payment for the services you would be rendering? Very accurate. Yea, i have no intentions of making this a career or even a major money earner, and quite frankly i would only really do it for this upcoming year if i am not able to join a team. I havent come up with a specific number as i was really just trying to get a vibe for if this would even be something coaches might want. As mentioned before some coaches do this themselves, some might not trust an outsider, and some might not care about what the data might reveal. I was thinking something like 20 maybe 25 bucks a game, given that i can access it on hudl. Perhaps more if the film was sent to me as a raw file because that would increase the time/labor. Yes it has crossed my mind that this could be an introduction to a local school as a means to get my foot in the door, not opposed to that either. My goal with this is to stay connected to the game, help out other coaches, put a few bucks in my pocket for my time, in that order, this isnt something that i'm trying to make a killing on. |
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