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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 26, 2024 9:46:05 GMT -6
Why is the transfer portal not public?
And I personally think that NIL deals should be full disclosure and public. A vast majority of the schools are public schools and there should be some record of funds flowing through these institutions.
I don't like either so.. there is that.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2024 9:49:46 GMT -6
Why is the transfer portal not public? And I personally think that NIL deals should be full disclosure and public. A vast majority of the schools are public schools and there should be some record of funds flowing through these institutions. I don't like either so.. there is that. Why should you be privvy to the decisions and interests of other people? Remember, the funds- as of right now- are not the public funds. That is the purpose of the "collectives". All the transfer portal is, is a student declaring that they are "reopening their recruitment". That's it. It simply removes all the inefficient and silly "back office" processes that used to occur, where a Kid who was no longer happy at say Texas, had to have someone (like his old HS coach) send out feelers to other schools to gauge their interest in what would happen if the kid left Texas etc. etc. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 26, 2024 10:35:26 GMT -6
Why is the transfer portal not public? And I personally think that NIL deals should be full disclosure and public. A vast majority of the schools are public schools and there should be some record of funds flowing through these institutions. I don't like either so.. there is that. Why should you be privvy to the decisions and interests of other people? Remember, the funds- as of right now- are not the public funds. That is the purpose of the "collectives". All the transfer portal is, is a student declaring that they are "reopening their recruitment". That's it. It simply removes all the inefficient and silly "back office" processes that used to occur, where a Kid who was no longer happy at say Texas, had to have someone (like his old HS coach) send out feelers to other schools to gauge their interest in what would happen if the kid left Texas etc. etc. Fair enough... Do you think the lists are shared with major boosters? Do you think that players are still enlisting resources to get re-recruited? How connected is the coaching staff to the NIL offers, who is determining the dollar amounts to get athletes on campus and who is determining changes in that amount from year to year. For smaller schools and FCS and DII schools is there any evidence of success in regards to getting to play at their next stop? For larger schools POWER 5 are there larger NIL payouts for athletes coming out of the portal or is there a reduction in $$? I am looking at this from 2 viewpoints: 1. are these things that we will look at as predatory (like some student loans) in coming years....kids are enticed by dollar signs and don't make the league and don't end up with a degree. 2. are these things creating scenarios that reduce recruiting opportunities for athletes that need a couple of years of development to see full potential. Thanks |
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Post by realdawg on Nov 26, 2024 10:55:25 GMT -6
I do not know if the transfer portal lists are directly shared with boosters. However, I do not every college has access to it, and some of your big schools have recruiting staff that sit around all day, look at who goes in the portal, and watch their film and decided whether it needs to be passed up the ladder. Its not a big stretch to think that if a school decided they wanted a kid, that someone on staff would make sure the money men knew they were going after the kid.
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Post by fantom on Nov 26, 2024 11:34:09 GMT -6
1. are these things that we will look at as predatory (like some student loans) in coming years....kids are enticed by dollar signs and don't make the league and don't end up with a degree. 2. are these things creating scenarios that reduce recruiting opportunities for athletes that need a couple of years of development to see full potential. Thanks 1. Actually, it could work the other way. NIL money might keep some kids in school. Obviously, the guys who are going to be 1st round draft picks are going to go. For the other guys, who are projected as late-rounders/free agents, the NIL could convince them that staying in school is a better bet. 2, You're right that the transfer portal might keep some kids from developing as well as they might. That's one of the things that ex-UVA basketball coach Tony Bennett talked about when he retired. UVA doesn't get 5 star one-and-done players but the program has been successful and has had players make it in the NBA. Bennett said that some of those guys told him that: A. Grinding and honing their skills definitely led to their NBA careers, and B. If there had been a portal when they were young and buried on the depth chart they may have transferred to a lesser program which would have prevented them from developing into NBA caliber players. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2024 12:21:13 GMT -6
Why should you be privvy to the decisions and interests of other people? Remember, the funds- as of right now- are not the public funds. That is the purpose of the "collectives". All the transfer portal is, is a student declaring that they are "reopening their recruitment". That's it. It simply removes all the inefficient and silly "back office" processes that used to occur, where a Kid who was no longer happy at say Texas, had to have someone (like his old HS coach) send out feelers to other schools to gauge their interest in what would happen if the kid left Texas etc. etc. Fair enough... Do you think the lists are shared with major boosters? Do you think that players are still enlisting resources to get re-recruited? How connected is the coaching staff to the NIL offers, who is determining the dollar amounts to get athletes on campus and who is determining changes in that amount from year to year. For smaller schools and FCS and DII schools is there any evidence of success in regards to getting to play at their next stop? For larger schools POWER 5 are there larger NIL payouts for athletes coming out of the portal or is there a reduction in $$? I am looking at this from 2 viewpoints: 1. are these things that we will look at as predatory (like some student loans) in coming years....kids are enticed by dollar signs and don't make the league and don't end up with a degree. 2. are these things creating scenarios that reduce recruiting opportunities for athletes that need a couple of years of development to see full potential. Thanks By lists, I assume you mean the data in the clearinghouse? I would venture to say that schools absolutely are communicating their plans to the individuals that will be financing such endeavors. What "resources? would players enlist? I don't understand that question. The coaching staff is likely very much involved in the NIL situation, likely determining the allocations- but clearly influenced by the dollar amounts available. I don't understand your question about evidence to play regarding smaller schools. What are you asking? Are you asking if kids that use the transfer portal to go from Villanova to say UNLV or from Southeastern Louisiana to LSU are playing? Are you asking if kids who leave LSU plays at Western Kentucky? Regarding your 2 viewpoints 1) It seems like you are suggesting that the kid keeps transferring and this affects his ability to graduate. I am not Certain, but I know that in the past a condition to eligibility was being on the path to graduate. Also remember that most of these kids are graduating in 2, to 2 1/2 calendar years anyway because they are on campus (with aid) year round. Lastly, and a bit jadedly, I would venture that many of the kids at risk of what you propose, aren't getting a degree that leads to employment anyway. 2) The transfer portal has absolutely impacted HS recruiting. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 26, 2024 13:27:06 GMT -6
Fair enough... Do you think the lists are shared with major boosters? Do you think that players are still enlisting resources to get re-recruited? How connected is the coaching staff to the NIL offers, who is determining the dollar amounts to get athletes on campus and who is determining changes in that amount from year to year. For smaller schools and FCS and DII schools is there any evidence of success in regards to getting to play at their next stop? For larger schools POWER 5 are there larger NIL payouts for athletes coming out of the portal or is there a reduction in $$? I am looking at this from 2 viewpoints: 1. are these things that we will look at as predatory (like some student loans) in coming years....kids are enticed by dollar signs and don't make the league and don't end up with a degree. 2. are these things creating scenarios that reduce recruiting opportunities for athletes that need a couple of years of development to see full potential. Thanks By lists, I assume you mean the data in the clearinghouse? I would venture to say that schools absolutely are communicating their plans to the individuals that will be financing such endeavors. What "resources? would players enlist? I don't understand that question. The coaching staff is likely very much involved in the NIL situation, likely determining the allocations- but clearly influenced by the dollar amounts available. I don't understand your question about evidence to play regarding smaller schools. What are you asking? Are you asking if kids that use the transfer portal to go from Villanova to say UNLV or from Southeastern Louisiana to LSU are playing? Are you asking if kids who leave LSU plays at Western Kentucky? Regarding your 2 viewpoints 1) It seems like you are suggesting that the kid keeps transferring and this affects his ability to graduate. I am not Certain, but I know that in the past a condition to eligibility was being on the path to graduate. Also remember that most of these kids are graduating in 2, to 2 1/2 calendar years anyway because they are on campus (with aid) year round. Lastly, and a bit jadedly, I would venture that many of the kids at risk of what you propose, aren't getting a degree that leads to employment anyway. 2) The transfer portal has absolutely impacted HS recruiting. I was thinking more of the FCS and DII regarding smaller schools but yes if they leave and go to another school are they playing. Mostly in the parallel moves. I too am a bit jaded in that area.. Trying to help HS kids navigate recruiting was tough in our area before...it is brutal now. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2024 13:29:15 GMT -6
By lists, I assume you mean the data in the clearinghouse? I would venture to say that schools absolutely are communicating their plans to the individuals that will be financing such endeavors. What "resources? would players enlist? I don't understand that question. The coaching staff is likely very much involved in the NIL situation, likely determining the allocations- but clearly influenced by the dollar amounts available. I don't understand your question about evidence to play regarding smaller schools. What are you asking? Are you asking if kids that use the transfer portal to go from Villanova to say UNLV or from Southeastern Louisiana to LSU are playing? Are you asking if kids who leave LSU plays at Western Kentucky? Regarding your 2 viewpoints 1) It seems like you are suggesting that the kid keeps transferring and this affects his ability to graduate. I am not Certain, but I know that in the past a condition to eligibility was being on the path to graduate. Also remember that most of these kids are graduating in 2, to 2 1/2 calendar years anyway because they are on campus (with aid) year round. Lastly, and a bit jadedly, I would venture that many of the kids at risk of what you propose, aren't getting a degree that leads to employment anyway. 2) The transfer portal has absolutely impacted HS recruiting. I was thinking more of the FCS and DII regarding smaller schools but yes if they leave and go to another school are they playing. Mostly in the parallel moves. I too am a bit jaded in that area.. Trying to help HS kids navigate recruiting was tough in our area before...it is brutal now. Are they playing? Maybe, maybe not? But keep in mind that there are now roster limits. Schools are not going to give a kid a roster spot if they don't think the kid has an opportunity to win playing time. |
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Post by irishdog on Nov 27, 2024 17:47:54 GMT -6
The transfer portal is nothing more than the result of the “everybody gets a trophy” movement, and “instant gratification” mentality that permeates our society today. Youngsters used to be taught in their development as athletes to deal with adversity by setting goals, working harder, learning patience, and becoming a better version of themselves while becoming better teammates. In a word… we’ve taught them the opposite. How to QUIT if they don’t get their way!
NIL has taught us nothing more than how to make our kids as greedy as the schools they play for, and the people making a buck off them.
Yes, I’m old school.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2024 19:23:45 GMT -6
The transfer portal is nothing more than the result of the “everybody gets a trophy” movement, and “instant gratification” mentality that permeates our society today. Youngsters used to be taught in their development as athletes to deal with adversity by setting goals, working harder, learning patience, and becoming a better version of themselves while becoming better teammates. In a word… we’ve taught them the opposite. How to QUIT if they don’t get their way! NIL has taught us nothing more than how to make our kids as greedy as the schools they play for, and the people making a buck off them. Yes, I’m old school. That really isn't what the transfer portal is at all. As I stated earlier, the portal simply makes the reopening of the recruitment process transparent. Gone are the days where one of your kids who wanted or needed to leave a place needed to use back channels to contact other coaches and set things in motion so that once they left their school they had a landing place. Now, it is all in the open. What has changed is the transfer rules- due to the fact that the NCAA realizes that the courts recognize the complete lack of balance between the coaches/institution and the players. The NCAA can't keep saying "you are STUDENT athletes" and then say "Oh, but wait, you can't go from LSU to Arkansas like a regular student if you want to play ball" |
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Post by irishdog on Nov 27, 2024 20:37:42 GMT -6
Is what it is. Probably started out with the intention of being more “transparent” but sometimes the best laid plans don’t work out the way you want. As a former college football coach I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it. How does a college HC build his roster now? How does he even know what his roster will look like from one year to the next?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2024 21:10:15 GMT -6
Is what it is. Probably started out with the intention of being more “transparent” but sometimes the best laid plans don’t work out the way you want. As a former college football coach I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it. How does a college HC build his roster now? How does he even know what his roster will look like from one year to the next? Coach, again that is not the "transfer portal". The transfer portal is separate from a change in transfer rules. But I ask you, lets flip it. How does a student even know who his coaches will be from one year to the next? The coaches up and leave at any time. But the STUDENT athletes? You feel they should be bound, even though other STUDENTS can go from Tulane to Ole Miss at any time? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 27, 2024 21:52:08 GMT -6
The coaches leave when they have a contract lined up at another place. Very few, if any, coaches leave a spot and end up with no landing place. That's not how the transfer portal/transfer rules work out for a LOT of kids.
It's a good idea in theory that in practice has hurt a lot of kids who get bad or no advice. I'd love to see the numbers of how many kids have "accidently" given up their college careers because the portal/rules didn't work out the way they thought it would.
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