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Post by mahonz on Mar 28, 2009 10:57:35 GMT -6
Gentlemen
I have a question for those coaches that coach in leagues whereas you have multiple age groups on one team.
For example, your league has 3 divisions and those divisions are made of up 8 and 9 year olds…10 and 11 year olds…12 and 13 year olds.
My question is if you wanted to coach your son and are hired as the HC when he is 8 years old and you then HC the team for 2 seasons, what happens when you move up to the next division and there is already a HC in place? What if there was no coaching position at all once you move up? Does this happen often and does it create problems?
Does this hurt continuity with the kids that play two seasons under one staff and then 2 more seasons with another staff and then finally 2 more seasons with yet another staff?
Also do you coaches that do not have a son in the program have a tendency to stay at one division while half your team turns over every year?
Thanks for the feedback.
Coach Mike
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Post by ramsfootball on Mar 28, 2009 11:37:57 GMT -6
I'm basically in that type of format. This will be my 2nd season and my boy will by 9. What happens in our league is each season at least half (10 teams per division) the coaches bump up to the next level to follow their kid. This leaves open slots. However, should no team be avail. you'll see coaches pair up. Ex. my asst. may have a 8 so once I move up. to 10-11 this will leave my team open for him to take over, and hopefully I'll take over a vacant spot, if not I'll join on a team if needed.
Coaches with out kids tend to move up each season to stay with a certain age group but sometimes stay at with a team just because they like that one age group over the rest.
What seems to be most avail. is the 6-7 & 8-9, sometimes a distress call for coaches is sent out each season.
As far as continuity, We hold a open draft each season, so no kid is guaranted to be on the same team each season other then HC & AC son's. So you start from scratch each season and can only hope to draft a few kids that played for you last season.
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Post by davecisar on Mar 28, 2009 11:42:46 GMT -6
We have 3 age groups
Sometimes when a Dad moves up there is another Dad HC there, that means the "new" guy is the asst until the following year when the "old" guy moves up.
The non dad HC coaches either stay at the youngest age every year and spread their wisdom to the widest grouping of kids OR they fill in where we have no qualified Dad HC in place.
How I did it when I had 16 teams (4 age groups) in a 100 team league.
We all ran the same offense and defense so the coaches were interchangeable. Both systems ran the same base but had enough flexibility to take advantage of whatever personnel strengths each particular team had.
Worked for us.
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Post by cyflcoach on Mar 28, 2009 14:13:55 GMT -6
Mike,
That can sometimes present a problem, depending mostly on the number of "Dad" coaches vs. coaches without kids in the program. My stance (wearing my administrator hat for a second) has always been that as a league, we do not change head coaches simply for the sake of change itself. Unless a new coach really appears to be much more qualified and presents himself as a really significant upgrade over our current coach, we will stick with the non-Dad coaches who choose to remain with their teams.
The thinking is that it is just too difficult to find good coaches to subject them to being a "flavor of the month", just so someone moving up can become a head coach. I believe strongly in the rights of "Dad" coaches to coach in our league, but do not believe that this right extends to necessarily becoming a head coach. At the end of the day, it is what's in the interest of the kids and I'll always side with choosing the better qualified coach rather than, who's turn is it?
A case in point was when a coach who's team won our Junior level (8-9) championship was not made the Senior (10-12) Head Coach the following season. We've had a coach in place at the higher level for several seasons and by all accounts, he's been one of the better coaches in our league. Although his parents were disappointed, I think most of them eventually understood what we are trying to accomplish in selecting coaches for our teams.
I have coached at the same level for the 10 years I've been a Head Coach in our organization. I did coach my son several years ago after he began playing at a lower age level and have continued to coach the same team since he moved on to middle and now high school. Although as a coach, it would be great to have the opportunity to "move up" the ranks with a group of kids, I personally see great benefit to kids being able to play for different coaches during their youth football experience as well.
Dave Hartman
CYFL Coach
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 28, 2009 18:31:50 GMT -6
Not sure about the coach at that time, but I know of one team that started in Mt. Vernon NY as a church-organized team starting in I don't know what age group, stayed together over some years and moved a little south to become the Bronx Crusaders in the Mid-East Football Conference (one of the more prominent adult leagues at that time), and later that team moved a little further south to Queens because of the location of their coach at that time.
I also know of a junior team in Saskatchewan who, when they got to college age, wound up with so many of them at the local college (which at that time had no varsity football) that their team became their varsity team, even keeping its name. However, to comply with CIAU eligibility rules, they did have to drop all of the players who did not go to that college, which I'm told were hardly any. I think they brought their coaches with them, but I don't know whether any of them became paid faculty.
Of course these occurrences were in areas that did not have prominent HS football programs. Many of the players in each case probably went to schools that didn't have their own football teams. And in the Saskatchewan case it probably helped that there weren't many other colleges nearby, let alone ones with CIAU teams.
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Post by coachdoug on Mar 28, 2009 18:58:58 GMT -6
Not sure about the coach at that time, but I know of one team that started in Mt. Vernon NY as a church-organized team starting in I don't know what age group, stayed together over some years and moved a little south to become the Bronx Crusaders in the Mid-East Football Conference (one of the more prominent adult leagues at that time), and later that team moved a little further south to Queens because of the location of their coach at that time. I also know of a junior team in Saskatchewan who, when they got to college age, wound up with so many of them at the local college (which at that time had no varsity football) that their team became their varsity team, even keeping its name. However, to comply with CIAU eligibility rules, they did have to drop all of the players who did not go to that college, which I'm told were hardly any. I think they brought their coaches with them, but I don't know whether any of them became paid faculty. Of course these occurrences were in areas that did not have prominent HS football programs. Many of the players in each case probably went to schools that didn't have their own football teams. And in the Saskatchewan case it probably helped that there weren't many other colleges nearby, let alone ones with CIAU teams. Uh .... Bob .... are you feeling okay? Did you mean to post this here in this thread? I'm not seeing the connection. |
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Post by eickst on Mar 28, 2009 22:19:25 GMT -6
Mike,
In our league (or at least my chapter within the league, anyway) has interviews for head coaches in January/February. If a coach wants to move up, he applies for that next level. If there is already a coach there who isn't moving up, he would apply for the same level and the board would decide who the better fit would be.
Typically only one person applies for each level in our chapter but this last time we had three guys interview for one team and two for another, one at the other levels.
Some times the coaches play politics a little bit and talk to each other before applying to try to figure out where everyone wants to go and apply to different levels. That works for those who aren't daddy coaches.
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Post by los on Mar 28, 2009 23:17:42 GMT -6
Mike, we tried to give the coach's the opportunity to take a group(or most of a group, in our case) all the way thru our program....so, they might start with the 8-10 age team and as the bulk of them turned 11, move up to coach them in the 11-12 group...most of ours had no family playing anyway, so that part didn't matter......the continuity had some positives to it....you knew the kids.....the kids knew the system. One of the better teams I had thru the years, was one where we started together, when the bulk of them were 8-9......and finished when they were 12-13.....basically had the same team for 4-5 years.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 29, 2009 14:35:31 GMT -6
Not sure about the coach at that time, but I know of one team that started in Mt. Vernon NY as a church-organized team starting in I don't know what age group, stayed together over some years and moved a little south to become the Bronx Crusaders in the Mid-East Football Conference (one of the more prominent adult leagues at that time), and later that team moved a little further south to Queens because of the location of their coach at that time. I also know of a junior team in Saskatchewan who, when they got to college age, wound up with so many of them at the local college (which at that time had no varsity football) that their team became their varsity team, even keeping its name. However, to comply with CIAU eligibility rules, they did have to drop all of the players who did not go to that college, which I'm told were hardly any. I think they brought their coaches with them, but I don't know whether any of them became paid faculty. Of course these occurrences were in areas that did not have prominent HS football programs. Many of the players in each case probably went to schools that didn't have their own football teams. And in the Saskatchewan case it probably helped that there weren't many other colleges nearby, let alone ones with CIAU teams. Uh .... Bob .... are you feeling okay? Did you mean to post this here in this thread? I'm not seeing the connection. It was about the players moving up and bringing the "organization" with them. All right, it didn't concern the preferences of the coaches, but it was sort of...oh...never mind. |
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Post by khalfie on Mar 29, 2009 14:52:24 GMT -6
Uh .... Bob .... are you feeling okay? Did you mean to post this here in this thread? I'm not seeing the connection. It was about the players moving up and bringing the "organization" with them. All right, it didn't concern the preferences of the coaches, but it was sort of...oh...never mind. The problem I have with coaches moving up with players... Is that it doesn't allow for player development. New coaches give "stigmatized" players a fresh start... forces good players to meet a new coaches expectations... provides a certain adversity, in having new authority figures, and getting things done the way they want it done, as opposed to how its always been done. In this particular circumstance, I believe change, just for the sake o change, is good. I'm against, coaches moving up with teams... |
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Post by los on Mar 29, 2009 16:28:56 GMT -6
I'm not sure about the player development part of it Khalfie, at least as far as football training goes, since we all pretty much taught the same basic fundamentals, but you probably have a valid point about experiencing a "new or different" personality or aura of other authority figures.....kinda like in school......if you have the same teacher from 3rd grade thru the 7th, doesn't neccessarily mean you won't learn as much, as a kid who had 5 different teachers,(provided they're all teaching the same basic stuff) but the culture shock in dealing with the different personalities, later on, may be an issue, if your not used to it? Hmmm.....interesting point, you bring up though, cause I've seen this happen with some kids.......they could play for some coach's but not for others, like, they get comfortable doing "things" a certain way, and find it difficult to transition to a new way of doing "pretty much the exact same things", lol? Good post Khalfie, might need to re-think this......I always liked to think consistency was a good thing, but maybe not in every case?
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Post by khalfie on Mar 29, 2009 17:41:54 GMT -6
I'm not sure about the player development part of it Khalfie, at least as far as football training goes, since we all pretty much taught the same basic fundamentals, but you probably have a valid point about experiencing a "new or different" personality or aura of other authority figures.....kinda like in school......if you have the same teacher from 3rd grade thru the 7th, doesn't neccessarily mean you won't learn as much, as a kid who had 5 different teachers,(provided they're all teaching the same basic stuff) but the culture shock in dealing with the different personalities, later on, may be an issue, if your not used to it? Hmmm.....interesting point, you bring up though, cause I've seen this happen with some kids.......they could play for some coach's but not for others, like, they get comfortable doing "things" a certain way, and find it difficult to transition to a new way of doing "pretty much the exact same things", lol? Good post Khalfie, might need to re-think this......I always liked to think consistency was a good thing, but maybe not in every case? Exactly my point LOS... And similarly... the kid, that didn't get along with a coach, for whatever reason... gets a new regime... and all of a sudden becomes a player, simply because he "likes" the new coaching staff... I consider, the entire football experience, to be the player development... and no where, is it more important, than a players ability to deal with different authority figures... good and bad. |
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Post by mahonz on Mar 31, 2009 14:16:56 GMT -6
Coaches
Thank you for taking the time to reply. Its a big help.
Coach Mike
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Post by eickst on Mar 31, 2009 14:58:17 GMT -6
No problem Coach Mike. But if I move to the denver area I expect an easy interview to get a coaching gig there  |
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