biggus3
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 23, 2014 14:36:48 GMT -6
The worst thing about it is that we do all of our fundraising via corporate sponsorship. I ended up being the sales guy ( which I really like and wouldn't give up if given the choice) and when I walk into a meeting with a potential sponsor, I can't help but think " I gotta convince this guy to give me $7k because old John boy has to get paid . I wonder what he is up to? I haven't seen him in 6 months" The amount of coaching salary that is doled out would make you guys puke a little. I know because I do every time I look at it. It's by far and away our biggest expense. It really pisses me off when I know that money could be going to the kids or to some awesome pieces of equipment.
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Post by fantom on Apr 23, 2014 14:39:56 GMT -6
I realize that comments like "I've made x amount of d1 players" can be off putting. Obviously I don't go around spouting my mouth like that when dealing with people. The point is that I am confident in my abilities as a coach in the things that I do know. I will be the first to tell you that I have a bunch to learn and far off from having all the answers. I just wish that each guy would pick something that interested him outside of practice and games and owned it. That way the others that want to put in massive hours can focus on others things. I would like to have a super tight coaching staff. I came from a school that had one, and we were all over the place age wise and it was awesome. But in reality, I don't need to be their best buddy, I just know I am getting burnt out having to do the same menial tasks when there are a hundred issues that need to be addressed.. Did you or the HC ever tell those guys that? Confrontation can be messy but sometimes it can clear things up.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 23, 2014 14:43:46 GMT -6
Okay. I'll be the guy that asks. What are the stipends like? Because I'm the highest paid assistant on staff and I make $700 before taxes.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 23, 2014 15:54:31 GMT -6
Okay. I'll be the guy that asks. What are the stipends like? Because I'm the highest paid assistant on staff and I make $700 before taxes. Our assistants don't make crap on par with other local schools and they clear $3K before taxes here in Illinois.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 23, 2014 15:56:11 GMT -6
The worst thing about it is that we do all of our fundraising via corporate sponsorship. I ended up being the sales guy ( which I really like and wouldn't give up if given the choice) and when I walk into a meeting with a potential sponsor, I can't help but think " I gotta convince this guy to give me $7k because old John boy has to get paid . I wonder what he is up to? I haven't seen him in 6 months" The amount of coaching salary that is doled out would make you guys puke a little. I know because I do every time I look at it. It's by far and away our biggest expense. It really pisses me off when I know that money could be going to the kids or to some awesome pieces of equipment. Then don't do it? Seriously, don't freakin do it. Talk to the HC about it. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.
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biggus3
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 23, 2014 16:17:48 GMT -6
Okay. I'll be the guy that asks. What are the stipends like? Because I'm the highest paid assistant on staff and I make $700 before taxes. Our assistants don't make crap on par with other local schools and they clear $3K before taxes here in Illinois. you In our school district you start out making $3000 as a varsity assistant. I think its like $1500 for a lower level asst. You get points for experience that amounts to about a $300 dollar a year raise every year, capped off at seven years. The problem is that many of these guys started before they had the experience cap, so their contract gets grandfathered in. So we have lower level coaches with 30 years experience that pull in upwards of 10k. Multiply that by 3 because they also coach basketball, baseball, whatever, and they make dang near what a new teacher does just for coaching a couple hours after school. We have 11 slots available from the district. So the rest of the money comes from the "booster club" ie me and the HC fundraising. The parents throw a couple nice events each year, but its a drop in the bucket relative to what we pull in for revenue. We don't technically have to pay the guys on the booster club stipend as much as the guys on the district stipend, however the coach feels that is right and so do I. I just wish that they earned their keep.
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 23, 2014 16:40:34 GMT -6
I realize that comments like "I've made x amount of d1 players" can be off putting. Obviously I don't go around spouting my mouth like that when dealing with people. The point is that I am confident in my abilities as a coach in the things that I do know. I will be the first to tell you that I have a bunch to learn and far off from having all the answers. I just wish that each guy would pick something that interested him outside of practice and games and owned it. That way the others that want to put in massive hours can focus on others things. I would like to have a super tight coaching staff. I came from a school that had one, and we were all over the place age wise and it was awesome. But in reality, I don't need to be their best buddy, I just know I am getting burnt out having to do the same menial tasks when there are a hundred issues that need to be addressed.. Did you or the HC ever tell those guys that? Confrontation can be messy but sometimes it can clear things up. So far, I've taken a pretty positive approach. Inviting them out to different team functions in the offseason, trying to be a team guy and not cause any more division than already exists. I feel its the HC job to handle crap like this. I've aired my thoughts out to the HC, and he is frustrated too. He has said that he is going to hold a meeting with those guys minus the D line coach and myself to let them air out any frustrations they might have, as well as give them the get your crap together speech. I think that he is having problems getting them all together at once (of course), so I don't know if he is doing it individually or waiting for a good date or what. All I know is that I want to pull my hair out.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 23, 2014 16:55:18 GMT -6
This is an easy problem to fix.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 23, 2014 17:55:20 GMT -6
Am I reading this right? The paid coaches receive stipends, but the money isn't coming from the school? The coaches are paid through private funding through fundraising and sponsors? So how many coaches are actually paid by the school? How many real paid coaches are there?
We have 9 total coaches. 6 paid by the school as paid coaches. The other three are volunteer coaches that we pay through fundraising. So I can say we have 9 paid coaches, but as far as the school is concerned, we have 6 coaches, the rest are volunteer.
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 23, 2014 18:21:01 GMT -6
Am I reading this right? The paid coaches receive stipends, but the money isn't coming from the school? The coaches are paid through private funding through fundraising and sponsors? So how many coaches are actually paid by the school? How many real paid coaches are there? We have 9 total coaches. 6 paid by the school as paid coaches. The other three are volunteer coaches that we pay through fundraising. So I can say we have 9 paid coaches, but as far as the school is concerned, we have 6 coaches, the rest are volunteer. 11 are paid from the school. 16 are paid through private fundraising. all of us, including the stat and video guy ( whom I didn't include because they just show up on friday) are paid, we have zero volunteer coaches. we basically have a coach for every position on the field, an ILB, OLB, DT, DE, S, CB, wr, rb qb, wr 2 OL coaches at every freakin level of play. I know its crazy. I came from a school where we had 11 guys, where 4 were volunteers. There has been 3 or 4 New HC's since 2000. Everytime a new one comes through, it seems like that HC didn't fire anyone and just added the guys he wanted. Finding money for all these clowns, along with all the other crap we buy is a major component of my job from may to august. I spend roughly 4 hours a day just doing fundraising stuff during that time period. Its a lot of work, and my HC helps me out quite a bit, but its doable. Fortunately, I get to keep a percentage of what I bring in, so it is worth my time. I essentially take the place of some fundraising company that is going to keep a huge chunk of whatever they have your kids selling. I get to make a decent chunk of change on top of my normal job, and we don't have to put pressure on our kids to fundraise, so everyone is happy.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 23, 2014 22:25:30 GMT -6
My head is spinning. Guys clear 10k per season to coach. You have "video guys"! I'm done. Lol
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Post by fantom on Apr 23, 2014 22:36:46 GMT -6
Did you or the HC ever tell those guys that? Confrontation can be messy but sometimes it can clear things up. So far, I've taken a pretty positive approach. Inviting them out to different team functions in the offseason, trying to be a team guy and not cause any more division than already exists. I feel its the HC job to handle crap like this. I've aired my thoughts out to the HC, and he is frustrated too. He has said that he is going to hold a meeting with those guys minus the D line coach and myself to let them air out any frustrations they might have, as well as give them the get your crap together speech. I think that he is having problems getting them all together at once (of course), so I don't know if he is doing it individually or waiting for a good date or what. All I know is that I want to pull my hair out. One thing that's kept me (kind of) sane is understanding what I can do something about and what I can't. You're not the HC. You're an assistant. You can't do anything about this.
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Post by fantom on Apr 23, 2014 22:43:24 GMT -6
Our assistants don't make crap on par with other local schools and they clear $3K before taxes here in Illinois. you Multiply that by 3 because they also coach basketball, baseball, whatever, and they make dang near what a new teacher does just for coaching a couple hours after school. Wait a minute. Are these guys coaching other sports? Is that why they're not around in the offseason? Hope you don't mind my saying this but this is the most phocked up situation I've ever heard of.
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Post by 4verts on Apr 23, 2014 23:10:49 GMT -6
Somebody in charge of this situation is a pu$$y. Basically what it boils down to is not making somebody mad. Retreats and social functions aren't worth it. I find somebody on staff that likes drinking beer as much as me, then we hang out. If they don't like Hooters then we probably won't be seeing each other outside the office very much. I get paid to be a football coach and everything that goes with it. Nobody pays me to make sure somebody else gets paid. I feel your pain on that.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 24, 2014 6:16:03 GMT -6
Where are you located? I am just wondering as I continue to wrap my head around all this. Maybe my math is off but if you have 16 coaches you need to raise money for and some are over 10k a year your telling me that you raise upwards of 100k just for coaches salaries??? You guys hiring....
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Post by casec11 on Apr 24, 2014 7:32:09 GMT -6
Sounds to me that the HC needs to do periodic evaluations on paper so if he does want/need to someone not pulling their weight he has something to back up the reason... It may be as easy as getting rid of one or two, It may open the others eyes.
But this starts with the HC he has to lay down his expectations of the staff.
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Post by utchuckd on Apr 24, 2014 7:35:13 GMT -6
In our school district you start out making $3000 as a varsity assistant. I think its like $1500 for a lower level asst. You get points for experience that amounts to about a $300 dollar a year raise every year, capped off at seven years. The problem is that many of these guys started before they had the experience cap, so their contract gets grandfathered in. So we have lower level coaches with 30 years experience that pull in upwards of 10k. Multiply that by 3 because they also coach basketball, baseball, whatever, and they make dang near what a new teacher does just for coaching a couple hours after school. We have 11 slots available from the district. So the rest of the money comes from the "booster club" ie me and the HC fundraising. The parents throw a couple nice events each year, but its a drop in the bucket relative to what we pull in for revenue. We don't technically have to pay the guys on the booster club stipend as much as the guys on the district stipend, however the coach feels that is right and so do I. I just wish that they earned their keep. This post kicked my tourette's into overdrive. IMO, which is worth the paper it's printed on here, is that your problem isn't with the slack-ass assistants, it's with your HC. He's apparently in charge of a {censored} ton of money he's not qualified to manage. They're gonna do as little as they've always done if they're still getting paid, it's up to him to set the expectations for them. Jim Collins first 2 rules in Good to Great are having a Level 5 leader and getting the right people on the bus, pretty sure you don't have either one.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 24, 2014 8:50:36 GMT -6
If I was the HC in your situation and felt certain coaches weren't pulling their weight or helping the program, and they weren't paid by the school, i would say sorry but we don't have the funds to pay you this year.
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 24, 2014 9:27:43 GMT -6
Wait a minute. Are these guys coaching other sports? Is that why they're not around in the offseason? Hope you don't mind my saying this but this is the most phocked up situation I've ever heard of. i know it's Effed up. It's a good thing that I love the school, the kids, the HC, and we are lucky enough to have a lot of resources that other teams don't have. I am sympathetic to the fact that they coach other sports, however they are the same way with other sports as well. Coincidentally, those teams aren't very good either. We lift in the morning. Their really is no excuse for not popping your head in once a week to show the kids you care. Be around when we do inventory, and clean our storage area so it would take 3 hours instead of two guys a week to do it. Lastly, if we try to hold a meeting, which we don't do very often in the off season, just get your a$$ to the meeting. I really don't care what your family has going on, my family is busy too. We give them plenty of warning as to when those things are going to be.
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Post by fantom on Apr 24, 2014 9:39:18 GMT -6
Wait a minute. Are these guys coaching other sports? Is that why they're not around in the offseason? Hope you don't mind my saying this but this is the most phocked up situation I've ever heard of. i know it's Effed up. It's a good thing that I love the school, the kids, the HC, and we are lucky enough to have a lot of resources that other teams don't have. I am sympathetic to the fact that they coach other sports, however they are the same way with other sports as well. Coincidentally, those teams aren't very good either. We lift in the morning. Their really is no excuse for not popping your head in once a week to show the kids you care. Be around when we do inventory, and clean our storage area so it would take 3 hours instead of two guys a week to do it. Lastly, if we try to hold a meeting, which we don't do very often in the off season, just get your a$$ to the meeting. I really don't care what your family has going on, my family is busy too. We give them plenty of warning as to when those things are going to be. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that the HC keeps them around because they have a lot of connections which helps with fund-raising BUT..... it's YOU who has to do the fund-raising to pay THEIR stipends.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 24, 2014 9:42:55 GMT -6
Seriously, fire them, stop fundraising for them or all you're doing is being an enabler.
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 24, 2014 9:43:19 GMT -6
Where are you located? I am just wondering as I continue to wrap my head around all this. Maybe my math is off but if you have 16 coaches you need to raise money for and some are over 10k a year your telling me that you raise upwards of 100k just for coaches salaries??? You guys hiring.... we are in mn...and your math is correct. Sure why not hire another guy, we will just make up a title, like quality control or something, and I'll find another sponsor and your good to go. As long as you show up all the time and take some things off my plate, I would be glad to have you.
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 24, 2014 9:54:38 GMT -6
Seriously, fire them, stop fundraising for them or all you're doing is being an enabler. I would if It was me. But I also understand why the HC feels hamstrung and has to keep them. I would just stop fundraising, but the coach hired me specifically to help with that along with coaching LBs. I don't want to look bad myself. Furthermore, I essentially make a commission on funds brought in, so it's money out my pocket if I raise less money each year.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 24, 2014 10:00:48 GMT -6
You're going to have to make a decision. Either this is a problem for you or it's not. If it's a problem, you're going to have to give the HC a choice- sh** or get off the pot. He can't have his cake and eat it too. He's either going to have to ruffle some feathers and get rid of dead weight OR you're out.
If it isn't a problem for you, then there's nothing you can do about it. Your life sucks, deal with it.
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 24, 2014 12:11:36 GMT -6
Honestly, if you're making commission off of the (HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS???) fundraising you're doing, at least you're being compensated?
Here's my suggestion: Pay me a small fee of 3 of your coaching stipends and I will come out there and spend a week giving out straight talk. At the end of the week, one way or another they won't be a problem.
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 24, 2014 12:31:31 GMT -6
Honestly, if you're making commission off of the (HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS???) fundraising you're doing, at least you're being compensated? Here's my suggestion: Pay me a small fee of 3 of your coaching stipends and I will come out there and spend a week giving out straight talk. At the end of the week, one way or another they won't be a problem. I'm definitely not complaining about what I make for football related activities. It really is a unique set up, and I am very grateful for it. We just have a long ways to go as a program, and these guys seemingly don't really care. I'm just am the kind of guy that will do whatever it takes to be successful. Honestly, if we were in contention for a title each year, I wouldn't even care that these guys aren't around and getting paid. But we obviously have a lot of work to do and cannot afford to be on autopilot.
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Post by breakerdog on Apr 24, 2014 14:06:17 GMT -6
This thread is putting me on tilt.
This is pretty much how I would deal with it.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 24, 2014 16:18:49 GMT -6
Why would coaching be different from any other profession? There will always be those who put in the bare minimum amount of effort, and expect the world in return. Personally, I'm thankful for these people. It makes the work I put in stand out all that much more.
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Post by bruinfb on Apr 24, 2014 17:05:10 GMT -6
Seriously, fire them, stop fundraising for them or all you're doing is being an enabler. I think this is so true. If it bothers you that they don't do as much as you, don't help them out with that. Also, I think you can just realize that some people want to do all the work necessary to improve a football team and others do not. Since you are not HC, I don't think you should worry about it. Just do all the work that you want to do and try your best to improve the team.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 24, 2014 17:11:09 GMT -6
I do think in the stressful world of coaching you had better have everyone in the coaches office on the same page. There is no room for guys who resent one another for whatever reason. Being resentful leads to cancer. I'm not saying guys can't disagree or get mad. There is plenty of room for debate. But once the decision has been made that's it.
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