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Post by tothehouse on Mar 25, 2015 21:42:36 GMT -6
You bring sophomores up...and a lot of them don't play. Good idea?
Better to get a ton of JV play?
Or get a ton of varsity action and some game play?
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Post by fantom on Mar 25, 2015 21:50:02 GMT -6
You bring sophomores up...and a lot of them don't play. Good idea? Better to get a ton of JV play? Or get a ton of varsity action and some game play? If they;re going to play bring them up. If not leave them down. |
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Post by jcamerot on Mar 26, 2015 3:41:18 GMT -6
They need to play in game situations. If they are not going to contribute at the varsity level, leave them on the JV team. Dress some (or all) and let them be on the sideline for varsity games--they may be able to get a few snaps occasionally in games where the outcome is inevitable.
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Post by go42 on Mar 26, 2015 4:58:47 GMT -6
I believe, if a sophomore is up on the varsity - He Plays as a starter or major contributor. It annoys me when I scout a team and see them with sophomores standing on the sideline not playing. I hate to use the word punish, but in a sense, the sophomore who stands on the sideline is being punished (by not plain in varsity game compared to playing the whole game on JV) for being a little bit better than other sophomores. Getting to practice all the time with the varsity is not a reason to pull up a kid and not play him....if that is the argument - let the kid practice with varsity and play in JV games; it should be the same systems. I believe kids get better by playing.
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 26, 2015 7:39:50 GMT -6
I also believe that if you're going to bring them up, they'd should be major contributors if not starters. At my last job, we had a fairly talented sophomore group so the HC pulled several of them up to varsity. The problem was he didn't let them play JV because they were "varsity" players, but then they'd only play 10 or snaps in the varsity game. This soured several of them on football, a couple of them ended up not going out after that year, and even the ones who did stick it out I felt that year hindered their progress a bit.
A somewhat related thought: I don't know if this is "entitlement" or just a different makeup with kids, but being selected to play "varsity" as an underclassmen doesn't seem to carry the prestige it used to. I think there was a time when kids would rather play limited varsity as a sophomore because he could still say he was a varsity player. Now, if the kid isn't going to get major PT, they'd rather not do it.
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Post by spreadpowero on Mar 26, 2015 8:01:42 GMT -6
We only pull up sophs or fresh if they are going to start this year, or if we think, they will start next year.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 26, 2015 8:01:58 GMT -6
Agree, kids need game time. Not situational/special teams time. I heard a coach say he only brings Sophs up to play them in games and will never bring a Freshman up no matter how good he is. However, once playoffs hit, he'll have any and all fresh/sophs who are good enough practice, dress, and play in the playoff games. I like this approach as it looks at what is best for your program and not just that one season.
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Post by mhcoach on Mar 26, 2015 8:06:17 GMT -6
Our JV practices with us everyday except their game days. Any Soph that suits up for a varsity will definitely play.
Joe
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Post by hercsdc on Mar 26, 2015 9:22:57 GMT -6
Only have soph. on varsity if they can be significant contributors. Even if they are the next best at a position, we have to play them up; backup RB, FS, DB. We rotate 1's and 2's quite a bit throughout a game, so that soph. may see 12-18 plays a game.ta If they are going to just stand on the sidelines and be a 3rd stringer, we will keep them on JV so they can play and get all of the reps. The only position that we will consider playing a 9th or soph up and not play them is at 2nd QB...because we need to have an emergency plan.
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Post by coachrdc on Mar 26, 2015 9:57:13 GMT -6
The way things work out for us is that we play the best 11 on Friday night, regardless of class, and whoever has quarters left over plays all they can in our JV game on Monday. We have an incredibly talented group of freshmen coming up this year who will probably see alot of playing time this year on Fridays. It also depends on your roster size; we only run with about 35 in grades 9-12.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 26, 2015 10:08:58 GMT -6
We're in California...where you only get to play JV or varsity. You don't get quarters here or quarters there of both. The "play them if you bring them up" is consistent, but I have seen a few successful programs that have sophs that rarely play on the varsity level...and it ends up helping them down the road. Definitely not the norm.
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Post by bleefb on Mar 27, 2015 0:13:57 GMT -6
Our rule always was if he couldn't start he didn't come up.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 27, 2015 7:27:51 GMT -6
Also depends on the difference in coaching ability between your Varsity and Sub-Varsity staffs.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 27, 2015 10:41:32 GMT -6
During the season, only kids that are gonna start. When we lost our senior MLB/FB to an ACL last year, we replaced him with a sophomore over the kid who'd been backing him up because the sophomore was just plain better. Sophomore started all the way through the rest of the season and through the playoffs.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Apr 3, 2015 21:43:56 GMT -6
We'll only keep a soph up if he's at least going to compete for a significant role. We don't pull a soph to be our backup just because he's better than our current backup, but like Mariner says if our starter gets hurt, the soph comes up.
We do usually pull up about 3-5 each year at the beginning of the year and give them a "tryout" with the varsity to see if they belong at that level. We try to find a role for those guys and use that sophomore year as a way to use them at the things they are best at, put them in a position to be successful, and teach and develop them to have a big junior season.
Last year we had a soph that was our best kickoff kicker in the program by far (so we wanted him up to kick off at a minimum) and we thought could compete at LB and that we could find enough playing time for to appease him. He was hesitant and made it clear that he didn't want to stay up to be a backup, and we assured him that if he wasn't going to see the field we would put him back down. As it turned out, by the time we finished our 2nd game he had made himself impossible to keep off the field and was our best LB period by the second half of the season.
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Post by buck42 on Apr 4, 2015 11:05:16 GMT -6
If freshman or sophomores are going to play roughly 50% we bring them up. If not we keep them down. We can 8 quarter kids too
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Post by s73 on Apr 4, 2015 11:54:58 GMT -6
We only bring kids up that are going to start.
On another note, I think the tricky part is bringing them up knowing they are better than a senior at the same spot but still giving that senior a "fair shot" at his particular position.
That's why we bring them up immediately and make it known that we expect this kid to contribute. If we are wrong we will send him back down and tell him we think it's in his best interest to stay down and develop. That can be hard to b/c I've had a few of them feel like they failed. Of course, this is not the case but my point is that I feel you have to be honest with all parties involved ASAP and see where it goes.
JMO of course.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 4, 2015 13:46:15 GMT -6
I also believe that if you're going to bring them up, they'd should be major contributors if not starters. At my last job, we had a fairly talented sophomore group so the HC pulled several of them up to varsity. The problem was he didn't let them play JV because they were "varsity" players, but then they'd only play 10 or snaps in the varsity game. This soured several of them on football, a couple of them ended up not going out after that year, and even the ones who did stick it out I felt that year hindered their progress a bit. A somewhat related thought: I don't know if this is "entitlement" or just a different makeup with kids, but being selected to play "varsity" as an underclassmen doesn't seem to carry the prestige it used to. I think there was a time when kids would rather play limited varsity as a sophomore because he could still say he was a varsity player. Now, if the kid isn't going to get major PT, they'd rather not do it. I should add something to my above post since others have mentioned quarters limitations. We were not limited by how many quarters the kids were allowed to play; our HC chose to not dress those guys for JV even though they were not playing much varsity. If you aren't limited by quarters, I see nothing wrong with having sophomores play 10-12 varsity snaps a game. But, if they are playing that little on the varsity, they should be playing JV as well. |
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Post by agap on Apr 4, 2015 15:53:42 GMT -6
If they're going to play, whether it's starting or getting a lot of playing time, than we bring them up. Otherwise they're playing JV. They won't get better skipping JV games and then standing on the sidelines on Friday nights.
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Post by dytmook on Apr 5, 2015 17:24:21 GMT -6
Our guys all practice together. Some kids bounce up and down throughout the year due to match ups, some go up and stay up. All depends. For instance when we see a double wing team and may play more linemen that sophomore may get quite a few varsity reps and not play JV. Next week in against a spread team he may see no varsity time and start JV. We work to get kids as many game reps as possible regardless of age group, I feel this is especially true with the border line sophomore guy. I tell them I'll talk them up when the Varsity staff asks, "who can help us here?"
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 5, 2015 21:47:26 GMT -6
I also believe that if you're going to bring them up, they'd should be major contributors if not starters. At my last job, we had a fairly talented sophomore group so the HC pulled several of them up to varsity. The problem was he didn't let them play JV because they were "varsity" players, but then they'd only play 10 or snaps in the varsity game. This soured several of them on football, a couple of them ended up not going out after that year, and even the ones who did stick it out I felt that year hindered their progress a bit. A somewhat related thought: I don't know if this is "entitlement" or just a different makeup with kids, but being selected to play "varsity" as an underclassmen doesn't seem to carry the prestige it used to. I think there was a time when kids would rather play limited varsity as a sophomore because he could still say he was a varsity player. Now, if the kid isn't going to get major PT, they'd rather not do it. I am a smaller school, but I will play freshmen (If physically able) and sophomores on Varsity, if they are the second or maybe even third string. I will start by telling them I will give them 1 maybe 2 plays during the first half when the game counts. If they do well, I might give them more in the second half, but usually I have to wait until I watch film to see how well they truly did. Due to depth, I may need that kid down the road. I would rather him not freeze when he realizes he has to replace a starter who is injured. It's a growth process for me. I started doing this because I heard from a guy who played for Rex that guys work their arses off in practice because if you do well he will give you a play, do well on that play, he will give you a series, do well on that, and then you get to play. I like my guys practicing hard. On a side note, we have to make sure we call out players we see going hard in practice and reward them. |
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Post by fbs on Apr 6, 2015 10:28:42 GMT -6
sounds like we are all in resounding agreement for once... if a young kid is up, he better be playing, and a lot. It needs to fill a significant team need, and not just special teams. Some can't avoid it due to numbers, but if you're bringing kids up just so someone doesn't have to double up on special teams you aren't doing right by the kid.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 6, 2015 15:51:53 GMT -6
Glad we don't have this problem in Georgia we get 6 quarters a week. My sophomores play both
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Post by fugulookinat on Apr 6, 2015 22:00:56 GMT -6
In Texas the JV games are played the night before the varsity game. If a player touches the field in a JV game he is ineligible to play the following night in the varsity game. I agree that I will play the best players regardless of classification. I also agree that if you bring up an underclassman, he better be getting at least half of the snaps at his position.
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