qbguru
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Post by qbguru on Mar 24, 2006 7:37:37 GMT -6
a serious question here.
have recently gotten a HC job. am putting together a staff and am debating whether to keep the old coach on staff. On one hand he could be a great help as a teacher in the building and a good coach. On the other hand I know he could be a detriment if he is stabbin' me in the hallways to the kids.
Anyone have any advice on this one?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2006 8:44:51 GMT -6
It's a guarded topic and a lot of guys will tell you to keep away from him. But I worked with a guy, a great guy, who was a lousy head coach. He was a good position coach, great with kids, enthusiastic, etc. but he just did not want to do the things that head coaches need to do. He didn't want to be the bad guy ever, didn't want to control the discipline, didn't want to "make" kids workout, didn't want to push the staff to get better. He wasn't a particularly good game day coach because he didn't put in the time to scout himself calling plays. We played 5 straight games where our defense held the opponent to 7 points or less. We won 2 of those games. He and I didn't work well together. I'm a taskmaster, I'm the guy who expects everyone to put in the same hours I do, to spend time in the offseason on our schemes, to meet in the summer with me to go over our defense. I had a defensive depth chart that I posted on the bulletin board. I post all the stats--tackles, etc. etc. and include in big letters LOAFS. He didn't want all that. He didn't want to overwork the coaches, didn't want to make guys come in if they didnt' want to. Guys took advantage of him because he was too lenient. He's one of the best guys I've ever known, but a poor head coach.
But if I'd have taken the job when he was fired I'd have wanted him on my staff. He's a loyal guy, a good skills coach, and when he's directed where to be he's a good worker. Some guys just aren't meant to be head coaches and he was one. But he would make my staff better so I'dwant him.
I know every guy isn't like this, but just so you know that there are a few.
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Post by knighter on Mar 24, 2006 8:45:50 GMT -6
Make sure he understands your expectations. If he is not bitter, I don't see why he would be a bad assistant. In the situation, if I were him, I am not sure I would even be able to do it, as I am sure if was asked to resign or step down, I would be bitter. Now if I stepped down for another reason, say to be able to spend more time with family or due to health or something, that would be different entirely.
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qbguru
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Post by qbguru on Mar 24, 2006 8:59:53 GMT -6
he is not a bitter guy. he went through some tough things and I think got some pressure. but was not fired, resigned and still wants to coach. is a teacher in the building, and an enthusiastic, good coach.
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Post by herky on Mar 24, 2006 9:04:05 GMT -6
he is not a bitter guy. he went through some tough things and I think got some pressure. but was not fired, resigned and still wants to coach. is a teacher in the building, and an enthusiastic, good coach. Sounds like you may have just answered your own question. |
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Post by information on Mar 24, 2006 9:19:39 GMT -6
Bottom line it a feel thing for you....if you are in a situation where you would like your coaches to teach in the building..then you might take a chance, especialy if he has a teaching job and is not going anywhere. Maybe, I am too immature, have ego problems or being a Texas thing (where all coaches, for the most part, are classroom teachers..not part-time coaches) but I personally would lean against have the previous Head Coach on may staff. For many reasons such as...kids might wonder who's the boss, and how do you change the attitude of the program if the same people are still a part of it. Those are just 2 that pop off the top of my head.
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Post by tvt50 on Mar 24, 2006 9:25:38 GMT -6
NO WAY, if he was any good or had any passion he would have WON and you would not have the job. GET RID of him. Too many cooks ruin the soup. You dont want those kids thinking things are still the same, things arent the same there is a new BOSS and it is you not him.
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Post by bulldogoption on Mar 24, 2006 9:28:03 GMT -6
Maybe he wants to take a year or two off from the Varsity level. Then you can establish yourself and your new ideas/ways of doing things. Those Jr/Sr kids still know the old way and might have some trouble doing it your way.
Maybe he would like to be involved at the lower levels? No pressure, just teaching fundamentals having fun.
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Post by tvt50 on Mar 24, 2006 9:30:45 GMT -6
Tell him that if he wants to stay involved he can sell tickets at the games. LOL!
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oldmud
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Post by oldmud on Mar 24, 2006 9:46:00 GMT -6
When I became head coach 9 years ago, same situation applied to me. You know whether he can coach or not. I kept the old HC, and it was a GREAT decision. He did not want to administrate the program any longer, just wanted to coach. For me, he added an element that no young coach likes to admit, but he was a calming influence and voice of reason, without having to make the decision. You know in your gut whether he would be good or bad for the program, do what is best for you situation.
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Post by kcbazooka on Mar 24, 2006 9:50:09 GMT -6
Interesting discussion. - been on both sides of it. I just took over a job and the former head coach is staying as a teacher. He would be a good position coach and I plan on letting him know I would like him as an assistant somewhere in the program in a couple of years. I don't think it would work his first year out.
On the flip I was a head coach that was "relieved" of the head coaching position but was rehired as an assistant. - went through one camp and I personally couldn't do it. In my case the players were too close to me and would come to me instead of the head coach when their were problems. Too many coaching/teaching differences so I resigned after the first camp. I talked to the head coach about it and he understood where I was coming from. So at least in my cas e it was a a bad fit.
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Post by carson101 on Mar 24, 2006 13:09:22 GMT -6
I think that if the guy is sincere enough to coach under your guidelines, I would do it but if you feel that he will undermine you in anyway then shouldn't be an option. Offer him a lower level position if he seems indifferent then cut him loose.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 24, 2006 13:51:30 GMT -6
If he is clear that this is your team now and he can be an assistant for you then go for it. I can think of several programs where having a former or THE former HC on staff helped. One example I can think of the head coach asked the former HC to come back and volunteer. He had won 2 or 3 state titles and his experience helped get them back to the state title game again. So if everyone is clear and cool with it then it should work out.
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Post by knighter on Mar 24, 2006 13:58:35 GMT -6
I know a staff in an Iowa school that has 3 former head coaches as assistants, and it is a great fit. Head Coach is not an ego-maniac, and neither are any of his assistants, they do a great job with very limited athletes. They keep improving from year to year. Now none of these assistants were head coaches at this school, but in successful programs of their own, and were asked to resign for various reasons.
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Post by knighter on Mar 24, 2006 13:59:06 GMT -6
Herky is that a pic of TOG in college? LMAO
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