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Post by brophy on Mar 20, 2006 7:37:15 GMT -6
 ?? How is a good coach defined? Is it possible that a coach is a good coach but not have a stellar W/L record? Is it possible for a coach to be a skilled teacher but not have any D1 / NFL players? Does the school size / enrollment determine the various grades of a good coach? Is a 5A coach better than a 1A coach? Does previous playing experience give an indication on their current coaching performance? I guess I ask because during the off-season, we see a lot of resumes flying by, but how much of the "pedigree" is valid / how much is fluff? If you saw a resume for a Network administrator.....one guy from a small town who spent the last five years integrating a small city government with Network development and support or a guy that has been working as a call center support for [glow=red,2,300]MICROSOFT[/glow]? Does the big names (dropping) offer credibility - how much?
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Post by pegleg on Mar 20, 2006 7:50:41 GMT -6
athletes.
Holla
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Post by brophy on Mar 20, 2006 7:52:46 GMT -6
athletes determine your W/L record......but how much COACHING / TEACHING do you have to do to an athlete versus a 'scrub'?
Usually programs with good athletes tend to be good 'managers', letting the athletes just make plays with little instruction.
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Post by tvt50 on Mar 20, 2006 8:04:50 GMT -6
A good coach makes his players better. He can get them to maximize their potential. Gets them to play together and as a team. They execute their assignments and hustle. They get after people and hit. They dont make a lot of mistakes, they dont beat themselves. His team never QUITS, they finish everything.
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Post by sls on Mar 20, 2006 8:54:39 GMT -6
Hard work and caring about your players as more than just football players. I believe that if you do these everything else will eventually come around.
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Post by pegleg on Mar 20, 2006 9:07:33 GMT -6
Usually programs with good athletes tend to be good 'managers', letting the athletes just make plays with little instruction. i disagree. i have been fortunate enough tyo coach a lot of athletes in my carrer. i have also caoched some that weren't quite as gifted. it has been my experience that tvt50 is correct in his criteria. however, most of those qualities are present in the lesser athlete because he plays on diesire, because he loves the game. great athletes tend to be lazier and therefore more work, ie coaching. people who say its easier to coach athletes never had any, imho, because that is the way it seems to them. teams with players win, so it must be easy. we have played a lot of teams with a ton more talent than us and we beat them on a regular basis. the reason is or kids are coached. dallas has as much or more talent than any place in the country. they don't win very often because they don't have coaching. talent doesn't win, talent + coaching wins. Holla |
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Post by knighter on Mar 20, 2006 9:13:22 GMT -6
Give me a guy who can teach, who is remotley organized, who knows how to treat kids, and who can relate to kids as well, and I can teach him what he needs to know to be a good coach. My wife could coach football, and she has no basic knowledge of the game to draw upon. But she can teach, she knows how to treat people, she is very organized, and she relates well to young people. She would be a helluva an assistant coach!
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Post by moose18 on Mar 20, 2006 9:20:55 GMT -6
Not sure if you'd make a good Coach's Wife though Knighter
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Post by beatty on Mar 20, 2006 19:02:44 GMT -6
Get kids committed year-round to your program.
Discipline kids--train their mind and character (discipline does not always equal punishment).
Teach them the fundamentals of your system and have drills that correspond to what they will do in your system.
Have a strength and conditioning program that gets players bigger, faster, and stronger. Teach players how to use technique in each lift, teach players how to eat, and run a strength and conditioning program that applies to football!
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Post by saintrad on Mar 20, 2006 23:13:45 GMT -6
a good coach has former players come back to them and say "thanks for teaching me life skills and perspective coach." That is a sign of a good coach.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 20, 2006 23:25:29 GMT -6
You judge a "good coach" by the men he produces. I would judge a "good coach" by evaluating the citizenship of his players both in and finished with H.S..
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Post by aztec on Mar 20, 2006 23:26:02 GMT -6
Good coaches can get the most out of each of their players. Which is easier said than done. I find what works with one kid doesn't work for another. It is being able to get everyone on the same page and working together as a team.
As for the program it can matter. I say this because I played in crappy programs my whole playing career. I was 15-65-1 as a player. I had 6 head coaches in 8 years of football. The first day I walked onto the HS I am at now I have seen a huge difference. The program that I am part of is well established and has had great sucess. I learned more football in my first year there than I had in my previous 8 playing and 1 coaching. I found that the school did have some talent but what they did with it and how the staff and coaches approached the game is why they/we are sucessful. I studied everything that was being done day in and day out and learned how to be sucessful. There is a reason that certain companys are sucessful just like certain teams are they have a proven formula for sucess they use. If a coach comes from a good program but is a smaller division they are still sucessful. The big guys once were the little guy. Techmobowl coaches near me and has turned a poor program into a great program over the last few years. He is in a smaller division but has a proven formula for sucess at the HS he has coached.
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Post by brophy on Mar 21, 2006 8:27:53 GMT -6
sounds like a real obtuse issue here....
Teaching.....morals.....talent....knowledge...... difficult to get a pulse on a true definition. How is a coach to do some serious chest beating if he can't clearly define what makes him a stud?
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Post by gamedog on Mar 21, 2006 8:56:54 GMT -6
A good coach is in it for the kids. He goes above and beyond to help the kids be successful people and players. You may be lucky enough to coach players that go to big D1 schools and eventually the pros, but the one's I am most proud of are the ones that are successful people in the outside world.
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Post by captmccrae on Mar 21, 2006 9:26:27 GMT -6
A good coach makes his players better. He can get them to maximize their potential. Gets them to play together and as a team. They execute their assignments and hustle. They get after people and hit. They dont make a lot of mistakes, they dont beat themselves. His team never QUITS, they finish everything. I think tvt50 hit the nail on the head. If kids can apply the above a high % of the time to their lives outside football, then a coach has truly done some good. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 19:35:59 GMT -6
A lot of us have been part of teams that have won championships, but a pretty healthy percentage would say that those championship years weren't the years they did their best coaching.
We were loaded this year and won, but a few years ago we were truly outmatched and outathleted every week. I started 2 DBs who would have been 3rd stringers on this year's team. But they got together, we outworked a lot of people, made things work, and ended up playing in the semifinals. When it was all said and done they BELIEVED we should've done that well. They believed in us which tells me they took more from us than X's and O's.
I wouldn't trade a championship year away, but I'm convinced that part of the reason we did a good job this year was because we had to do a good job a few years ago.
It all comes around.
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Post by wildcat on Mar 23, 2006 8:14:49 GMT -6
?? How is a good coach defined? Is it possible that a coach is a good coach but not have a stellar W/L record? Depends what you mean by "steller". If a guy has been a head coach for 15 years and has never had a winning season, there might be a problem. I had a very successful high school coach tell me once that, with some "creative" scheduling, a "good" coach should be able to win, on average, anywhere from 5-7 games per year. Is it possible for a coach to be a skilled teacher but not have any D1 / NFL players? Absolutely! In fact, it's the guys who don't have a lot of D-I athletes but win consistently that impress me the most. Anyone can win with talent. Does the school size / enrollment determine the various grades of a good coach? Is a 5A coach better than a 1A coach? Apples and oranges. Big school football is a lot different than small school football. At the 1A level, you are dealing with kids who usually are three-sport athletes and will more than likely play both ways. At the 5A level, you are getting more specialization and a year-round commitment to football. My guess is that guys who are successful at 1A will be successful at 5A and vice-versa. Does previous playing experience give an indication on their current coaching performance? Possibly. I guess I ask because during the off-season, we see a lot of resumes flying by, but how much of the "pedigree" is valid / how much is fluff? If you saw a resume for a Network administrator.....one guy from a small town who spent the last five years integrating a small city government with Network development and support or a guy that has been working as a call center support for [glow=red,2,300]MICROSOFT[/glow]? Does the big names (dropping) offer credibility - how much? Well, if I'm hiring a new coach and he has some impressive names of respected coaches on his resume, I'm going to contact those guys and find out exactly what they did. Did they actually coach or were they responsible for scheduling bus times for freshmen games? |
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Post by shortyardage on Mar 24, 2006 0:31:55 GMT -6
John Wooden, now there is a coach.
Bear Bryant once said that a good coach can "take his and beat yours and then take yours and beat his."
A good coach takes his players to a place that they cannot get to by themselves.
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Post by knighter on Mar 24, 2006 5:47:29 GMT -6
Brophy-
I know you were kidding about chest beating, as a good coach has no need to do so. Not sure Paterno or Bowden or even the great Hayden Fry has ever patted himself on the back and shouted I am a STUD! Do good coaches have egos, no doubt some do. But the best coaches are the guys who help others, regardless of who they are. Great coaches are willing to sit down and help other coaches get better, are 100% into making their own kids better, and are showing a true passion for the sport.
There are those among us that TALK a good game, that no ALL the X's and O's, can diagram a play that works against any defense, can rattle off names a mile long that they know or are associated with. And they can't coach their way out of a paper bag. On the other side of the coin there are also guys that maybe can't talk a good game, or do not feel the need to do so, no what they run, and can break it down so that others can understand it, can show you adjustments that need to be made in various places, and will never name drop. They can also seel their program to their kids, and make the below average kid a better player, and make him feel like a superstar. They can sell the community on what they are doing, and are willing to be very outspoken when it comes to their own kids. In my opinion THAT is what makes a good coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2006 10:04:20 GMT -6
Schedule makes a bigger difference in defining a good coach than a lot of people would like to admit. School and community atmosphere does also. I can name a couple of highly regarded high school coaches here in Illinois that were legends at a school with state titles and then moved to other jobs and couldn't get it going.
Moving to another challenge may be appealling for a successful coach but if you find a place with a compatible schedule that values football you may be wise to stay.
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Post by coachcalande on Mar 28, 2006 11:11:11 GMT -6
Defining what makes a "good" Coach
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How is a good coach defined?
*TEACHING, ORGANIZATIONAL, LEADERSHIP AND COMMUNICATION SKILLS. PEOPLE PERSON.
Is it possible that a coach is a good coach but not have a stellar W/L record?
YES, IF YOU ARE GROSSLY OVERMATCHED. OTHERWISE NO.
Is it possible for a coach to be a skilled teacher but not have any D1 / NFL players?
OF COURSE
Does the school size / enrollment determine the various grades of a good coach? Is a 5A coach better than a 1A coach?
ABSOLUTELY NOT. YOU HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES AS THE REST OF THE GUYS IN YOUR CLASS
Does previous playing experience give an indication on their current coaching performance?
NO WAY
I guess I ask because during the off-season, we see a lot of resumes flying by, but how much of the "pedigree" is valid / how much is fluff?
THERES MORE THAN ENOUGH FLUFF TO GO AROUND.
If you saw a resume for a Network administrator.....one guy from a small town who spent the last five years integrating a small city government with Network development and support or a guy that has been working as a call center support for MICROSOFT?
Does the big names (dropping) offer credibility - how much
NONE
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