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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 11, 2006 22:12:29 GMT -6
What defense do you run at schools with 30 kids or less?
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Post by poweriguy on Dec 11, 2006 22:45:56 GMT -6
We ran a 5-3 defense. That's because we had one stud LB and two good tackles. Then we put speed at nose and ends. Also the majority of the schools we faced were running teams.3 wing-t,1flexbone,1 wishbone, 2 wing-I, 1 split back veer, and 2 pro set that ran 90% of the time.
Our DC did try running a 4-4, and we got eaten up, so back to the 5-3.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Dec 11, 2006 23:50:14 GMT -6
We run a 3-4 slanting and stunting defense. Almost always walk up one or two safeties and play with 8-9 in the box. We will blitz two linebackers virtually every down. Behind it we will usually play cover 3 or inverted 2. The teams we play against are pretty basic and vanilla. They just line up and say here we come. We play 5 Pro I teams, 1 split back pro, and 2 wing t. It works well for us because it allows us to get our best athletes on the field regardless of position.
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Post by los on Dec 12, 2006 4:49:39 GMT -6
They eventually settled on the 44 here, tried 353 (ran past too many ball carriers while stunting), tried the 53(couldn't find the 2 anchor ends). As the school gets more experience with football, I could really see them going back to the 33 stack, with the smaller players they have to work with. PS- I was gonna say smaller and quicker, but we'll just leave it at smaller lol! The average turnout for varsity football is 25-30 kids(9th thru 12th graders).
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 12, 2006 5:23:35 GMT -6
When I was at a smaller school we ran the 4-4 and 5-3. Those two defenses are pretty interchangable IMO. They are also pretty simple allowing us to teach kids more than one position.
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Post by coachshs on Dec 12, 2006 8:10:30 GMT -6
We are a base 5-3 and then line up in 4-4 about 15% of the time.
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Post by gldnglv165 on Dec 12, 2006 8:51:04 GMT -6
We run a 4-3 Under/Over. Most of the other teams in our league run a 4-4, one team runs a 5-3, and one team we faced ran a 4-5 with no safety against us. Wierd looking defense, but we went 0-10 passing against them with 1 INT. Still not sure how they did that to us.
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Post by mitch on Dec 12, 2006 9:13:45 GMT -6
Base is 4-4. Do a little 4-3 and 3-4 vs. spread teams.
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Post by tribepride on Dec 12, 2006 9:18:00 GMT -6
We run the 3-3. Teams in our conference run 5-2, 4-4, 4-3
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Post by knighter on Dec 12, 2006 9:52:43 GMT -6
We run the 52 Eagle. Have had good success with it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2006 10:47:15 GMT -6
We played 4-4 most of the year with 5-3 by the end of the season. With the exception of one game, we had much more success with the 5-3.
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Post by jburch on Dec 12, 2006 11:24:38 GMT -6
5-3. Any 8 man front is good. Have to stop the run to win.
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Post by fbdoc on Dec 12, 2006 12:19:31 GMT -6
We switched from a 5-2 to the 3-3-5 this year because we felt it was a better fit for our kids. Small school or big school, you can only put 11 kids on the field. Figure out what they can do, and then coach them up!
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Post by coachnorm on Dec 12, 2006 14:43:11 GMT -6
our base is a 4-4 but, to me, the key at a small school is to have a system that's flexible enough to adapt to varying talent and abilities from year to year and even (with injuries) week to week. That's why we use a call system that allows us to place nearly any player in the alignment we want and run multiple fronts out of our base defense. To me you've got to be adaptible.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 12, 2006 14:56:13 GMT -6
For you guys who run the 3-3/3-5 in the small school who coaches your spurs? I have read that some coaches say they really need thier own separate position coach b/c of the hybrid position they are. If you only have 3 coaches I would assume they work with the LB coach.
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Post by tribepride on Dec 12, 2006 15:25:43 GMT -6
For you guys who run the 3-3/3-5 in the small school who coaches your spurs? I have read that some coaches say they really need thier own separate position coach b/c of the hybrid position they are. If you only have 3 coaches I would assume they work with the LB coach. We have four total. 1 DL 1 LB's 1 DB's the header (OC) with take the "Spurs" when we need them to work on different drills than the DB's (or he'll take the DB's and the DB coach takes the Spurs)
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Post by bigcroz on Dec 12, 2006 16:07:55 GMT -6
We run the 3-3 with only 3 coaches and my spur/bandit work with both the DB's and LB's. These are 2 of my better athletes and can handle the multi tasking. That being said I would prefer to have an extra coach to specifically work with the spur/bandit.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 12, 2006 17:21:15 GMT -6
We run the 3-3 with only 3 coaches and my spur/bandit work with both the DB's and LB's. These are 2 of my better athletes and can handle the multi tasking. That being said I would prefer to have an extra coach to specifically work with the spur/bandit. That is what I kind of figured with the spur/bandit/rover guys is that they have to be to of your best athletes...therefor they are better at handling the multitasking (at least from a physical standpoint.)
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Post by fbdoc on Dec 13, 2006 18:48:04 GMT -6
We send our spur/bandits with the group where we feel MOST of their game will be vs our opponent (we have 3 coaches) that week. Most of our district opponents are run oriented but they also get drill on pass defense, 7 on 7, etc.
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Post by smurfturf on Dec 14, 2006 8:25:11 GMT -6
I prefer the 4-2-5. It is easily adjustable to all types of offense, and simple terminology.
Kids learn the same thing no matter who you play. With just a word or two you can jump into a 5-2 look, 6-2 look, 4-4, or 4-3. Responsibilities don't change.
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Post by dubber on Dec 19, 2006 1:06:44 GMT -6
If you have 30 kids (like we do) in the whole program, it is best to have a simple defense that handles what you face. Usually, you only have a handful of play makers, so give them the most responsibility. Got a Stud D-lineman? Make him a two gap player. Shut-down corner? Put him man on the best WR.
Most importantly, make sure all can tackle and take good steps/angles-----a tendency at small school is to coach too much scheme and not enough fundamentals. You got only 20 minutes with a kid a day---make him a better tackler.
THink Jimmies and Joes, not X's and O's
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