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Post by coachnicholson on Feb 10, 2006 16:02:26 GMT -6
Coaches,
What are the best states to coach in? Please give your reasons why you feel the state(s) you listed are the best to coach in. Also some other questions here..
1.What states pay the best for assistants and head coaches?
2.What states still have many P.E openings?
3.What states have most of their head coaches serve as their AD? For ex: Texas does but Ohio does not. Also, do most states require their AD's to be certified teachers?
4.Which states have Drivers Edu. as a class? I saw a drivers edu. opening in the Florida job listings.
5.Are there any states where having a teaching certificate DOES NOT matter when you apply for a coaching job? I have been told Pennsylvania is like this.
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scox80
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Post by scox80 on Feb 10, 2006 19:29:58 GMT -6
California blows! Save the weather!
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 10, 2006 20:33:42 GMT -6
I am in Pa and i can tell you, its a school to school thing. there are schools that look to hire teachers first, then there are those that hire guys who are drinking buddies with teh school board members...its an individual thing. I think teaching helps you get in the door ONLY IF they have an opening in your subject area....otherwise, if youre the right guy, they can manufacture a job...(ie, youre a big name, they will hire you and find a spot SOMEWHERE in the district doing SOMETHING)
regarding phys ed...well, i have been looking for a HC position for about 5 years and have yet to see a phys ed opening.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 10, 2006 23:08:57 GMT -6
anywhere but NW new mexico
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 11, 2006 2:38:38 GMT -6
I've been in 3 states: Wyoming, Colorado and Nebraska (2 schools). By far, my best experience has been in Nebraska. I teach 1/2 time (PE- Athletic Weight training) and am 1/2 time admin. (AD and AP...small school). Pay is not great, but cost of living is very low. Actually, I make a little more now (Class A school) than I did in Colorado (Class 5A school) and my house is exactly 1/6 the cost it was in CO. I taught more classes in CO (but didn't have any administrative duties). From what I have experienced, and have heard from friends and family who coach all over (IA, CA, TX, LA, MT, WA, OR, KS), Nebraska is (generally) a good place to coach HS football. Drawbacks: mostly really small schools; almost half play 8 man football, weather sucks (seasons are: Winter, winter, winter and damn hot), and there is a helmet law for motorcycles. Property tax is pretty high too (relatively, but again houses are cheap outside of Omaha and Lincoln). Football is still the main thing here, and coaching class A here is, in a lot of respects, a bigger deal than coaching 5A in a metropolitan area in Colorado.
I do agree with coachcal... it has been a school by school thing no matter what state (and we need those schools to do it all wrong so we always have someone to beat even when we are down). I have it great here- when I go to clinics or spring practices... it all gets counted as professional days, not personal. Plus, during playoffs, the Superintendent has no problem with me taking a day off to drive and pick up game films. Every football player gets to lift weights year-round in class. Our facilities are good- we have a weight room equivalent to schools 4 classes higher than us, our field is in great shape (we just put in a new press box last year). Some schools in our conference have an old bus for a press box, holes in the ground on the field and have a few weights in a closet... so it really depends on the school and the value football (and athletics in general) have there.
so... pay is OK, PE is sparse, smaller schools have HFBC/AD combos a lot, Driver's Ed. is usually a summer course here (between 8th-9th, as they can drive here at 14). and most places you can get an emergency or provisional certificate.
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Post by buddy06 on Feb 11, 2006 11:16:23 GMT -6
id have to say georgia is prety damn good. pay is good......athletes are second to none.....although the coaching sux...i guess thats why there is an influx of coaches from florida, alabama, south carolina and tennessee. have lately started seeing a lot of northern coaches applying down here............if you can handle the thug enviroment in most schools.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 11, 2006 12:41:35 GMT -6
I second buddy,
Georgia is great.
1) Supplement pay for assitants range form 3 to 6 G's. HC from 6 to 8's and a lot schools booster clubs kick in money anywhere from 3 to 20 G's.
2) P.E. Openings are average here
3) The smaller schools and counties have their AD as HC as well. At the big schools less likely, if they fire you they want you to leave.
4)We do, but hard to get a job in that position/
5)You need to be a teacher, but we pay great!
In the southeast, I sya Georgia, lower Flordia, but I dodn't recommend them, South Car. followed by Bama and then NC.
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Post by buddy06 on Feb 11, 2006 13:48:53 GMT -6
whip,
i agree.....im in georgia, originally from bama....and i am wanting to get back to bama before i log too many years over here......
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Post by aztec on Feb 11, 2006 22:05:34 GMT -6
What is up with taking pot shots at Cali? Besides the great weather, BTW 80 degrees today and beautiful. Did I mention it is Feb. 11?  ? California produces some of the top players year in and year out. The general rules allow you to work with the players year around. The section I coach in is much larger than most states and one of the most competive. The reality of coaching football comes down to where you are happy. Regardless of it is in Wyoming or Florida it comes down to the people and school you are at and how they treat you. I am from Southern California and don't plan on ever leaving. I coach at a school that is 15 miles from where I grew up and I live 4 miles from work now. We have a great community that supports football and we really have a small town feel, even thought we are at a big HS and in a fairly large city. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 11, 2006 22:17:52 GMT -6
I'm not going to say one state is the "best" or is "better" than another, but I gotta' believe when you factor in all things (participation, pay, level of community/school involvement & support, # of colleges, opportunities for improvement, etc.) then Texas should ALWAYS be included in this conversation as one of the best places to coach.
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Post by airman on Feb 11, 2006 22:41:05 GMT -6
as former Pacfic lutheran coach frosty westering says
Make the big time, where you are.
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Post by bigdaddyd on Feb 11, 2006 22:51:43 GMT -6
What is up with taking pot shots at Cali? Besides the great weather, BTW 80 degrees today and beautiful. Did I mention it is Feb. 11? ? California produces some of the top players year in and year out. The general rules allow you to work with the players year around. The section I coach in is much larger than most states and one of the most competive. The reality of coaching football comes down to where you are happy. Regardless of it is in Wyoming or Florida it comes down to the people and school you are at and how they treat you. I am from Southern California and don't plan on ever leaving. I coach at a school that is 15 miles from where I grew up and I live 4 miles from work now. We have a great community that supports football and we really have a small town feel, even thought we are at a big HS and in a fairly large city. California love... I'm with you AZTEC... wouldn't want it, any other way, and I'm at a medium size school with average athletes at best. Oh ... In the BAY... It was a comfortable 72 degrees, today..  In the words of pegleg... Holla |
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Post by jackedup on Feb 12, 2006 10:31:14 GMT -6
airman... you sound like my wife with that quote. We've been talking about places to move because I don't feel MD is a big football state and her words are always, "do something to make it a big football state". Least to say, we haven't moved and in fact we just bought a new house.
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Post by coachnicholson on Feb 12, 2006 20:16:17 GMT -6
Thanks for all the replies guys. Can anyone provide any more info on AD's?
Do most schools care if their AD/Coach is a certified teacher?...or can you have some other type of degree such as Sports Management? If they do that doesnt make much sense to me!
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Post by airman on Feb 13, 2006 16:43:08 GMT -6
airman... you sound like my wife with that quote. We've been talking about places to move because I don't feel MD is a big football state and her words are always, "do something to make it a big football state". Least to say, we haven't moved and in fact we just bought a new house. be the change you want to see in the world. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 13, 2006 22:34:19 GMT -6
In GA you must be a cert. teacher to be a AD, with a Sports Management degree you can get a GA cert. in Business Ed or P.E.
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Post by coachfrank on Feb 13, 2006 23:07:32 GMT -6
Hands down Texas high school football is the best. We've had and will have the best high school football team in the country.
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Post by coachnicholson on Feb 14, 2006 7:48:34 GMT -6
In GA you must be a cert. teacher to be a AD, with a Sports Management degree you can get a GA cert. in Business Ed or P.E. What all is involved with gaining that Bus.Ed or PE certificate? |
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Post by runnhit on Feb 14, 2006 10:24:45 GMT -6
Of course I am Biased, but Texas is great. I've been to HS games with 40,000 people watching. The pay is the best around. LOTS of coaches on most staffs. Athletic period during the school day. Plus, next to God, HS football is just about the most important thing in TX.
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Post by coachy on Feb 14, 2006 10:33:37 GMT -6
I've been in Texas and Oklahoma. By far Texas is far and above what oklahoma does. In oklahoma the pay is horrid. P.E jobs are tough to find. I'd think most of the AD's are coaches. some of the bigger schools do have Drivers Ed as a class.
I took a 8,000 dollar pay cut to coach in Oklahoma (oklahoma is my home).
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Post by airman on Feb 14, 2006 10:51:54 GMT -6
as my great aunt who teaches in texas says" it is a great place to coach/play football but a lousy state to teachget a education in"
the city she is in will constantly pony up money for the football program but new text books, now that is another story. 22 million for a new stadium but text books from the 1980s in the math department.
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Post by tog on Feb 14, 2006 10:55:27 GMT -6
the stadiums pay for themselves
Education in Texas is fine. The teachers are great. The populations we have to deal with is what brings us down in the "rankings"
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 14, 2006 11:01:50 GMT -6
Just passing the Praxis Test
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 14, 2006 16:36:38 GMT -6
In NE and CO, you do not need to be a certified teacher to coach- you must get coaching certification (pretty easy), but do not need to have a teaching credential. That being said, I would think it would be a lot tougher to be a head coach if you are not in the building in some capacity.
As far as AD goes, you need at minimum a teaching certificate, some districts require an administrative certificate (masters degree).
Do most schools care if their AD/Coach is a certified teacher?...or can you have some other type of degree such as Sports Management? If they do that doesnt make much sense to me!
In those states, you would need an ed. degree to be an AD, though I know in some places you can have a sports admin. masters on top of a teaching certificate. And of course it doesn't make sense.... NCLB ensures that. Still, if a district wants you bad enough, there are loopholes (for a while with provisional or emergency certificates; Colorado's emerg. can be infinite- NE is limited to 1 yr. emergency and two year provisional).
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Post by coachnicholson on Feb 15, 2006 10:47:31 GMT -6
I am currently taking classes to gain my teaching certificate but at the same time I am always curious about other avenues as well. What if a person knows they want to be an AD? Are they suppose to go to school for 4 years to gain a teaching certificate in a subject that they may never teach just to say they are a certified teacher? Would it not be more logical for future AD's to have actually earned a degree in a sports related field instead of Social Studies or Math?
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Post by coachjd on Feb 15, 2006 10:53:49 GMT -6
most of the AD's around in Minnesota are former coaches who had success, no matter what degree they have. The bigger schools are requiring the AD's to hold a admin lisence, but again is former coaches with experience and usaully some success.
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Post by coachnicholson on Feb 15, 2006 11:06:33 GMT -6
I realize that most schools want to hire someone with years of experience as their AD but at the same time I believe if you want a job bad enough and are willing to move where ever that job might be available then you will probably find it.
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Post by coachjd on Feb 15, 2006 11:50:04 GMT -6
i'm not saying you can't go out and find an AD's job. I looked in our state directory at the names of the AD's in our confernece and section and all of them are former or current coaches who have had success.
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Post by seagull73 on Feb 15, 2006 12:05:44 GMT -6
The grass isn't always greener.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 15, 2006 12:39:33 GMT -6
Here you must be a teacher to a AD or certified. They would hire you with a Master in Sports Management if you were certified.
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