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Post by planck on Aug 30, 2019 22:10:16 GMT -6
First game tonight. First quarter, opponent's press box is blasting music while we on offense at the LOS trying to snap the ball. Tell the official this is a blatant rules violation and ask him to put a stop to it.
Official tells me this is my only warning and he's "about to make my life hell." Prick throws 25 flags on us to 1 on our opponent. Total screw job.
I'm going to laugh in the face of the next person who tells me there is a shortage of officials.
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Post by blb on Aug 31, 2019 6:23:09 GMT -6
First game tonight. First quarter, opponent's press box is blasting music while we on offense at the LOS trying to snap the ball. Tell the official this is a blatant rules violation and ask him to put a stop to it. Official tells me this is my only warning and he's "about to make my life hell." Prick throws 25 flags on us to 1 on our opponent. Total screw job. I'm going to laugh in the face of the next person who tells me there is a shortage of officials.
That's incredibly unprofessional.
Make sure your AD and local officials' association know about it.
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Post by planck on Aug 31, 2019 8:15:09 GMT -6
Already filed a complaint. Unfortunately, the IHSAA makes it clear they don't give a crap about complaints and violations, which is why football is in bad shape here.
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Post by blb on Aug 31, 2019 9:04:33 GMT -6
Already filed a complaint. Unfortunately, the IHSAA makes it clear they don't give a crap about complaints and violations, which is why football is in bad shape here.
Is there a (head of) local officials' organization you can to talk to?
AD should also talk to opponents' AD about band - poor sportsmanship even if not flagged.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 1, 2019 11:07:19 GMT -6
Already filed a complaint. Unfortunately, the IHSAA makes it clear they don't give a crap about complaints and violations, which is why football is in bad shape here. When I was in Indiana, at one point it was worse on an official to not rate them than it was to give them a low rating but I thought they changed that. Also if it’s that bad HC should be able to scratch a crew from working games again. Most officials I had were really good in Indiana compared to some other states but like any profession some are terrible. When I was a head baseball coach, we were playing a team and the other team’s coach was complaining about some calls so the official unsolicited said to our catcher “that guy is a real c—sucker!” The kid told me so I turned it into the state because it just felt wrong. My AD said the guy at the association just laughed and said they would look into it. Nothing happened. Definitely can’t see anything happening in your case either unless you got it on video.
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Post by planck on Sept 1, 2019 11:44:42 GMT -6
Already filed a complaint. Unfortunately, the IHSAA makes it clear they don't give a crap about complaints and violations, which is why football is in bad shape here. When I was in Indiana, at one point it was worse on an official to not rate them than it was to give them a low rating but I thought they changed that. Also if it’s that bad HC should be able to scratch a crew from working games again. Most officials I had were really good in Indiana compared to some other states but like any profession some are terrible. When I was a head baseball coach, we were playing a team and the other team’s coach was complaining about some calls so the official unsolicited said to our catcher “that guy is a real c—sucker!” The kid told me so I turned it into the state because it just felt wrong. My AD said the guy at the association just laughed and said they would look into it. Nothing happened. Definitely can’t see anything happening in your case either unless you got it on video. I have it all on video. Our ad already said he can promise nothing will happen. I can put up with a lot, but I'm just tired of {censored} like this. Why put in all the effort so some octagenarian can go on a power trip.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 1, 2019 15:27:38 GMT -6
When I was in Indiana, at one point it was worse on an official to not rate them than it was to give them a low rating but I thought they changed that. Also if it’s that bad HC should be able to scratch a crew from working games again. Most officials I had were really good in Indiana compared to some other states but like any profession some are terrible. When I was a head baseball coach, we were playing a team and the other team’s coach was complaining about some calls so the official unsolicited said to our catcher “that guy is a real c—sucker!” The kid told me so I turned it into the state because it just felt wrong. My AD said the guy at the association just laughed and said they would look into it. Nothing happened. Definitely can’t see anything happening in your case either unless you got it on video. I have it all on video. Our ad already said he can promise nothing will happen. I can put up with a lot, but I'm just tired of {censored} like this. Why put in all the effort so some octagenarian can go on a power trip. Find out his name and address. Send him a copy of the article describing the Brazilian Soccer official who was lynched, quartered and beheaded. .. In all seriousness, although I hate the over litigious society, if you have it on video that you tried to point out the obvious rules violation (not a judgement call) and have evidence that you were then threatened, maybe you have a lawyer on the booster club who can just start some rabble rousing. I mean if the NFL can be harassed by the Saints fan based over a judgement call, who knows.
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Post by insidethestripes on Sept 2, 2019 17:41:34 GMT -6
First game tonight. First quarter, opponent's press box is blasting music while we on offense at the LOS trying to snap the ball. Tell the official this is a blatant rules violation and ask him to put a stop to it. Do you play under NFHS or NCAA rules?
While it may be hard to believe, NFHS doesn't have any rules relative to noise. I looked in both the rule book and case book and the closest thing I would find would be 9-9-1, which states "(a) player or nonplayer or person(s) not subject to the rules shall not hinder play by an unfair act which has no specific rule coverage". The case plays relative to that specific rule talk about things like refusing to unpile and "where's my tee" type of plays rather than artificial noise.
The NCAA rules do prohibit people subject to the rules, including bands, from creating any noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals. That said, I know a D1 referee who was let go (after being lambasted in the national media) for trying to enforce it after members of the cheerleading squad where using artificial noisemakers to interfere with the visitor's signals.
Might be time to start practicing silent counts...
P.S. As an official, assuming that your team was not significantly more undisciplined than your opponents, I'm embarrassed by his actions. Sorry that you had to deal with that attitude and I hope that something is done about it. The shortage is no joke, though, and you likely wouldn't have had to deal with that angry octogenarian if a whole generation or two hadn't given up on officiating due to an increasingly toxic culture. Most assignors want to put their best on the field...
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Post by planck on Sept 2, 2019 17:53:50 GMT -6
First game tonight. First quarter, opponent's press box is blasting music while we on offense at the LOS trying to snap the ball. Tell the official this is a blatant rules violation and ask him to put a stop to it. Do you play under NFHS or NCAA rules?
While it may be hard to believe, NFHS doesn't have any rules relative to noise. I looked in both the rule book and case book and the closest thing I would find would be 9-9-1, which states "(a) player or nonplayer or person(s) not subject to the rules shall not hinder play by an unfair act which has no specific rule coverage". The case plays relative to that specific rule talk about things like refusing to unpile and "where's my tee" type of plays rather than artificial noise.
The NCAA rules do prohibit people subject to the rules, including bands, from creating any noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals. That said, I know a D1 referee who was let go (after being lambasted in the national media) for trying to enforce it after members of the cheerleading squad where using artificial noisemakers to interfere with the visitor's signals.
Might be time to start practicing silent counts...
P.S. As an official, assuming that your team was not significantly more undisciplined than your opponents, I'm embarrassed by his actions. Sorry that you had to deal with that attitude and I hope that something is done about it. The shortage is no joke, though, and you likely wouldn't have had to deal with that angry octogenarian if a whole generation or two hadn't given up on officiating due to an increasingly toxic culture. Most assignors want to put their best on the field...Thanks, I really appreciate your perspective, I was operating under that assumption that the nfhs and NCAA rules were in agreement on artificial noise makers. Apparently they aren't (as an aside, I'm going to consider blasting our PA at every home game now). The specific issue we are having is that there are a large number of head officials in Iowa who are supplementing their retirement officiating. We generally have really good side judges,mostly in their 20's and 30's, but we get these decrepit guys in the middle of the field who should have long ago hung it up. I think the shortage would improve dramatically if they didn't keep marginalizing competent officials and supporting bad officials with seniority.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 9, 2019 12:48:57 GMT -6
We played a game last week where the band - and they were a darn good band - were playing music louder than you can imagine. Our HC complained to the official who went to the opposing team's HC and told him to quiet them down or he was going to throw a flag on him. The HC tried to quiet them down but the band wouldn't hear it - this was their opportunity to perform and by golly, they were going to perform. It was actually pretty funny. The ref eventually threw a flag on them and their HC went nuts. Didn't matter, they kept playing. Our HC actually told the ref, "You know, I thought he had told them to play loud to screw with us but he legit seems like he wants them to stop. Don't throw any more flags on him, we'll just live with it." After the game the other team's coaching staff and our staff were laughing about. The HC talking about their band leader said, "That f----g guy makes me nuts, he thinks every football game is his chance to make it big." This is in California.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 10, 2019 4:51:46 GMT -6
Do you play under NFHS or NCAA rules?
While it may be hard to believe, NFHS doesn't have any rules relative to noise. I looked in both the rule book and case book and the closest thing I would find would be 9-9-1, which states "(a) player or nonplayer or person(s) not subject to the rules shall not hinder play by an unfair act which has no specific rule coverage". The case plays relative to that specific rule talk about things like refusing to unpile and "where's my tee" type of plays rather than artificial noise.
The NCAA rules do prohibit people subject to the rules, including bands, from creating any noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals. That said, I know a D1 referee who was let go (after being lambasted in the national media) for trying to enforce it after members of the cheerleading squad where using artificial noisemakers to interfere with the visitor's signals.
Might be time to start practicing silent counts...
P.S. As an official, assuming that your team was not significantly more undisciplined than your opponents, I'm embarrassed by his actions. Sorry that you had to deal with that attitude and I hope that something is done about it. The shortage is no joke, though, and you likely wouldn't have had to deal with that angry octogenarian if a whole generation or two hadn't given up on officiating due to an increasingly toxic culture. Most assignors want to put their best on the field... Thanks, I really appreciate your perspective, I was operating under that assumption that the nfhs and NCAA rules were in agreement on artificial noise makers. Apparently they aren't (as an aside, I'm going to consider blasting our PA at every home game now). The specific issue we are having is that there are a large number of head officials in Iowa who are supplementing their retirement officiating. We generally have really good side judges,mostly in their 20's and 30's, but we get these decrepit guys in the middle of the field who should have long ago hung it up. I think the shortage would improve dramatically if they didn't keep marginalizing competent officials and supporting bad officials with seniority. We lost in OT Friday night. QB for the other team threw a long TD pass in the 4th QT when he was 4 yards past the LOS. The official did not call it because he had already started to waddle downfield before the QB threw the ball. Brutal on film. It didn't cost us the game as we had many opportunities to put it away, but man...I wish they wouldn't have missed that one!
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Post by oguru on Sept 10, 2019 9:35:07 GMT -6
In my first varsity game as an official linejudge. I told the head coach to keep his coaches back off the field, and was told "It's going to be a long game if you think we are staying off the field as coaches. I ran into one of them and boom went the flag. The HC went ballistic saying I had no business running out of bounds down the sideline and have to stay on the field of play. I just blew it off. For every "CRAPPY OFFICIAL" There are also CRAPPY COACHES. SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS The night before in a freshman game I had a coach Yell out loud "DO YOUR {censored} JOB. THROW YOUR {censored} FLAG". Well I did 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on him. Then later the same coach told me that t's not intentional grounding f the QB throws the ball out of bounds and the closest receiver is 20 yards downfield. Not sure what rulebook he is reading but that is a FLAG
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Post by planck on Sept 10, 2019 10:23:20 GMT -6
In my first varsity game as an official linejudge. I told the head coach to keep his coaches back off the field, and was told "It's going to be a long game if you think we are staying off the field as coaches. I ran into one of them and boom went the flag. The HC went ballistic saying I had no business running out of bounds down the sideline and have to stay on the field of play. I just blew it off. For every "CRAPPY OFFICIAL" There are also CRAPPY COACHES. SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS The night before in a freshman game I had a coach Yell out loud "DO YOUR {censored} JOB. THROW YOUR {censored} FLAG". Well I did 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on him. Then later the same coach told me that t's not intentional grounding f the QB throws the ball out of bounds and the closest receiver is 20 yards downfield. Not sure what rulebook he is reading but that is a FLAG I laughed, because I'm big on "stay backing" the kids. Last year, some doofus player on our side is standing on the stripe and the official just absolutely decleated him running down on a kickoff. Gave him a concussion. Then flagged him. I told him it was his own damn fault and ran his ass when he came off protocol. Stay off the field, coaches.
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Post by insidethestripes on Sept 12, 2019 19:02:14 GMT -6
Thanks, I really appreciate your perspective, I was operating under that assumption that the nfhs and NCAA rules were in agreement on artificial noise makers. Apparently they aren't (as an aside, I'm going to consider blasting our PA at every home game now). The specific issue we are having is that there are a large number of head officials in Iowa who are supplementing their retirement officiating. We generally have really good side judges,mostly in their 20's and 30's, but we get these decrepit guys in the middle of the field who should have long ago hung it up. I think the shortage would improve dramatically if they didn't keep marginalizing competent officials and supporting bad officials with seniority. We lost in OT Friday night. QB for the other team threw a long TD pass in the 4th QT when he was 4 yards past the LOS. The official did not call it because he had already started to waddle downfield before the QB threw the ball. Brutal on film. It didn't cost us the game as we had many opportunities to put it away, but man...I wish they wouldn't have missed that one! That's awful and I'm sorry that happened to you and your kids. Don't know where you are and the size of your crews, but in a five man crew that's the umpire's responsibility and not the "waddling" sideline guy. That said, there's no excuse to miss that call. The umpire should be at the LOS and have a clear view. The referee should be near the QB at the time of the release and if he doesn't remember where the LOS is... he can put a bag down and look at the sticks after the play. If you can share the film, I'd love to see it.
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Post by cfoott on Oct 4, 2019 8:03:46 GMT -6
All officiating every where is horrible. Our league is the worst in our section. Maybe the worse in Northern California. Every staff in our league hates our officials. Teams in our section dread playing any team from our league. If multiple teams have a problem WITH you, the problem IS you.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 4, 2019 14:42:33 GMT -6
All officiating every where is horrible. Our league is the worst in our section. Maybe the worse in Northern California. Every staff in our league hates our officials. Teams in our section dread playing any team from our league. If multiple teams have a problem WITH you, the problem IS you.
Yup, it is... And, there isn't a whole helluva lot we can do about it.
An opposing player tackled one of our black kids right next to our sideline and started spewing all kinds of racial slurs. It was loud, blatant and obvious to everyone on our sideline. The sideline judge was standing right there and I asked him why he'd let that stand (after I calmed down our kids and staff).
He stared me right in the eye and said:
"I didn't hear anything. Back up before I flag you".
I told our administration about it and we filed a formal complaint but absolutely nothing came out of it. We'll have him on our sideline again tonight.
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Post by insidethestripes on Oct 6, 2019 22:17:46 GMT -6
All officiating every where is horrible. Our league is the worst in our section. Maybe the worse in Northern California. Every staff in our league hates our officials. Teams in our section dread playing any team from our league. If multiple teams have a problem WITH you, the problem IS you. All officiating everywhere?! Thanks for the sideline rant.
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Post by insidethestripes on Oct 6, 2019 22:23:47 GMT -6
All officiating every where is horrible. Our league is the worst in our section. Maybe the worse in Northern California. Every staff in our league hates our officials. Teams in our section dread playing any team from our league. If multiple teams have a problem WITH you, the problem IS you.
Yup, it is... And, there isn't a whole helluva lot we can do about it.
Actually, there is something you can to about it. Don't be a douche to new, young officials who WILL make mistakes. They leave the game and you're left with crusty vets who don't GIF if everyone has a problem with them. And you're left with assignment chairs that don't have any options.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 7, 2019 13:50:41 GMT -6
Yup, it is... And, there isn't a whole helluva lot we can do about it.
Actually, there is something you can to about it. Don't be a douche to new, young officials who WILL make mistakes. They leave the game and you're left with crusty vets who don't GIF if everyone has a problem with them. And you're left with assignment chairs that don't have any options.
I've never been rude to an official. However, letting a kid call another one a "dumbsh-t n-bomb" right in front of him isn't a "mistake".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 19:22:07 GMT -6
All officiating every where is horrible. Our league is the worst in our section. Maybe the worse in Northern California. Every staff in our league hates our officials. Teams in our section dread playing any team from our league. If multiple teams have a problem WITH you, the problem IS you.
Yup, it is... And, there isn't a whole helluva lot we can do about it.
An opposing player tackled one of our black kids right next to our sideline and started spewing all kinds of racial slurs. It was loud, blatant and obvious to everyone on our sideline. The sideline judge was standing right there and I asked him why he'd let that stand (after I calmed down our kids and staff).
He stared me right in the eye and said:
"I didn't hear anything. Back up before I flag you".
I told our administration about it and we filed a formal complaint but absolutely nothing came out of it. We'll have him on our sideline again tonight.
somebody tries that here, they would it down for a month. Curfews, everything. That kid and official would be lucky to finish the game alive, I kid you not.
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Post by planck on Oct 8, 2019 5:29:14 GMT -6
www.kcci.com/article/lincoln-football-coach-could-face-charges-after-dowling-game/29380717#I'm not going to say the coach was right, because he wasn't. But officials in Iowa aren't doing their jobs keeping kids safe. Last week, I lost my starting rb and qb to uncalled hits oob where they were dragged down in a horse collar and rolled up. Torn mcl, snapped tibia. If you want to be treated with respect, keep the kids safe.you aren't entitled to my deference if you can't protect the players.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 8, 2019 7:16:02 GMT -6
Yup, it is... And, there isn't a whole helluva lot we can do about it.
An opposing player tackled one of our black kids right next to our sideline and started spewing all kinds of racial slurs. It was loud, blatant and obvious to everyone on our sideline. The sideline judge was standing right there and I asked him why he'd let that stand (after I calmed down our kids and staff).
He stared me right in the eye and said:
"I didn't hear anything. Back up before I flag you".
I told our administration about it and we filed a formal complaint but absolutely nothing came out of it. We'll have him on our sideline again tonight.
somebody tries that here, they would it down for a month. Curfews, everything. That kid and official would be lucky to finish the game alive, I kid you not.
Well, nothing happened in this neck of the woods. The official just claimed ignorance and it went forward. I know he heard it because I didn't ask him if he heard anything. I asked "Are you going to let that stand?!" and he responded with "I didn't hear anything".
And it happened five feet from the sideline official and it was loud enough that I everyone on our sideline heard it. I had to get between an assistant and the official to keep things from getting out of hand. It was ridiculous.
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Post by insidethestripes on Oct 8, 2019 21:29:56 GMT -6
www.kcci.com/article/lincoln-football-coach-could-face-charges-after-dowling-game/29380717#I'm not going to say the coach was right, because he wasn't. But officials in Iowa aren't doing their jobs keeping kids safe. Last week, I lost my starting rb and qb to uncalled hits oob where they were dragged down in a horse collar and rolled up. Torn mcl, snapped tibia. If you want to be treated with respect, keep the kids safe.you aren't entitled to my deference if you can't protect the players. What foul do you see in the Dowling play? That's shoulder to shoulder contact with possible incidental helmet contact. The defender even turns his head away from the quarterback to make sure he's not hitting with the crown. I'm sorry your players got hurt, but no official can prevent injury... it's a dangerous game. . A flag after the fact wasn't going to un-tear the MCL or un-snap the tibia.
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Post by planck on Oct 9, 2019 4:04:40 GMT -6
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Post by jml on Oct 9, 2019 6:21:49 GMT -6
www.kcci.com/article/lincoln-football-coach-could-face-charges-after-dowling-game/29380717#I'm not going to say the coach was right, because he wasn't. But officials in Iowa aren't doing their jobs keeping kids safe. Last week, I lost my starting rb and qb to uncalled hits oob where they were dragged down in a horse collar and rolled up. Torn mcl, snapped tibia. If you want to be treated with respect, keep the kids safe.you aren't entitled to my deference if you can't protect the players. What foul do you see in the Dowling play? That's shoulder to shoulder contact with possible incidental helmet contact. The defender even turns his head away from the quarterback to make sure he's not hitting with the crown. I'm sorry your players got hurt, but no official can prevent injury... it's a dangerous game. . A flag after the fact wasn't going to un-tear the MCL or un-snap the tibia. I agree, I saw the video from 2 or 3 different angles, one view it looks shoulder to shoulder, the other looks helmet to helmet. I assume because the official was right there he would have heard a helmet to helmet. Am I blind?
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Post by insidethestripes on Oct 9, 2019 6:52:53 GMT -6
The fact that two helmets came together doesn’t necessarily indicate that a foul has taken place. In fact, helmets hit other helmets on every play. Illegal helmet contact requires a player to initiate contact with the helmet and targeting requires taking aim and initiating contact. While I agree that officials should air on the side of safety, that’s reserved for plays when there is doubt. Based on the angle that I’ve seen there would have been no doubt that the initial contact was shoulder to shoulder with incidental helmet contact. The fact that the defender is actively turning his head away from the quarterback strengthens the arguement that he’s not taking aim nor trying to initiate contact with his helmet.
SECTION 20 HELMET CONTACT–ILLEGAL, TARGETING
ART. 1 . . . Illegal helmet contact is an act of initiating contact with the helmet against an opponent. There are several types of illegal helmet contact: a. Butt Blocking is an act by any player who initiates contact against an opponent who is not a runner with the front of his helmet. b. Face Tackling is an act by a defensive player who initiates contact against a runner with the front of his helmet. c. Spearing is an act by any player who initiates contact against an opponent at the shoulders or below with the crown (top portion) of his helmet.
ART. 2 . . . Targeting is an act by any player who takes aim and initiates contact against an opponent above the shoulders with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulders.
It’s also downright bizarre that coach/dad, who is so concerned about keeping his players/son safe, never once even attempts to check on the kid.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 9, 2019 7:31:04 GMT -6
What foul do you see in the Dowling play? That's shoulder to shoulder contact with possible incidental helmet contact. The defender even turns his head away from the quarterback to make sure he's not hitting with the crown. I'm sorry your players got hurt, but no official can prevent injury... it's a dangerous game. . A flag after the fact wasn't going to un-tear the MCL or un-snap the tibia. I agree, I saw the video from 2 or 3 different angles, one view it looks shoulder to shoulder, the other looks helmet to helmet. I assume because the official was right there he would have heard a helmet to helmet. Am I blind?
You are correct, missing a call wouldn't roll back the hands of time and undo an injury. However, when we have good officials, the horse collars are called quickly and the kids stop trying to tackle like that. When they're not called, they continue all game long which increases the chance of an injury. We ran into that two weeks in a row. One set of officials called the first one and the opposing defense started tackling correctly. The next game, it wasn't called at all and the game started getting out of hand. Their kids were dragging us down by the collar so our kids started reciprocating.
The staff and I did our best to get our kids to knock it off (pulled two repeat offenders after warning them) and talked to the officials but it just kept up. Before you know it, personal foul flags were flying because the officials were allowing cheap chit to happen and it boiled over. I got my butt hauled into the AD's office the next Monday over it and I wasn't about to take an a-- chewing over it. I told the boss, point blank, that the officials let that game get out of hand, not me and or the staff.
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Post by insidethestripes on Oct 9, 2019 17:44:42 GMT -6
I agree, I saw the video from 2 or 3 different angles, one view it looks shoulder to shoulder, the other looks helmet to helmet. I assume because the official was right there he would have heard a helmet to helmet. Am I blind?
However, when we have good officials, the horse collars are called quickly and the kids stop trying to tackle like that. When they're not called, they continue all game long which increases the chance of an injury. We ran into that two weeks in a row. One set of officials called the first one and the opposing defense started tackling correctly. The next game, it wasn't called at all and the game started getting out of hand. Their kids were dragging us down by the collar so our kids started reciprocating. I'm not trying to defend poor officiating. I hate it when I see it, as much, if not more, than coaches. I take a lot of pride in my role in the game and demand an extremely high standard from the guys with whom I work. If guys don't know the rules or are ignoring rules related to player safety and are letting games get out of control, they don't belong on the field. Full stop. That said, in my experience, the two safety issues mentioned in this thread (illegal helmet contact/targeting and horse collar tackles) get coaches the most riled up and are also the most misunderstood rules in the game at all levels. I'll only speak for the levels that I work (middle school through D3 football), but the gulf between what officials are taught and what coaches seem to expect is rather large. Case in point, just last weekend, I got my ass chewed for most of the second half over these two plays: We were the worst crew ever and needed to step up and protect his players. He couldn't understand what we were looking at or why we were trying to get his player's hurt. I hope I never see you #$^%&# again. Etc. Etc. Etc. Would you have been screaming the same?
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Post by coachcb on Oct 10, 2019 10:48:47 GMT -6
However, when we have good officials, the horse collars are called quickly and the kids stop trying to tackle like that. When they're not called, they continue all game long which increases the chance of an injury. We ran into that two weeks in a row. One set of officials called the first one and the opposing defense started tackling correctly. The next game, it wasn't called at all and the game started getting out of hand. Their kids were dragging us down by the collar so our kids started reciprocating. Would you have been screaming the same?
Nope, I remain polite and courteous to the officials, even when they're completely incompetent or, in that one situation, flat out bigots. The staff and I had a heated discussion over proper sideline behavior this last week. They were furious over the poor officiating we saw and were frustrated with me because they didn't feel I was handling it.
I addressed the officials a half dozen times but they only saw it twice because I wasn't screaming and yelling. I was p-ssed as hell but I took a few deep breathes, calmed down and then talked to them away from the staff so chit didn't get more stirred up. They were also frustrated because I told them to knock it off on the sideline twice and I wasn't nice about it. I explained to them that I wasn't going to get booted from a game because they were hollering.
They calmed down significantly when I pointed out that calls started going our way after I discussed things with the officials and that the opposing sideline got two flags because they couldn't shut up.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 11, 2019 7:56:46 GMT -6
However, when we have good officials, the horse collars are called quickly and the kids stop trying to tackle like that. When they're not called, they continue all game long which increases the chance of an injury. We ran into that two weeks in a row. One set of officials called the first one and the opposing defense started tackling correctly. The next game, it wasn't called at all and the game started getting out of hand. Their kids were dragging us down by the collar so our kids started reciprocating. I'm not trying to defend poor officiating. I hate it when I see it, as much, if not more, than coaches. I take a lot of pride in my role in the game and demand an extremely high standard from the guys with whom I work. If guys don't know the rules or are ignoring rules related to player safety and are letting games get out of control, they don't belong on the field. Full stop. That said, in my experience, the two safety issues mentioned in this thread (illegal helmet contact/targeting and horse collar tackles) get coaches the most riled up and are also the most misunderstood rules in the game at all levels. I'll only speak for the levels that I work (middle school through D3 football), but the gulf between what officials are taught and what coaches seem to expect is rather large. Case in point, just last weekend, I got my ass chewed for most of the second half over these two plays: We were the worst crew ever and needed to step up and protect his players. He couldn't understand what we were looking at or why we were trying to get his player's hurt. I hope I never see you #$^%&# again. Etc. Etc. Etc. Would you have been screaming the same? Man would I love to see these. Our HC gets real fired up and says similar stuff.. Hope that's not us We actually had a staff Intervention conversation with him a couple of weeks ago because our kids were starting to feed off it and they were yelling at officials more than anyone. Player safety is important.. but the stripes are human.. stuff happens. Get over it
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