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Post by mncoach72 on Feb 15, 2006 9:16:15 GMT -6
Had a question for you guys. When you are installing plays in camp, do you put in an entire series first, or the base plays of the series you are going to run. We will run two series, belly and power/trap. Would it be better to put in Belly/Belly option and then Trap/power, or the belly sereis and then the power series?
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Post by tcm57 on Feb 15, 2006 13:54:45 GMT -6
SERIES
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Post by scox80 on Feb 15, 2006 14:08:58 GMT -6
Series...especially with wing t...they begin to undestand why
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Post by lochness on Feb 15, 2006 16:08:13 GMT -6
We install each of the base plays in our 4 series, then we build from there. The reason is that for us, a lot of the complimentary plays are run with the same blocking schemes.
For example, if we have a Belly Series, Lead Series, and Sweep Series...then we put the Belly, Lead, and Sweep in first. Then, we may add Belly Counter. That's good for the backs because the action is just like Belly. For the linemen, however, we are running a new scheme (counter). HOWEVER, if we then decide to put in Lead Counter or Sweep Counter, it's easy on everyone, because the backs know the base backfield action, and the OL knows the Counter scheme. It's all compartmentalized if you install things in the proper order.
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Post by lochness on Feb 15, 2006 16:12:30 GMT -6
Additional note:
I have found that nothing can substitute for a properly sequenced and very detailed installation schedule during your pre-season practices. If you can put things in and teach them in the correct sequence, you can pretty much install anything you want during the season as you need it!
It's all about having the flexible system and teaching the stuff in the proper order.
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Post by runtheball86 on Feb 15, 2006 16:53:14 GMT -6
Series is important for player understanding of the overall offense.
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Post by tcm57 on Feb 15, 2006 17:30:09 GMT -6
“Assignment conflict” or “defensive conflict” is the key to the success of the wing-t offense. When setting up the game plan, we look at defenders and their responsibilities in the defense and attempt to put each of the defenders in an assignment conflict. Regardless of the reaction by a defender, the wing-t has a play within the system that takes advantage of that reaction. Each reaction offers the opportunity for a new play, and the entire package accounts for every
defensive reaction possible. The wing-t presents a systematic method for play calling, coupling a run-pass balance with formation integrity.
This is accomplished by the execution of a relatively few basic plays within each series, which all have a counter, pass or an option to compliment them. The use of several formations multiplies the problem for the defense with no change of assignments to our players.
The two key elements of the wing-t philosophy are as follows:
#1: If we put in a play, we must have the necessary companion play to go with it.
#2: Be able to run each of those plays to both the strong and weak side of the formation.
When we install (by SERIES), we're not only teaching the complimentary plays for that particular series, but also getting the players to see the big picture and learn what we're trying to accomplish as an offensive system as well.
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Post by redandwhite on Feb 15, 2006 17:56:51 GMT -6
We are not Wing-T, but rather primarily One-Back and Spread. We want to give the appearance of being very complex, while keeping things simple for our players. We have broken our run game into 5 concepts - inside zone, outside zone, trap, draw and speed option. Our installation plan (and I agree you should develop a clear installation plan no matter what method you decide on) is to install run concepts together. We feel that this is best for us in our situation because it allows us to increase the number of reps that our linemen get on each play concept. Formations and backfield actions change, but our linemen are doing the same thing. We believe it is easier for our backs and receivers to adjust to change in these areas than for linemen to adjust to new blocking schemes before having a sufficient number of reps. Don't accuse me of assuming "dumb linemen." I coach the big guys. As I said before, it boils down to how you feel comfortable installing your offense and deciding what works best in your particular situation.
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Post by dial51 on Feb 15, 2006 19:52:00 GMT -6
Our installation is based upon series first. The first concern for the coaches is the blocking scheme. The QB, backs, and Wideouts are important in the run game, but the line must have a clear understanding of what we are attempting to accomplish.
We have 10 different run series in our playbook(we only use about 5-6 a year), but only 5 blocking schemes. Our primary blocking schemes are Down, Base on Line, and Reach. We will also use the Zone and Draw schemes depending upon personnel.
When we install this fall, Everything we do will be with the thought of what is best for our OL. That is why we will install by series. No matter what style of offense you may run, it all starts up front.
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Post by scox80 on Feb 15, 2006 20:23:57 GMT -6
TCM....that is exactly my thoughts!
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 16, 2006 8:47:42 GMT -6
I like to teach it by blocking schemes...ie, we block our powers, counters the same way...so the oline gets to really master how we open our 4 and 5 holes against several fronts and stunts and couldnt care less that the backs are learning powers and a variety of backfield actions for our counters.
from there, we move on to traps...that is the entire GOOD/GOD system for us, so by the time the we finish teaching traps, counter traps, counters and powers, thats holes 0-7 for us...then we move to sweeps, g schemes, iso, gut and then finally we teach a series, the sprint sweep (fly sweep) series.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 16, 2006 9:34:28 GMT -6
Series and TCM already said why!
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Post by champyun on Feb 16, 2006 9:51:31 GMT -6
I like to teach it by blocking schemes...ie, we block our powers, counters the same way...so the oline gets to really master how we open our 4 and 5 holes against several fronts and stunts and couldnt care less that the backs are learning powers and a variety of backfield actions for our counters. from there, we move on to traps...that is the entire GOOD/GOD system for us, so by the time the we finish teaching traps, counter traps, counters and powers, thats holes 0-7 for us...then we move to sweeps, g schemes, iso, gut and then finally we teach a series, the sprint sweep (fly sweep) series. Couldn't have said it better coachcalande. I like a man that thinks "up front" before "in the back". |
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Post by lochness on Feb 16, 2006 9:54:09 GMT -6
Our system allows us the best of both worlds, we believe. We have a normal progression for the backfield, but it also makes sense (progression-wise) for the OL.
It took us a long time to come up with a "curriculum(sp?)" that is best for the backs AND the linemen, but we have found it and we are sticking with it!
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