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Post by blb on Jan 18, 2024 12:43:42 GMT -6
I can see this scene happening in the Colorado locker room (Definitely NOT safe for work). "North Dallas Forty." Good book, good movie. In the latter John Matuszak, Mac Davis, Nick Nolte, Charles Durning among others. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 18, 2024 12:51:01 GMT -6
I can see this scene happening in the Colorado locker room (Definitely NOT safe for work). THAT would be an improvement to what they have right now. Buncha pretty boy posers showing up for the spotlight that only want to play if they can be the heroes. When i got away from football about a decade ago, the gripe was "(soft) basketball players playing football". I had no idea it would turn into this fairy nonsense of what amounts to drag queen divas that want to be pop stars more than they want to score touchdowns. Cant just play the freaking game in the NIL era, ya have to be the darling of all media with the highest chip n dip profits on your influencer web page |
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Post by brophy on Jan 18, 2024 13:09:16 GMT -6
THIS rant probably is directed at Colorado, specifically because I cant readily think of a personality or program that doesnt get this basic fact.
LEADING is about serving. You willingly take on the responsibility to look after and pull people together to accomplish something. It can never be about setting up a system to glorify YOU.
That goes for and especially the QUARTERBACK position. Its not about being the best athlete on the team or best thrower, you have to be mature and responsible enough to put the team on your back and lead them showing you have their best interest at heart.
The real challenge CU has is that the headers ego is actively undermining anyone from stepping up. Even at JSU, it was about nurturing star struck sychophants to cover for him. Sanders is still chasing personal adulation. Any competition to that spotlight (outside his kids) will be challenged by Coach Sanders. He's far too territorial over the spotlight because he's guarding it for his sons (why he doesnt speak up when Shedeur acts like a clown). Can you imagine what would happen if the starting MLB got in Shedeurs face and told him to step it up? Guess whats going to happen when one of those position groups attempts to impose a fine on one of the golden boys? They havent even paid the parking tickets on their Rolls Royces
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Post by CoachK on Jan 18, 2024 13:56:57 GMT -6
If anybody in here knows how to tell a 19-20 year old boy not to go to Paris and hang out with supermodels for a few days please let me know your secrets. Hell, I'd ask to tag along. Deion has some stuff to figure out, but letting his kids go do something cool in lieu of what is essentially syllabus day for football doesn't move the needle for me. Neither does asking why his QB doesn't have perfect NFL footwork/timing yet a) at a level where almost nobody does, including the top 2 picks in the upcoming draft and b) in a system that doesn't ask for or require it. NIL changed everything. You play the game or you retire. I'm sticking to JUCO/D2/NAIA because of it. But let them have their fun. It's not life or death.
This may be a very unpopular opinion but "back in my day" BS is why the sport is dying at the HS level. It's not concussions. This is supposed to be a fun thing for kids to do that teaches them a few life lessons along the way. We're not at Coronado Island. I'm at a JUCO so you better believe I get the absolute best excuses and requests to miss you've ever heard. I say no to almost all of them. Part of that relationship with the kid is letting them enjoy the cool stuff. They spend all summer doing your gassers, let them enjoy the 15 minutes.
If it effects the on-field product then I agree it's gone too far. If you're on top of it every day, it won't. IMO. Colorado could just be bad because they're bad anyway. Outside of Hunter and the two Sanders kids I couldn't tell you who the 4th best player on that team is.
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2024 17:39:03 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. really? if my college "coach"allowed this, we would have all hated those guys and with today's rules left in a heartbeat because the "hc" has zero integrity |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2024 18:21:35 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. really? if my college "coach"allowed this, we would have all hated those guys and with today's rules left in a heartbeat because the "hc" has zero integrity Yes really? Again, if you tell me that Sanders excused these two players (his sons) and told other players "No way, your butt better be in the seat 5 minutes early" then I would say that's pretty screwed up. I haven't heard that was the case. They didn't miss a work out, they didn't miss a practice. AS was stated earlier, they had an opportunity to do something pretty unique and they did it. Keep in mind, your college days are 100% irrelevant coach. In the present day, 5 of the last 7 Heisman Trophy winners were transfers. It is a different time man. I am not going to prejudge and crap on a guy because he is steering INTO trends that ran Saban out. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 18, 2024 18:42:51 GMT -6
. It is a different time man. Again, thank you for taking the time to express the other side in all this. You're likely right here. The NIL era has changed the game irrevocably and with it HS and youth football. * COACHING IS ABOUT CONTROL * Is dead. Welcome the new DO WHATCHA WANNA team dynamic. Attract athletes to your 18 month slumber party at Neverland Island is the recipe to just win some durn games. I'm not attempting to be facetious or smug here. If I've been paying attention thats just frankly where we are. CU is nuveau coaching that we should be paying attention to. Whenever the dinosaurs bring up the tenets of how it used to be done, we're educated the kids need their space to express and feel comfortable. The coach needn't take things that seriously because if the kids are happy everything will work out eventually. So WHAT should a head coach be doing in this climate? How can we learn to be better and adapt to this new executive leadership paradigm? Not intending to be hyperbolic. It sounds like our only goal is to turn and burn the roster 1.5 seasons like a JUCO because thats just how it be |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2024 18:53:16 GMT -6
. It is a different time man. Again, thank you for taking the time to express the other side in all this. You're likely right here. The NIL era has changed the game irrevocably and with it HS and youth football. * COACHING IS ABOUT CONTROL * Is dead. Welcome the new DO WHATCHA WANNA team dynamic. Attract athletes to your 18 month slumber party at Neverland Island is the recipe to just win some durn games. I'm not attempting to be facetious or smug here. If I've been paying attention thats just frankly where we are. CU is nuveau coaching that we should be paying attention to. Whenever the dinosaurs bring up the tenets of how it used to be done, we're educated the kids need their space to express and feel comfortable. The coach needn't take things that seriously because if the kids are happy everything will work out eventually. So WHAT should a head coach be doing in this climate? How can we learn to be better and adapt to this new executive leadership paradigm? Not intending to be hyperbolic. It sounds like our only goal is to turn and burn the roster 1.5 seasons like a JUCO because thats just how it be Well, look at UW. 10 days ago they were competing for the National Championship. In the 10 days since they have been completely gutted. 19 players have transferred out. Over 4,500 of receiving or rushing offense has declared early for the draft. Their HC left. It is just monumentally different. Why is everyone jumping all over a coach who is saying "eh, this school has been pretty bad for a pretty long time. Lets try something different" |
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 19:02:55 GMT -6
Again, thank you for taking the time to express the other side in all this. You're likely right here. The NIL era has changed the game irrevocably and with it HS and youth football. * COACHING IS ABOUT CONTROL * Is dead. Welcome the new DO WHATCHA WANNA team dynamic. Attract athletes to your 18 month slumber party at Neverland Island is the recipe to just win some durn games. I'm not attempting to be facetious or smug here. If I've been paying attention thats just frankly where we are. CU is nuveau coaching that we should be paying attention to. Whenever the dinosaurs bring up the tenets of how it used to be done, we're educated the kids need their space to express and feel comfortable. The coach needn't take things that seriously because if the kids are happy everything will work out eventually. So WHAT should a head coach be doing in this climate? How can we learn to be better and adapt to this new executive leadership paradigm? Not intending to be hyperbolic. It sounds like our only goal is to turn and burn the roster 1.5 seasons like a JUCO because thats just how it be Well, look at UW. 10 days ago they were competing for the National Championship. In the 10 days since they have been completely gutted. 19 players have transferred out. Over 4,500 of receiving or rushing offense has declared early for the draft. Their HC left. It is just monumentally different. Why is everyone jumping all over a coach who is saying "eh, this school has been pretty bad for a pretty long time. Lets try something different" Their head coach left for another program. The head coach left to be the HC at one of the premier programs in the nation. Those are not the same things |
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2024 19:20:39 GMT -6
really? if my college "coach"allowed this, we would have all hated those guys and with today's rules left in a heartbeat because the "hc" has zero integrity Yes really? Again, if you tell me that Sanders excused these two players (his sons) and told other players "No way, your butt better be in the seat 5 minutes early" then I would say that's pretty screwed up. I haven't heard that was the case. They didn't miss a work out, they didn't miss a practice. AS was stated earlier, they had an opportunity to do something pretty unique and they did it. Keep in mind, your college days are 100% irrelevant coach. In the present day, 5 of the last 7 Heisman Trophy winners were transfers. It is a different time man. I am not going to prejudge and crap on a guy because he is steering INTO trends that ran Saban out. integrity means stuff even now |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 18, 2024 19:56:51 GMT -6
Well, look at UW. 10 days ago they were competing for the National Championship. In the 10 days since they have been completely gutted. 19 players have transferred out. Over 4,500 of receiving or rushing offense has declared early for the draft. Their HC left. It is just monumentally different. Why is everyone jumping all over a coach who is saying "eh, this school has been pretty bad for a pretty long time. Lets try something different" Their head coach left for another program. The head coach left to be the HC at one of the premier programs in the nation. Those are not the same things I don't follow. What are "not the same things". I was using UW as just one recent example of the the changes that have taken place in college football. Never in the history of college football has a team played for a CFP national championship- then seen their coach leave for another school. Did that ever happen in the days of the BCS or Bowl Coalition? When was the last time you saw a team play for a National Championship, and then have 19 players transfer out? 2024 is a vastly different environment for college football than just 2019. |
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Post by CS on Jan 19, 2024 5:11:37 GMT -6
Their head coach left for another program. The head coach left to be the HC at one of the premier programs in the nation. Those are not the same things I don't follow. What are "not the same things". I was using UW as just one recent example of the the changes that have taken place in college football. Never in the history of college football has a team played for a CFP national championship- then seen their coach leave for another school. Did that ever happen in the days of the BCS or Bowl Coalition? When was the last time you saw a team play for a National Championship, and then have 19 players transfer out? 2024 is a vastly different environment for college football than just 2019. I don’t disagree with the fact that college football is vastly different right now but the argument has been used to defend prime for not necessarily being the POS that many on this board feel he is. I know nothing about him so don’t include me in that group. You using UW as an example implies that you are comparing the 2 situations and it’s just not the same. I also don’t understand why you care about the coach leaving UW for a blue blood program when the argument is whether or not prime is a pos and all the players and coaches hate him? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2024 5:42:53 GMT -6
I don't follow. What are "not the same things". I was using UW as just one recent example of the the changes that have taken place in college football. Never in the history of college football has a team played for a CFP national championship- then seen their coach leave for another school. Did that ever happen in the days of the BCS or Bowl Coalition? When was the last time you saw a team play for a National Championship, and then have 19 players transfer out? 2024 is a vastly different environment for college football than just 2019. I don’t disagree with the fact that college football is vastly different right now but the argument has been used to defend prime for not necessarily being the POS that many on this board feel he is. I know nothing about him so don’t include me in that group. You using UW as an example implies that you are comparing the 2 situations and it’s just not the same. I also don’t understand why you care about the coach leaving UW for a blue blood program when the argument is whether or not prime is a pos and all the players and coaches hate him? I don’t feel that the arguments saying “CFB is different- Sanders is doing things differently, I will wait and see before criticizing the actions” is addressing how others feel about his character. I actually only get the vibe that one or two have those deep feelings towards his character- the others are simply criticizing his public coaching decisions because they are not what one might define as traditional. I will say I am not trying to argue against someone’s judgment of his character I am neithet a supporter nor detractor of Sanders. I just want things to be honestly portrayed. The most recent event ( fashion show attendance by players) is being portrayed by some here as “oh my god Sanders let his two sons skip the introductory team meeting but forced everyone else to attend under penalty of punishment or dismissal regardless of their individual situation”. Heck one poster went as far as to suggest that Sanders purposely scheduled the meeting on that day specifically to demonstrate to the team that his two sons were better than the team and would be treated as such. I just don’t see things like that at this time |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 19, 2024 8:58:06 GMT -6
Heck one poster went as far as to suggest that Sanders purposely scheduled the meeting on that day specifically to demonstrate to the team that his two sons were better than the team and would be treated as such. I just don’t see things like that at this time For clarity's sake, I suggested that as a *possibility*, I wasn't making a hard statement that that is why he did it: This fashion show thing makes one wonder when the team meeting date was set, and when Shadeur and Shilo knew they wanted to go to that fashion show, and if perhaps Prime set this whole thing up with the meeting being during the fashion show so he could send a statement to the team that they are going to receive preferential treatment. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2024 15:38:24 GMT -6
I'm not going to talk about Sanders's character because I don't know him. I've never been a fan of the wholesale roster rebuild but, as has been said, it's a different world now.
This fashion show thing seems to me like it could go sideways fast and badly. You're already walking a fine line when you're the father of two players now you MAY have to deal with accusations of preferential treatment. If they don't start the season well exerting leadership MAY be a problem.
Rationally maybe the show was too great of an opportunity to pass up and and maybe missing the meeting is no big deal. Locker rooms aren't always rational though.
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2024 15:54:22 GMT -6
Can anyone think of another P5 program that would allow two players - HC's sons or not - to miss Initial Team Meeting to do a Fashion Show?
Or for any reasons besides illness or family emergency?
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Post by silkyice on Jan 19, 2024 16:02:54 GMT -6
Can anyone think of another P5 program that would allow two players - HC's sons or not - to miss Initial Team Meeting to do a Fashion Show? Or for any reasons besides illness or family emergency? Jimmy Johnson at the U back in the day? Not saying he would, but he always treated players based on their performance. |
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2024 17:42:19 GMT -6
Can anyone think of another P5 program that would allow two players - HC's sons or not - to miss Initial Team Meeting to do a Fashion Show? Or for any reasons besides illness or family emergency? Jimmy Johnson at the U back in the day? Not saying he would, but he always treated players based on their performance. Yes, maybe, but I have Johnson's autobiography Turning The Thing Around and he doesn't mention doing anything at The U remotely like what Sanders did with his two sons-team. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2024 18:38:57 GMT -6
Can anyone think of another P5 program that would allow two players - HC's sons or not - to miss Initial Team Meeting to do a Fashion Show? Or for any reasons besides illness or family emergency? In 2024??? I bet the answer would be almost everyone. “ Hey coach, i’ve got a chance to be involved in an international fashion show with top-of-the-line designers… and get paid while increasing my visibility and name recognition”. Almost all of them. Had Joe Burrow been an underclassmen when LSU won the national title in 2019, and the rules were the same as they are today regarding Name, Image, Likeness compensation I can assure you that if given the opportunity, whoever his coach was would have let him attend.  Lots seems to be being made over the fact that it was his two sons. I have to ask, who the heck else is going? Louis Vuitton, Paris, Fashion show, networking with moguls. .. that encompasses a certain glitz and glamour element and name recognition. And more importantly, I will ask for the 3rd or 4th time, were other players denied a similar professional opportunity and told they had to attend the meeting? |
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Post by brophy on Jan 19, 2024 20:06:03 GMT -6
As usual, i had a whole lotta word reply attempting to articulate the dynamics at play here...but it doesnt matter. There simply is no limit to what we can justify doing when its done by the princes of the program. The issue was the decision making from the executive for the Enterprise (program). Talk big, but your kids run roughshod without accountability almost to the point to make you question if they're doing it on purpose. Isnt that the behavior you get from kids that you never hold accountable? Whenever they do something questionable, a justification or excuse is presented to make it alright?
So, go ahead, defy all rational standards. This movie ends the same way every time.
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Post by tog on Jan 19, 2024 20:10:16 GMT -6
anyone that thinks how "coach" prime treated his players at cu with any integrity, lol
even though the tines have changed,, so what? integrity matters
he has none
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 10:07:40 GMT -6
For clarity's sake, I suggested that as a *possibility*, I wasn't making a hard statement that that is why he did it: This fashion show thing makes one wonder when the team meeting date was set, and when Shadeur and Shilo knew they wanted to go to that fashion show, and if perhaps Prime set this whole thing up with the meeting being during the fashion show so he could send a statement to the team that they are going to receive preferential treatment. My point through all of this has been "why?" Why make such a suggestion? Why does that even pop into ones head? Seriously? How does one get to the point where they think : "Hmm, music and fashion mogul Pharell has contacted two of my players who have some name branding already established to go be in the 2024 Paris Fashion Week show and represent Louis Vuitton- a company whose owner is worth roughly 180 BILLION dollars (enough to theoretically purchase all 32 NFL franchises with plenty to spare). The current landscape of college football is dominated by the ability to capitalize on providing players with opportunities to leverage their names, images, and likenesses. Paris Fashion week coincides with the start of the Spring Semester, which is when I (and every other Div 1 college football team in the country) will hold a team meeting, so the players can either take advantage of the opportunity, or they can come sit in the team meeting room and listen to talk. Is less likely than : "hmm, I am going to call a team meeting when my sons are in Paris just so that I can demonstrate right off the bat to the other players (necessary for my and my sons success) that I plan on treating my sons better than them" I don't understand how that even crosses an objective mind. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 20, 2024 10:27:28 GMT -6
To play Devils Advocate because I wasnt the one suggesting the motive, but there isnt much in the way of "objective thinking" going on as it pertains to Coach Sanders....and that is the point of the last half of this thread/topic.
By all rights, the man is a megolmaniac. Most DI college football coaches don't intentionally rebrand traditional universities to their personal avatar. Most above board coaches go out of their way to not be accused of nepotism, Sanders swings hard in the opposite direction.
He chooses to do all these unconventional at best, self-absorbed at worst (though consistent with his 40 year history) then turns around with a shocked, "why is everyone against poor little old me?"
Its cute that Shilo & Shedeur just happen to be sought after entertainment commodities, according to Coach Sanders. HE is the one that has been pushing that very thing from the beginning. The CU grift was the epitome of that ploy.
Now, can you blame a father for wanting his children to have an easier adult life having personally seen what life is about? All athletes are trying to get into some entertainment grift for the easy life, it makes sense. Its when the sport is used as a disposable vehicle for you to {censored} yourself out for KFC and Google endorsements that it gets offensive. You don't really want to make an impact or compete in the sport as much as you want to be a celebrity. THAT is what is at odds with the game of football. That is what most are offended by at the core of it. Deion Sanders propensity since the 90s has been about selling out for the cheapest endorsement, so its not like we don't have a track record to 'judge' his motivations by, particularly when his "coaching decisions" leave so much to doubt.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 10:29:24 GMT -6
To play Devils Advocate because I wasnt the one suggesting the motive, but there isnt much in the way of "objective thinking" going on as it pertains to Coach Sanders....and that is the point of the last half of this thread/topic. By all rights, the man is a megolmaniac. Most DI college foot all coaches intentionally rebrand traditional universities to their personal avatar. Most above board coaches go out of their way to not be accused of nepotism, Sanders swings hard in the opposite direction. He chooses to do all these unconventional at best, self-absorbed at worst (though consistent with his 40 year history) then turns around with a shocked, "why is everyone against poor little old me?" I don't disagree with this, other than the speculation on the objective and the nepotism charge. I don't think very many Div 1 coaches have children talented enough to get into that discussion as players. How many coaches have been in that situation to make a valid claim? SO lets look at where they CAN indulge in nepotistic acts. Ehem. Looking at you Kirk Ferentz. And, remind me again, which two coaches were just retained by the Patriots? Where did Terry Bowden get his career started? How about Tommy? I am certain the Ryan brothers were beneficiaries of their lineage. Moving up in the coaching world WITHOUT the benefit of family relations is almost the exception. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 20, 2024 11:50:55 GMT -6
Nepotism as players or as coaches. If your dad can insert you into a 6-figure coaching gig, something could be said about that. However, COACHING is a lot different than PLAYING.
The Tricket and Hawkins HC/QB in recent memory (where it really matters is the QB position, I imagine). I remember Tricket at FSU getting a lot more scrutiny from the coaching staff than if it were just another kid. Hawkins was a take or leave situation from I recall. It wasn't like there were many options on that roster. Its one thing to have a kid starting....it another thing to have whats going on in Colorado. They are purposely making this the Deion, Shedeur and Shilo Show (guest appearances by'first cousin' Travis Hunter). They are all extensions of Deion, personally. As much lip service as they claim to be independent, they aren't by design.
COACHING...one of the most important things you want on staff is loyalty, so I can see where that helps. Particularly if they know how you operate, your attitude and are connected (by family).
Another thing, "coaching" is actual work (when its done right). Its a particularly thankless endeavor in the scope of "jobs". One would almost think pushing your kids into another vocation would be better than relegating them to a life in the chaos of coaching as a profession.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 17:27:41 GMT -6
Yes really? Again, if you tell me that Sanders excused these two players (his sons) and told other players "No way, your butt better be in the seat 5 minutes early" then I would say that's pretty screwed up. I haven't heard that was the case. They didn't miss a work out, they didn't miss a practice. AS was stated earlier, they had an opportunity to do something pretty unique and they did it. Keep in mind, your college days are 100% irrelevant coach. In the present day, 5 of the last 7 Heisman Trophy winners were transfers. It is a different time man. I am not going to prejudge and crap on a guy because he is steering INTO trends that ran Saban out. integrity means stuff even now Coach, did integrity mean stuff "back then" when coaches such as Royal, Bryant etc. worked to keep their programs and other programs from being integrated until it became painfully obvious that it would benefit them? Or is that not considered the same? |
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Post by tog on Jan 20, 2024 17:37:42 GMT -6
integrity means stuff even now Coach, did integrity mean stuff "back then" when coaches such as Royal, Bryant etc. worked to keep their programs and other programs from being integrated until it became painfully obvious that it would benefit them? Or is that not considered the same? royal was a racist ahole I have friends dad's that played for him I don't know what this stuff has to do with integrity or "prime" |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 18:02:51 GMT -6
Coach, did integrity mean stuff "back then" when coaches such as Royal, Bryant etc. worked to keep their programs and other programs from being integrated until it became painfully obvious that it would benefit them? Or is that not considered the same? royal was a racist ahole I have friends dad's that played for him I don't know what this stuff has to do with integrity or "prime" I was simply pointing out that if wanted to start attacking the character of individuals, and saying that integrity means stuff, I am pretty sure that several if not many on the "Mount Rushmore" of college football coaching might have been a part of actions more questionable than excusing players (who happen to be sons) from a mid year introductory team meeting to attend a business opportunity given the current emphasis on personal branding in college athletics. I get that you have issues with Prime Prep. From what I have read on the subject, Sander's biggest blunder was lending his name to something he really had no clue about (somewhat similar to Lebron James and the school he sponsored's dismal academic performance). I am sure he was overzealous regarding pursuing athletic achievements- but that doesn't seem terribly unique. What was unique was his fame. |
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Post by tog on Jan 20, 2024 18:30:16 GMT -6
royal was a racist ahole I have friends dad's that played for him I don't know what this stuff has to do with integrity or "prime" I was simply pointing out that if wanted to start attacking the character of individuals, and saying that integrity means stuff, I am pretty sure that several if not many on the "Mount Rushmore" of college football coaching might have been a part of actions more questionable than excusing players (who happen to be sons) from a mid year introductory team meeting to attend a business opportunity given the current emphasis on personal branding in college athletics. I get that you have issues with Prime Prep. From what I have read on the subject, Sander's biggest blunder was lending his name to something he really had no clue about (somewhat similar to Lebron James and the school he sponsored's dismal academic performance). I am sure he was overzealous regarding pursuing athletic achievements- but that doesn't seem terribly unique. What was unique was his fame. when you have moms and kids tell you about how he did them and their education yeah I have a problem with him the way he did colorado players? just an extension of the same thing, the only thing he cares about is himself low integrity imho |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2024 18:49:21 GMT -6
I was simply pointing out that if wanted to start attacking the character of individuals, and saying that integrity means stuff, I am pretty sure that several if not many on the "Mount Rushmore" of college football coaching might have been a part of actions more questionable than excusing players (who happen to be sons) from a mid year introductory team meeting to attend a business opportunity given the current emphasis on personal branding in college athletics. I get that you have issues with Prime Prep. From what I have read on the subject, Sander's biggest blunder was lending his name to something he really had no clue about (somewhat similar to Lebron James and the school he sponsored's dismal academic performance). I am sure he was overzealous regarding pursuing athletic achievements- but that doesn't seem terribly unique. What was unique was his fame. when you have moms and kids tell you about how he did them and their education yeah I have a problem with him the way he did colorado players? just an extension of the same thing, the only thing he cares about is himself low integrity imho I understand. Being an impartial party to this, the stories I have read, none of them point to Sanders as the reason, including some in depth exposes providing detailed month to month timelines. As I mentioned, from those reports, it seems that Sander's failure was attaching himself to a project that he didn't understand and therefore could not manage his name. I am betting the truth of the situation was more along the lines of Sanders convincing people to go to the school (which was being run into the ground) and then because of his wealth, its failing didn’t really impact him much. I am pretty sure Sanders was not the cause for its financial issues, its misreporting of enrollment data, or being removed from the federal school lunches program. And despite my posts on the subject, I am not really a Sanders fan, or really pulling for him to succeed. I just seem to tolerate his decisions and the potential reasons why I believe he might be doing things the way he is at CU than most here. |
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