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Post by larrymoe on Jan 2, 2024 17:06:57 GMT -6
If the question is whether Sanders' first year was a success I think that the fact that so far there are six pages talking about him and CU football says that it was. Before he got there nobody who wasn't an alum or lived there cared about CU football. Are his methods sustainable? Who knows? But isn't that the answer with every new coach? This thread is only 6 pages for 1 reason. |
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Post by tog on Jan 3, 2024 0:06:01 GMT -6
It is so curious to me that one of the most often referenced concepts on this message board is that a smart plan is to do something "different" when your program doesn't have all the best players. But what different apparently only means is "when you don't have the best players, you should run an offense that teams with all the best players 45-50 years ago ran". that still holds true being a low integrity {censored} like him? that is timeless as well |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 13:49:02 GMT -6
Lsu just had their entire defensive staff depart after a 10 win season... |
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Post by blb on Jan 3, 2024 14:10:06 GMT -6
Lsu just had their entire defensive staff depart after a 10 win season... Yes but it was Kelly's SECOND year as HC in Baton Rouge, not first like Sanders'. And LSU in SEC is a lot different than wherever Colorado is going to be from now on. |
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Post by blb on Jan 3, 2024 14:19:45 GMT -6
Lsu just had their entire defensive staff depart after a 10 win season... ...and Gene Chizik just got let go as DC at North Carolina after two seasons. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 14:39:37 GMT -6
Lsu just had their entire defensive staff depart after a 10 win season... Yes but it was Kelly's SECOND year as HC in Baton Rouge, not first like Sanders'. And LSU in SEC is a lot different than wherever Colorado is going to be from now on. Last year, they cut loose the Special Teams coordinator. Being in 2 years is even more of a concern isn't it? That Kelly couldn't recognize after one season the deficiencies in the guys he had hired? Deficiencies that could be argued cost LSU a legitimate shot at a 2023 CFP birth? Regardless I am not making a 1 to 1 comparison. I am simply pointing out that every program has commitments flip, every program has voluntary and involuntary staff turnover. Yet for some reason, when it has happened at CU this year, there is lots of pointing and "Look see! The sky is falling on CU!" I do not know how CU will fair going forward. What I DO KNOW is that power 5 college football is more like a professional football organization than it has ever been. Power 5 football players are more like professional football players than they have ever been before, and in some ways have even more desirable situations than NFL counterparts. I know that CU is not on the same level as OSU, LSU, BAMA, UM, UT, UGA, Oregon, Washington etc. People always say that when you aren't as good as other programs, do something "different". Isn't Sanders doing something different? Why must that different be limited to offensive scheme? |
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Post by silkyice on Jan 3, 2024 14:48:44 GMT -6
I know that CU is not on the same level as OSU, LSU, BAMA, UM, UT, UGA, Oregon, Washington etc. I think this is the first time ever that Washington has been thrown into that elite group on the internet. But they deserve it. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2024 15:37:13 GMT -6
People always say that when you aren't as good as other programs, do something "different". Different, as in force the opponent to operate at a different path. The "different" here looks to be abandoning common sense FUNDAMENTALS of success. Cherry picking everyone elses leftovers in the portal thinking its free agency isnt any sustaining method of any success. I'm sure the very unique situation in Boulder isnt difficult to find those in the know that can detail the dysfunction behind the scenes. Regardless of personal opinions, there are a number of things being done that are obstacles to building a program. Namely, imo, the header is such a magnanimous blowhard attention seeker any subordinate or player that stands up as a leader will be seen as competition for the spotlight from the Golden Whistle. This undercuts any call to execute a vision. Competition has been sold to the program as "make it personal", everyone not sucking us off is the enemy. Anyone getting in the way of us cashing checks is taking food out of our kids mouths. Successful programs build on the competition IN ME...how can I evolve to peak performance regardless of the quality of competition. The lack of forethought given to developing physical talent, namely linemen are a 4-5 year project. When linemen are treated as an afterthought, pawns needed to get the spotlight on a few specialists, who in their right mind would want to sacrifice for that? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 16:38:55 GMT -6
People always say that when you aren't as good as other programs, do something "different". Different, as in force the opponent to operate at a different path. The "different" here looks to be abandoning common sense FUNDAMENTALS of success. 52% of Fortune 500 companies in 2003 no longer exist today. Things change. Heck, to make a more apt football comparison, when Timmy Brewster and Charles Kelly were coming up, the "fundamentals" were get a big strong running back, hand him the ball 30 times a game behind a lead blocker, throw passes to score or keep the defense honest. Scholarship limit was 95, transfers were much less common and student athlete mobility was much more limited. The NCAA had only recently lost control of all television contracts, Notre Dame had just signed its first deal with NBC, the SEC had not yet left the CFA (TV media rights negotiating group) and negotiated its own rights with CBS. Now, is Sanders a natural leader? I can't speak to that- never have worked with him. Some that have worked with him say his work ethic is outstanding. I haven't really come across anyone that has a basis to do so dispute that. Sanders is obviously a disrupter. That doesn't go over well with some. Time will tell if the disruption yields results. The beauty of the situation, nobody has to go to CU. No HS student has to sign with CU. No current NCAA student has to transfer to CU. No coach or staff member has to go work at CU. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2024 18:33:05 GMT -6
Some that have worked with him say his work ethic is outstanding. i've heard the same. One of the most impressive endorsements here Work ethic is great, but doesn't necessarily translate to great teammate or leader. Same as being a phenomenal player doesn't make you a superior position coach, let alone coordinator. It can certainly ENHANCE the player's experience, but if YOU never had to communicate/teach it, it doesn't matter what you were taught. IMO the issue with a "deion" it appears all you have to do is WOO the decision maker (AD) and you're gifted a top spot, outside of a vetting process in an industry entrenched in grinding/paying your dues. This is nothing new, of course, with the recent trend to find younger, sexier faces of a program to lure in media and recruits. It brings up an age-old question of Huey board, 'why do you want to be a head coach'? Everyone "wants" the title, but are you willing / ready for that responsibility? What is that responsibility? Its a little insulting after something like that, to wave your grift in everyone's faces by wearing a costume as you LARP as a Football Coach, complete with trademarked shades, gold whistle, completely fresh sideline ensemble every weekend... we see this quite a bit on any disorganized youth program. Now include this while cajoling your local sports writer sychophants to worship your legend status and rebuke any serious football discussion. Whats to stop him? nothing, so I guess thats acceptable. Deion is a "disrupter" because he chooses to be. He has always been intentionally divisive to generate interest and drama. Fundamentals of winning football aren't philosophy, they're skills: blocking, tackling,effort,catching,hustle. Even outside the analogy, CU failed at those basic fundamentals even by season's end. ANY program can show improvement there, regardless of talent |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 3, 2024 19:49:29 GMT -6
i've heard the same. One of the most impressive endorsements here Work ethic is great, but doesn't necessarily translate to great teammate or leader. Same as being a phenomenal player doesn't make you a superior position coach, let alone coordinator. It can certainly ENHANCE the player's experience, but if YOU never had to communicate/teach it, it doesn't matter what you were taught. IMO the issue with a "deion" it appears all you have to do is WOO the decision maker (AD) and you're gifted a top spot, outside of a vetting process in an industry entrenched in grinding/paying your dues. This is nothing new, of course, with the recent trend to find younger, sexier faces of a program to lure in media and recruits. It brings up an age-old question of Huey board, 'why do you want to be a head coach'? Everyone "wants" the title, but are you willing / ready for that responsibility? What is that responsibility? Its a little insulting after something like that, to wave your grift in everyone's faces by wearing a costume as you LARP as a Football Coach, complete with trademarked shades, gold whistle, completely fresh sideline ensemble every weekend... we see this quite a bit on any disorganized youth program. Now include this while cajoling your local sports writer sychophants to worship your legend status and rebuke any serious football discussion. Whats to stop him? nothing, so I guess thats acceptable. Deion is a "disrupter" because he chooses to be. He has always been intentionally divisive to generate interest and drama. Fundamentals of winning football aren't philosophy, they're skills: blocking, tackling,effort,catching,hustle. Even outside the analogy, CU failed at those basic fundamentals even by season's end. ANY program can show improvement there, regardless of talent And CU failed at those basic fundamentals last year, at a HISTORIC LEVEL. Failed far greater than they did this year. And Michigan State FAILED at those basica fundamentals this year. And Purdue, Indiana, etc. Heck, Iowa failed on the offensive side of the ball, and apparently the AD had to step in because of the lack of leadership and put in place objective goals to replace the OC. LSU failed at those basic fundamentals this year on defense. So my question is, why is this a Deion thing? I get it, the Coach Prime persona (and Prime is very much a persona if you listen to people who have worked with him for a long time) is jarring. I can see why coaching lifers are concerned, because as you put it, others are not going to discern the actual coaching from the persona. But doesn't that hold true for other things? How many Bud Kilmer wannabees are out there? How many "hit some body" coaches are out there, thinking that the secret to coaching is having the kids "fired up" and then being a "creative play caller"? This has been common long before Sanders hit the sidelines. What I DON'T get is how so many on this board, a professional coaching message board (not a reddit hang out) are so quick to form opinions and make claims when they have zero knowledge of what is actually occurring. Isn't that akin to the dad in the stands that yelling "you gotta throw the ball" without having seen any practices, scouted the opposition, and failing to recognize you are up by 4 with 3 minutes left on the clock. Don't we mock that guy? |
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2024 20:21:30 GMT -6
i appreciate that response - great effort in distilling down to what matters.
The fundamentals thing isn't a "Deion thing". Those programs failing because they have poor fundamentals are dealing with the consequences of it. With Deion, the supporters dismiss these consequences because to critique PRIME is to be (insert tribal perjorative/dehumanized enemy).
Coach Wannabees have been around forever. Its harmless, its like being a rodeo clown. Except if this is your profession and you see that behavior / portrayal as a mockery of what/who you are. The same criticisms were had when there was that Youth Football television series a decade ago.
I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but as far as "have zero knowledge of what is actually occurring"... I, as well as many here, do have enough connections inside and around the program to have a whiff of whats going on behind the scenes, but more importantly for me, is what can be ascertained from the product on the field.
I get that programs lose and athletes can't compete against superior opponents. What I find wholly unacceptable from peewee to pros is lack of effort and hustle on the field, weak mental attitudes. That is a leadership thing. It is a Monday - Thursday thing. Friday night isn't an accident, it took a full week (year/season) to produce what happens after kickoff. If there are blown assignments, missed steps, bad reads...thats all coaching.
What I saw with CU this season was a defense that played without effort, hustle and was bad at tackling. I saw an inconsistent special teams group that looked to be an after thought. Most importantly, I saw a limited athlete gifted the most important position on the field to be a leader that didn't earn it....based on his execution week in and week out. That tells me the coaching leadership refused to demand more from the position....now THAT is something we see in peewee Daddy ball all the time
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 3, 2024 22:50:51 GMT -6
i appreciate that response - great effort in distilling down to what matters. The fundamentals thing isn't a "Deion thing". Those programs failing because they have poor fundamentals are dealing with the consequences of it. With Deion, the supporters dismiss these consequences because to critique PRIME is to be (insert tribal perjorative/dehumanized enemy). Coach Wannabees have been around forever. Its harmless, its like being a rodeo clown. Except if this is your profession and you see that behavior / portrayal as a mockery of what/who you are. The same criticisms were had when there was that Youth Football television series a decade ago. I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but as far as "have zero knowledge of what is actually occurring"... I, as well as many here, do have enough connections inside and around the program to have a whiff of whats going on behind the scenes, but more importantly for me, is what can be ascertained from the product on the field. I get that programs lose and athletes can't compete against superior opponents. What I find wholly unacceptable from peewee to pros is lack of effort and hustle on the field, weak mental attitudes. That is a leadership thing. It is a Monday - Thursday thing. Friday night isn't an accident, it took a full week (year/season) to produce what happens after kickoff. If there are blown assignments, missed steps, bad reads...thats all coaching. What I saw with CU this season was a defense that played without effort, hustle and was bad at tackling. I saw an inconsistent special teams group that looked to be an after thought. Most importantly, I saw a limited athlete gifted the most important position on the field to be a leader that didn't earn it....based on his execution week in and week out. That tells me the coaching leadership refused to demand more from the position....now THAT is something we see in peewee Daddy ball all the time On that last part in regards to Shadeur Sanders being a limited athlete, I don't know man, he looked pretty dang good at points throughout the year. Some of throws he made were incredible. I definitely think things started to fall apart down the stretch some, but probably important to remember he had a nearly non-existent OL. I think the classic "Brady/Manning couldn't succeed behind THAT kind of OL" is definitely relevant here... In what way did he not earn it? Do you think they had a QB on the roster that was capable of any better than what Shadeur did this year behind that OL? If not, why assume that Shaduer got the job only because of his dad being the HFC? I do think his leadership/the example he set was lacking, especially as the year went on... Where I think we should demand answers from Prime, is his utter and borderline negligent personnel mismanagement of Travis Hunter...We are looking at possibly one of the more talented players in at least the last 20-30 years. And Travis seems like overall a real nice dude...I get playing him the whole game vs TCU to try to get a win right out of the gate, make a statement, and start building momentum. But after that, I would have had him specialize on one side of the ball, they clearly needed him more on defense this year...And then use him in spot duty on the other side of the ball. I don't know if Hunter's injury vs CSU was due to wear and tear, especially that early in the season, that was just a tough hit, but if he was starting defense and spot duty on offense, he may never have been in that particular play, and overall, there's the principle of the more snaps you are in the game, the higher the probability of you getting injured is. What is borderline negligent, is letting him come back as early as he did against Stanford (IIRC?). He was clearly not ready to come back, especially after getting hit in the abdomen on the catch in the endzone...He struggled on defense that night when earlier in the season he was fine on defense even playing the whole game. If Hunter ends up not being the same, I will want to have words with Prime. Lol. Please do NOT ruin a generational talent, not only for Hunter's sake, but for those of his who appreciate talent like Hunter's... |
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2024 23:21:23 GMT -6
IMO there is a TONNNNNNNNNNNN of learning/discussion COACHING material available from CU this season. The sportfan loyalties be damned, there just is so much that is plainly apparent available during the broadcast, alone. Not to mention the nepotism family grift that has attached itself to CU (the eldest documenting everything for social media without any true editing forethought). This coach watched every CU game this year. I couldn't tell you why, but I did. I think everyone knew going in they were a liability so it was interesting to see how they would handle the first game. It was impressive. They tempo'd a tempo team to make a boat race to the half... genius move to cover your Game 1 liabilities. It was flash screens, shallows, inside zone and deep sideline shots - cheap yardage. It became PAINFULLY apparent by CSU (and clearly CSU was confident in what their game plan intended to expose) that it wasn't the receivers, Oline, OC or backs that was the issue.....kill the head (QB) and everything falls apart. This was apparent in the last game when #2 was replaced, you had Staub looking like a robot....very methodical in his gives, fakes, firing the ball off his gather step. Efficient decision-maker that executed consistently. I would challenge anyone lauding #2 as a quarterback, let alone an NFL prospect, just cut up all the BROADCAST footage of his PASS ATTEMPTS. How many of those attempts was he >ready< to deliver the ball on his plant step (going into the hitch & gather)? Now its time to plug some Darin Slack R4/C4. Watch what happens on every Shedeur drop (the footwork is ridiculously sloppy), he isn't even thinking of a throw until he hits the gather step and he's just looking for an OPEN receiver at that point. Its TOO LATE. The clock/bomb has ticked down to zero and that is why the "oline is terrible". He should have #1 & #2 read figured out by the time he gets to the plant step. Move on to #3 as he gathers (watch the spread of his feet when he does throw) and or reposition....dump off. That isn't what he does. Shedeur gets to the depth of the drop and just freaks out, bails, runs around...can't find the OPEN receiver and just takes the sack. Of those PASS ATTEMPT cutups, now look at his THROWS - count how many throws you have. Now, how many of those throws were +10 yds and between the numbers (dig, levels, post, etc)?  He never attempted those throws unless there was a broken coverage where the receiver was WIDE OPEN. One could make the argument that that's just "today's game". Thats what NFL Qbs are nowadays...they don't have to make accurate throws in the heart of the defense, they just have to work high percentage slop (quick screen/shallows) So this should force the coach in you to ask WHY? Why is this QB only throwing shallow cross, quick screen and the sideline deep ball (not even drop outs)? He had all but given up even throwing stick / spot after CSU. To ME, that tells me he has zero confidence in his ability to throw the ball accurately (velocity, trajectory, accuracy). Shedeur is looking (wide) OPEN receivers not throwing receivers open. He can't do this because he doesn't understand the defense vs the concept he's running. This says he's unwillingly to learn and/or is so used to a simplified 2-route read (curl/flat) that he has retarded his development as a thrower. I haven't watched the NFL in a while, are there teams clammoring for dough boy mid-athletes,that take sacks and can only throw under 8 yards? He was probably a great HBCU quarterback. He has been exposed as a fraud at the DI level. To me, AS A COACH, this stuff is just academic from what you see on the broadcast.Heaven help us if we knew what their film room looked like ;D As far as how Deion treats the specialists - he treats them all like they've already arrived in a MAN'S GAME without a care for their physical maturity. The product as-is is as good as its going to get, no time to think about being better tomorrow. Thats how a natural athlete probably thinks, but that isn't reality for 99.999% of athletes. Every single player on the CU roster could stand to fall on a few needles several times. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2024 23:34:26 GMT -6
, why assume that Shaduer got the job only because of his dad being the HFC? Deion said as much when he got there (#2 is off limits, that jersey number/position is filled) and in this off-season recruiting ("we're looking for every position other than #21, #2, and #12"). From a discussion standpoint, the Deion situation gets muddied into the Chaos landscape of "pro" football in the NCAA and NFL environment. I can only speak to a football aspect, and probably not all that intelligently at that. I mention this because you'll see a lot of hamfisted arguments intentional or otherwise where we make concessions or justifications outside of football because "oh, well.....thats how it is in the NIL world and transfer era, blah blah". Maybe so, but pursuing the evolution of perfection is what this game reveals. Now in the last 15 years this game has become just a means to an end. Something every wants to get their turn at to get "theirs" and move on (coaches and players alike) |
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Post by brophy on Jan 17, 2024 18:10:55 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 18:38:36 GMT -6
Brophy-- got to be honest here, I don't see the issue. He had two players who missed a meeting because they had another opportunity for themselves. Were any other players given an ultimatum to choose between a different professional/personal opportunity and a team meeting but these two were not?
As far as the timestamped suggestion...advising the players to set up a system of peer to peer accountability? Is that a horrible thing?
Time will tell if any of it works out. I just think it is important to recognize this isn't Darryl Royal's, or Paul Bryant's or Tom Osborne's or Woody Hayes, or Bo schembechler, or Jimmy Johnson, or Bob Stoops or even Nick Saban's college football.
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Post by tog on Jan 17, 2024 20:38:42 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 21:05:44 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 17, 2024 21:20:44 GMT -6
Brophy-- got to be honest here, I don't see the issue. He had two players who missed a meeting because they had another opportunity for themselves. Fair enough. Maybe you're right that this team meeting is inconsequential. How far would you be willing to go to continue making excuses? 1st team meeting, starting "new season" after a losing season The header called the meeting that specific day to set the tone of leadership, buy in, and accountability. **** nah, imma skip it Doesnt exactly show a whole lotta loyalty to your teammates, let alone being the daddy-installed leaders of the team. Sets the tone that that there are rules for some and not for the chosen ones. Thats the opposite fundamental of building a unified program. Nothing wrong with peer leadership and accountability, but he's specifically encouraging a punitive based motivation, gifting unearned power of authority to upper classmen, that he's going to be hands off about. This is How To Develop A Hazing Program 101. It stuff like this that makes it obvious he's making this up as he goes along. ** play that WoM video from the start and listen to Deion tell his staff about the OC and DC he's working on but the sticking point is that he's not letting them bring any of their own staff |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 21:43:07 GMT -6
Brophy-- got to be honest here, I don't see the issue. He had two players who missed a meeting because they had another opportunity for themselves. Fair enough. Maybe you're right that this team meeting is inconsequential. How far would you be willing to go to continue making excuses? 1st team meeting, starting "new season" after a losing season The header called the meeting that specific day to set the tone of leadership, buy in, and accountability. **** nah, imma skip it Doesnt exactly show a whole lotta loyalty to your teammates, let alone being the daddy-installed leaders of the team. Sets the tone that that there are rules for some and not for the chosen ones. Thats the opposite fundamental of building a unified program. Again, are you saying you know of other players who had other opportunities and were told "You have to come to the meeting or there will be consequences...but my kids don't?" |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 17, 2024 21:50:56 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. I don't want to speak for tog, but I think why he finds it to be disgusting, is because Shadeur and Shilo are being allowed to skip a team meeting for this and he suspects that were a walk-on from the team to request this, there's a good chance they would not be allowed to miss the meeting. I have been all about some Coach Prime and Colorado since pretty much the day it was announced he was going to Colorado, but even I am starting to have some doubts. It's starting to look like a total clown show, unfortunately. And that sucks, because I was really looking forward to him tearing it up after that first week against TCU (crappy defense aside lol, that game should not have been close for CU). This fashion show thing makes one wonder when the team meeting date was set, and when Shadeur and Shilo knew they wanted to go to that fashion show, and if perhaps Prime set this whole thing up with the meeting being during the fashion show so he could send a statement to the team that they are going to receive preferential treatment. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 17, 2024 22:13:15 GMT -6
Why? Because it is a fashion event? What if the two players in question instead were on say the Tonight Show? Or Playing piano with the London Symphony Orchestra? And what is disgusting about flat out saying "Hey, you want to be like pros... then do it like the pros do?" Not sure if it will work or not, but I don't see this as reprehensible. I don't want to speak for tog, but I think why he finds it to be disgusting, is because Shadeur and Shilo are being allowed to skip a team meeting for this and he suspects that were a walk-on from the team to request this, there's a good chance they would not be allowed to miss the meeting. I have been all about some Coach Prime and Colorado since pretty much the day it was announced he was going to Colorado, but even I am starting to have some doubts. It's starting to look like a total clown show, unfortunately. And that sucks, because I was really looking forward to him tearing it up after that first week against TCU (crappy defense aside lol, that game should not have been close for CU). This fashion show thing makes one wonder when the team meeting date was set, and when Shadeur and Shilo knew they wanted to go to that fashion show, and if perhaps Prime set this whole thing up with the meeting being during the fashion show so he could send a statement to the team that they are going to receive preferential treatment. Just a few points of clarity. They didn't "go to a fashion show". They were IN the show. Perhaps even as paid participants, while they networked and interacted with other. As far as your last paragraph...Huey has become first AAC athletic directors were conspiring to control the offense of Army, and now this? Huey is becoming a conspiracy theorists dream  Is any of this a show of humility? Absolutely not. And we will see how it pans out. This certainly isn't how Karl Dorrell or Mike MacIntyre or Jon Embree ran things when they were at CU. But is this any more "reprehensible" than naming your son the OC and then having it take the AD to set up objective measurements so that he can dismiss him because Daddy won't? |
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Post by brophy on Jan 18, 2024 3:56:40 GMT -6
Huey is becoming a conspiracy theorists dream not for nothing, but we infer what you're saying with this term is "made up speculation". Those vociferously supporting Coach Sanders continue to fall back on "maybe he...." "it could be", "who knows whats going on" deflection via uncertainty and conjecture when presented with 'smoke' / foul odor from the locker room. This isn't a 'conspiracy'. Simply TALK to any of your trusted coaching friends that have been on that staff or been intimately around that program and you'll get instant, credible supporting accounts. HE AIN'T HARD 2 FIND. for me, its not a personal witchunt. Its a guy LARPing as a Head Coach, who has been gifted keys to something he did not earn on merit. He's jiving his way through this grift by assuming some Baptist pastor personna that insulates him from negative critique. He's not nickel slick enough to pull this off at the DI level. While entrusted with this responsibility, his inexperience by hubris gets exposed at every narrow turn in the process. buuuut we'll keep making excuses for poor execution and lack of fundamentals because thats what we do in society now.... I point all this out simply to say, this will be his undoing. These shortcuts will be a daisychain of poor decisions where he believes he can outsmart fundamentals of success. He's been allowed to do this because there is zero accountability to "PRIME" because 'but muh endorsements!'. This situation offers a tremendous learning tool to pay attention to (as it happens) for those thinking they just NEED to be head coach without having the experience while also having the bull-headedness to not receive any critical feedback |
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Post by brophy on Jan 18, 2024 4:27:06 GMT -6
Again, are you saying you know of other players who had other opportunities and were told "You have to come to the meeting or there will be consequences...but my kids don't?" the die has been cast for some time that shows Shiloh and Shedeur rank on the program heirarchy. They are above COACHES, let alone players. I recall being LATE to a team meeting in college once. Punishment was so merciless that it didn't happen again. - FIRST team meeting of the new season (coming off a losing season)
- FIRST team meeting of the news season, where you're intentionally putting out a call for LEADERS to step up and be accountable
To not be present at this meeting, would make a resounding statement to my teammates that they weren't important to me. The COACHES in 100% of this galaxy would tell the players missing from that room If CU is supposed to be "Prime U" now where you go there if you intend to be a Media Grifter (actor/rapper/fashion icon/crap peddler), expect 4 win seasons...because the rest of the DI has rosters of men trying to be just FOOTBALL PLAYERS. When you step on the field in a physical MAN's game, you'd better be ready for the challenge ahead. Difficult to do that when your time is divided into being the most well-rounded soft social media consumer darling. Now go look in every thread here where coaches ask, "HOW TO BUILD (MENTAL) TOUGHNESS" and align this behavior up with whats offered there. THIS is what I've been barking about the entire time. Lets placate these entitled, spoiled brats some more. Continue to make excuses and justifications to sellout for the immediate grift/convenience. Don't reward dedication or self-sacrifice. [/quote] |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Jan 18, 2024 8:23:00 GMT -6
Today I learned what LARP is and will now use it to describe the bag men, personal trainer, 7v8 coaches. (yes 7v8 cuz you run the 3-4 and drop 8 in passing league dip sh!ts)
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Post by lws55 on Jan 18, 2024 9:35:21 GMT -6
Today I learned what LARP is and will now use it to describe the bag men, personal trainer, 7v8 coaches. (yes 7v8 cuz you run the 3-4 and drop 8 in passing league dip sh!ts) We send the 8th guy, just sometimes he is clueless and doesn't go! We have to make sure the fundraising kids get their reps!! Besides it gives you a realistic look of a delayed blitz. Not any worse then the offensive guys that send their RB straight up the middle at a full sprint, because they wouldn't have to get through all the traffic of the OL and DL to be able to run that. |
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 9:40:32 GMT -6
Today I learned what LARP is and will now use it to describe the bag men, personal trainer, 7v8 coaches. (yes 7v8 cuz you run the 3-4 and drop 8 in passing league dip sh!ts) We send the 8th guy, just sometimes he is clueless and doesn't go! We have to make sure the fundraising kids get their reps!! Besides it gives you a realistic look of a delayed blitz. Not any worse then the offensive guys that send their RB straight up the middle at a full sprint, because they wouldn't have to get through all the traffic of the OL and DL to be able to run that. Or running crossing routes through the o/d line |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 18, 2024 10:17:11 GMT -6
Huey is becoming a conspiracy theorists dream not for nothing, but we infer what you're saying with this term is "made up speculation". Those vociferously supporting Coach Sanders continue to fall back on "maybe he...." "it could be", "who knows whats going on" deflection via uncertainty and conjecture when presented with 'smoke' / foul odor from the locker room. This isn't a 'conspiracy'. Simply TALK to any of your trusted coaching friends that have been on that staff or been intimately around that program and you'll get instant, credible supporting accounts. HE AIN'T HARD 2 FIND. for me, its not a personal witchunt. Its a guy LARPing as a Head Coach, who has been gifted keys to something he did not earn on merit. He's jiving his way through this grift by assuming some Baptist pastor personna that insulates him from negative critique. He's not nickel slick enough to pull this off at the DI level. While entrusted with this responsibility, his inexperience by hubris gets exposed at every narrow turn in the process. buuuut we'll keep making excuses for poor execution and lack of fundamentals because thats what we do in society now.... I point all this out simply to say, this will be his undoing. These shortcuts will be a daisychain of poor decisions where he believes he can outsmart fundamentals of success. He's been allowed to do this because there is zero accountability to "PRIME" because 'but muh endorsements!'. This situation offers a tremendous learning tool to pay attention to (as it happens) for those thinking they just NEED to be head coach without having the experience while also having the bull-headedness to not receive any critical feedback This is a far more eloquent wording of my personal feelings on this entire "Prime" situation. |
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Post by fantom on Jan 18, 2024 11:52:21 GMT -6
I can see this scene happening in the Colorado locker room (Definitely NOT safe for work).
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