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Post by jg78 on Feb 14, 2016 16:48:48 GMT -6
I wouldn't dream of sending my son to a school like IMG. High school is a very unique and fleeting time in your life. Enjoy it for what it is. There's more to life than football and (in all likelihood) college scholarships will still be there for you.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2016 16:50:18 GMT -6
I wouldn't dream of sending my son to a school like IMG. High school is a very unique and fleeting time in your life. Enjoy it for what it is. There's more to life than football and (in all likelihood) college scholarships will still be there for you. THIS..is what I absolutely think is the key element. Now, for some that might not be important at all, but I 100% agree that for the vast majority, there is such little reason to accelerate adult hood, that IMG really isn't appropriate.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 14, 2016 17:17:48 GMT -6
A local D2 school signed a kid from there, NOTHING wrong with playing D2 ball at all think it's great when one of our kids ends up at that level but wonder if that 72,000 a year was worth getting your books paid for the first year to play college ball?
A for profit company that has a "high school" football team. That's all you should have to know.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 14, 2016 17:52:37 GMT -6
I wouldn't dream of sending my son to a school like IMG. High school is a very unique and fleeting time in your life. Enjoy it for what it is. There's more to life than football and (in all likelihood) college scholarships will still be there for you. If my kid had a chance to make it to to the NFL (or even just earn a scholarship) and IMG was a stepping stone, you had better bet your ass I would want my kid to go.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2016 18:06:00 GMT -6
I wouldn't dream of sending my son to a school like IMG. High school is a very unique and fleeting time in your life. Enjoy it for what it is. There's more to life than football and (in all likelihood) college scholarships will still be there for you. If my kid had a chance to make it to to the NFL (or even just earn a scholarship) and IMG was a stepping stone, you had better bet your ass I would want my kid to go. The NFL thing I understand...but the earn a scholarship part is more questionable. I would be very interested in seeing the "limited financial aid" given to the football/basketball/and some baseball athletes as opposed to the golf and tennis. When you say "earn a scholarship" keep in mind that it seems that many MANY of the kids at IMG are going there BECAUSE they already are blue chip, not to become blue chip.
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2016 18:45:19 GMT -6
If my kid had a chance to make it to to the NFL (or even just earn a scholarship) and IMG was a stepping stone, you had better bet your ass I would want my kid to go. The NFL thing I understand...but the earn a scholarship part is more questionable. I would be very interested in seeing the "limited financial aid" given to the football/basketball/and some baseball athletes as opposed to the golf and tennis. When you say "earn a scholarship" keep in mind that it seems that many MANY of the kids at IMG are going there BECAUSE they already are blue chip, not to become blue chip. In the article they talked about all of the four and five star recruits that they get. In the recruiting ranking business kids get stars based on the number and quality of offers that they have so I think that a lot of those parents are being sold a bill of goods.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 14, 2016 18:56:01 GMT -6
NFL ballers are NFL ballers. Nobody on here has created an NFL baller. They are NFL ballers whether they play high school ball at the school of the blind or at IMG.
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Post by Sparkey on Feb 14, 2016 19:01:21 GMT -6
Hmmm! Make me wonder why coach Jim Harbaugh is taking his U -M team down to IMG Academy for 4 practices during their spring break. I'm sure it wouldn't be for recruiting purposes.
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2016 19:18:42 GMT -6
Hmmm! Make me wonder why coach Jim Harbaugh is taking his U -M team down to IMG Academy for 4 practices during their spring break. I'm sure it wouldn't be for recruiting purposes. No doubt but in their defense-and I'm not a fan- their Spring bread starts on Feb. 27. Having been through "spring" football in the North, I can tell you that I'd rather have been in Bradenton.
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Post by WingTheT on Feb 14, 2016 20:36:50 GMT -6
I wouldn't want to play the Hogwarts of sports either if I were contacted by them. However if I could somehow arrange a late season game in FL then I would be tempted to go... However, if I had a son, I wouldn't send him to play football down there. Have you guys seen how much you have to pay to send a kid down there out of pocket?? No thank you!! www.imgacademy.com/sites/default/files/footballratecard2016.pdf
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2016 20:56:17 GMT -6
I wouldn't want to play the Hogwarts of sports either if I were contacted by them. However if I could somehow arrange a late season game in FL then I would be tempted to go... However, if I had a son, I wouldn't send him to play football down there. Have you guys seen how much you have to pay to send a kid down there out of pocket?? No thank you!! www.imgacademy.com/sites/default/files/footballratecard2016.pdfNobody will be privy to such info, but as I mentioned, I would LOVE to see which students are paying the $72,000 and which students are not. I would lose my house on a bet if Louisiana's Dylan Moses was paying full price. Or half price. Or quarter price.
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Post by WingTheT on Feb 14, 2016 21:06:21 GMT -6
Nobody will be privy to such info, but as I mentioned, I would LOVE to see which students are paying the $72,000 and which students are not. I would lose my house on a bet if Louisiana's Dylan Moses was paying full price. Or half price. Or quarter price. I bet that he wouldn't have to pay a dime just like when Bo Scarborough decided out of the blue to leave the state of AL his senior year to go down to Bradenton, FL. I'm sure they receive some sort "stimulus package" from brown paper bags that go towards their tuition that seems to go unnoticed by the rest of the world. If these parents had to pay a $50 application fee, it wouldn't surprise me if that was all they paid. And the kids who are riding the bench at these academies? They probably pay at LEAST 85% of it all if not the full tuition price. Don't worry, based on how late and out of nowhere these random NCAA scandals, allegations & stories work, we'll hear about an IMG scandal come up like 15 years from now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2016 21:23:05 GMT -6
Nobody will be privy to such info, but as I mentioned, I would LOVE to see which students are paying the $72,000 and which students are not. I would lose my house on a bet if Louisiana's Dylan Moses was paying full price. Or half price. Or quarter price. I bet that he wouldn't have to pay a dime just like when Bo Scarborough decided out of the blue to leave the state of AL his senior year to go down to Bradenton, FL. I'm sure they receive some sort "stimulus package" from brown paper bags that go towards their tuition that seems to go unnoticed by the rest of the world. If these parents had to pay a $50 application fee, it wouldn't surprise me if that was all they paid. And the kids who are riding the bench at these academies? They probably pay at LEAST 85% of it all if not the full tuition price. Don't worry, based on how late and out of nowhere these random NCAA scandals, allegations & stories work, we'll hear about an IMG scandal come up like 15 years from now. Why would any of that be a scandal though? It is not against any rule for a high school with no affiliation to do any of the things you suggested. As far as the kids "riding the bench" again, I have no knowledge, but I highly doubt that many kids that attend the school are average athletes who are being sold a pipe dream.
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Post by 60zgo on Feb 14, 2016 22:04:52 GMT -6
Well based on that article they seem to have a high number of kids going so they can graduate early. That could be a key push/pull factor for some high profile kids. I think many "regular" HS kids can probably set it up to leave mid year if the system allows it. That's what I'm saying. I know a couple of these guys are at schools where they cannot graduate early. (School policy/No Summer School, etc) So they are probably going to IMG and getting a whole semester during summer school and enroll at their D1 in Jan. I would go so far as to say that some of these guys are being placed at IMG just like guys get placed at JUCO's.
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2016 22:13:26 GMT -6
I bet that he wouldn't have to pay a dime just like when Bo Scarborough decided out of the blue to leave the state of AL his senior year to go down to Bradenton, FL. I'm sure they receive some sort "stimulus package" from brown paper bags that go towards their tuition that seems to go unnoticed by the rest of the world. If these parents had to pay a $50 application fee, it wouldn't surprise me if that was all they paid. And the kids who are riding the bench at these academies? They probably pay at LEAST 85% of it all if not the full tuition price. Don't worry, based on how late and out of nowhere these random NCAA scandals, allegations & stories work, we'll hear about an IMG scandal come up like 15 years from now. Why would any of that be a scandal though? It is not against any rule for a high school with no affiliation to do any of the things you suggested. As far as the kids "riding the bench" again, I have no knowledge, but I highly doubt that many kids that attend the school are average athletes who are being sold a pipe dream. The only way there could be a scandal would be if a college was footing the bill for some kids. In the article they mentioned "Families with money" and an earlier poster mentioned a kid who signed with a D.2. Obviously IMG isn't recruiting kids like that but if Daddy wants to write a check for 72K I'm sure they'll be happy to cash it. Sure, it's stupid to pay that kind of money for a D.2 scholarship but when egos take over people do stupid things.
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Post by WingTheT on Feb 14, 2016 22:15:36 GMT -6
I bet that he wouldn't have to pay a dime just like when Bo Scarborough decided out of the blue to leave the state of AL his senior year to go down to Bradenton, FL. I'm sure they receive some sort "stimulus package" from brown paper bags that go towards their tuition that seems to go unnoticed by the rest of the world. If these parents had to pay a $50 application fee, it wouldn't surprise me if that was all they paid. And the kids who are riding the bench at these academies? They probably pay at LEAST 85% of it all if not the full tuition price. Don't worry, based on how late and out of nowhere these random NCAA scandals, allegations & stories work, we'll hear about an IMG scandal come up like 15 years from now. Why would any of that be a scandal though? It is not against any rule for a high school with no affiliation to do any of the things you suggested. As far as the kids "riding the bench" again, I have no knowledge, but I highly doubt that many kids that attend the school are average athletes who are being sold a pipe dream. True just poking fun at how a UT scandal from Peyton's playing days is coming up now all of a sudden as well as other things that seem to come out of the blue. I guess teabagging ATs was frowned upon over 20 years ago... However, I don't know the rules of recruiting/scholarships in the state of FL, but it's illegal according to GHSA (Georgia) rules to recruit student-athletes to have them attend/play at your school. However, schools will find loopholes and these academies might follow different rules but I don't know how all that stuff really works much less care to dig into all that. It would however make me mad if I was a HC at my school and all of a sudden my best player decides to pack his bag down south and leave everything behind so soon. I'd be very skeptical.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2016 22:29:08 GMT -6
However, I don't know the rules of recruiting/scholarships in the state of FL, but it's illegal according to GHSA (Georgia) rules to recruit student-athletes to have them attend/play at your school. However, schools will find loopholes and these academies might follow different rules but I don't know how all that stuff really works much less care to dig into all that. It would however make me mad if I was a HC at my school and all of a sudden my best player decides to pack his bag down south and leave everything behind so soon. I'd be very skeptical. Again, I don't think you understand the situation with IMG. They have agreed not to make the first contact with any FLA HS kids in exchange for being a member of the association, but they are not competing for any district or state honors/playoffs or anything like that. However they can absolutely actively recruit any student anywhere else on the planet. They could give them scholarships and even pay them to play if they so desire. None of that would be against the rules for THEM (the paying of players could have some ramifications for the players if they then tried to play college ball) because they don't belong to any other states athletic association.
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Post by WingTheT on Feb 14, 2016 22:34:54 GMT -6
However, I don't know the rules of recruiting/scholarships in the state of FL, but it's illegal according to GHSA (Georgia) rules to recruit student-athletes to have them attend/play at your school. However, schools will find loopholes and these academies might follow different rules but I don't know how all that stuff really works much less care to dig into all that. It would however make me mad if I was a HC at my school and all of a sudden my best player decides to pack his bag down south and leave everything behind so soon. I'd be very skeptical. Again, I don't think you understand the situation with IMG. They have agreed not to make the first contact with any FLA HS kids in exchange for being a member of the association, but they are not competing for any district or state honors/playoffs or anything like that. However they can absolutely actively recruit any student anywhere else on the planet. They could give them scholarships and even pay them to play if they so desire. None of that would be against the rules for THEM (the paying of players could have some ramifications for the players if they then tried to play college ball) because they don't belong to any other states athletic association. Ah well that makes more sense now. Didn't know how the whole thing work but now I do. In that case, forget anything I posted previously. I thought that they were part of a HS sports association in Florida but that's not the case. Now I feel as smart as a rock right now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2016 22:41:44 GMT -6
Again, I don't think you understand the situation with IMG. They have agreed not to make the first contact with any FLA HS kids in exchange for being a member of the association, but they are not competing for any district or state honors/playoffs or anything like that. However they can absolutely actively recruit any student anywhere else on the planet. They could give them scholarships and even pay them to play if they so desire. None of that would be against the rules for THEM (the paying of players could have some ramifications for the players if they then tried to play college ball) because they don't belong to any other states athletic association. Ah well that makes more sense now. Didn't know how the whole thing work but now I do. In that case, forget anything I posted previously. I thought that they were part of a HS sports association in Florida but that's not the case. Now I feel as smart as a rock right now. I think that is what makes IMG's future interesting and curious. Right now, they aren't the typical school that would be accused of recruiting and cheating in order to win state championships. They don't play for state championships and openly recruit players outside of the state of FLA.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 14, 2016 22:42:39 GMT -6
Again, I don't think you understand the situation with IMG. They have agreed not to make the first contact with any FLA HS kids in exchange for being a member of the association, but they are not competing for any district or state honors/playoffs or anything like that. However they can absolutely actively recruit any student anywhere else on the planet. They could give them scholarships and even pay them to play if they so desire. None of that would be against the rules for THEM (the paying of players could have some ramifications for the players if they then tried to play college ball) because they don't belong to any other states athletic association. Ah well that makes more sense now. Didn't know how the whole thing work but now I do. In that case, forget anything I posted previously. I thought that they were part of a HS sports association in Florida but that's not the case. Now I feel as smart as a rock right now. I didn't know a school could work outside of a state association. Seems sketch to me.. But then again the whole thing feels about as good as a puppy mill.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 23:50:46 GMT -6
Ah well that makes more sense now. Didn't know how the whole thing work but now I do. In that case, forget anything I posted previously. I thought that they were part of a HS sports association in Florida but that's not the case. Now I feel as smart as a rock right now. I didn't know a school could work outside of a state association. Seems sketch to me.. But then again the whole thing feels about as good as a puppy mill. You get private schools who are independent of state associations in lots of places. Sometimes they band together and form their own tiny associations, sometimes they join the state association after a probationary period or whatever, sometimes they don't play a varsity schedule and just play JV and scrimmages, but it happens. We played one of those schools that was independent at that zoo I worked at a couple of years ago. They had competed in 8 man (not state sanctioned) for a few years with a federation of other small 8 man teams from nearby states and were in the process of joining the state association after moving up to 11 man, but never did before the team folded up. It turned out one of their benefactors worked for a government agency and was using taxpayer money like a private business expense account to sponsor the team and other interests of his. You can guess how well that went over when the authorities found out... At my current stop, after the longtime HC retired a few years ago, they originally hired a guy from GA to come up and take over. He'd won state and was COY in his association, which everyone played up as if he'd done this in the GHSA. Only it wasn't GHSA at all... his association was an independent league of small private schools and only had about 25 members in it. The guys I work with still make fun of what a lousy coach the guy was here, but after 2 years he returned to his old stop and has gone back to contending for their championship and being voted COY.
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Post by gators1422 on Feb 15, 2016 1:11:06 GMT -6
IMG is a business that happens to have a school. None of those 4-5 star kids pay a dime to go to school there. They are looked at as a investment. IMG has a training facility and run a huge talent agency. Let's look at Shea Patterson the QB who went their last year from Louisiana. He attended one year at IMG, at very little actual cost to them. Hypothetically he goes to Ole Miss, plays 3 years declares for the NFL. He needs a place to train and an agent to sign with. You typically go with what you know and he knows IMG. Let's say he gets drafted in the 1st round, 20 million dollar contract. The agent is getting 10% who is IMG. So that small investment in his one year of high school has more than paid for itself. Obviously they have done ok in the agency business to this point, they are just helping secure their future.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 15, 2016 5:06:34 GMT -6
If my kid had a chance to make it to to the NFL (or even just earn a scholarship) and IMG was a stepping stone, you had better bet your ass I would want my kid to go. The NFL thing I understand...but the earn a scholarship part is more questionable. I would be very interested in seeing the "limited financial aid" given to the football/basketball/and some baseball athletes as opposed to the golf and tennis. When you say "earn a scholarship" keep in mind that it seems that many MANY of the kids at IMG are going there BECAUSE they already are blue chip, not to become blue chip. So every kid who plays at IMG gets a scholarship? Not being a d1ck...I seriously don't know.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 15, 2016 8:05:14 GMT -6
The NFL thing I understand...but the earn a scholarship part is more questionable. I would be very interested in seeing the "limited financial aid" given to the football/basketball/and some baseball athletes as opposed to the golf and tennis. When you say "earn a scholarship" keep in mind that it seems that many MANY of the kids at IMG are going there BECAUSE they already are blue chip, not to become blue chip. So every kid who plays at IMG gets a scholarship? Not being a d1ck...I seriously don't know. I don't know. Probably not... but the kids that are actively being recruited from out of state (Like Dylan Moses, LSU commit and #1 prospect from LA who enrolled at IMG in January) are.
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Post by WingTheT on Feb 15, 2016 9:02:16 GMT -6
Ah well that makes more sense now. Didn't know how the whole thing work but now I do. In that case, forget anything I posted previously. I thought that they were part of a HS sports association in Florida but that's not the case. Now I feel as smart as a rock right now. I think that is what makes IMG's future interesting and curious. Right now, they aren't the typical school that would be accused of recruiting and cheating in order to win state championships. They don't play for state championships and openly recruit players outside of the state of FLA. As cool as it would be to coach a team that's drooling with extreme talent, I wouldn't find it as satisfying as working with team to win a ring. I've been close many a couple of times but it would be awesome to actually compete and win the big one. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not married and the first ring I'm looking for is a state champs one. I don't have the money (big excuse) to buy one for a lady friend.
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Post by leighty on Feb 15, 2016 9:09:21 GMT -6
IMG is a business that happens to have a school. None of those 4-5 star kids pay a dime to go to school there. They are looked at as a investment. IMG has a training facility and run a huge talent agency. Let's look at Shea Patterson the QB who went their last year from Louisiana. He attended one year at IMG, at very little actual cost to them. Hypothetically he goes to Ole Miss, plays 3 years declares for the NFL. He needs a place to train and an agent to sign with. You typically go with what you know and he knows IMG. Let's say he gets drafted in the 1st round, 20 million dollar contract. The agent is getting 10% who is IMG. So that small investment in his one year of high school has more than paid for itself. Obviously they have done ok in the agency business to this point, they are just helping secure their future. Agents are capped at 3%, but your point stands. Malik Henry, who signed with Florida State, was kicked off the football team and out of the school, so it's obviously not a complete free-for-all. As for the academics, I've coached in one of the poorest counties in Florida. I can't imagine the academics at IMG are any worse.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 15, 2016 9:22:48 GMT -6
There's a basketball prep school called Findlay Prep in Las Vegas, as far as I know the entire student population is the basketball team, and those kids come from everywhere. I'm not sure if this is more common with basketball but it seems like a similar setup to IMG but scaled down to one sport.
I know Findlay is a "partial member" of Nevada's athletic association, they don't play in a league and they don't play in Nevada playoffs, they play a national schedule and play in several post season tournaments around the country. I think most years they only play 1 team from Nevada.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 15, 2016 9:33:37 GMT -6
Nobody will be privy to such info, but as I mentioned, I would LOVE to see which students are paying the $72,000 and which students are not. I would lose my house on a bet if Louisiana's Dylan Moses was paying full price. Or half price. Or quarter price. I bet that he wouldn't have to pay a dime just like when Bo Scarborough decided out of the blue to leave the state of AL his senior year to go down to Bradenton, FL. I'm sure they receive some sort "stimulus package" from brown paper bags that go towards their tuition that seems to go unnoticed by the rest of the world. If these parents had to pay a $50 application fee, it wouldn't surprise me if that was all they paid. And the kids who are riding the bench at these academies? They probably pay at LEAST 85% of it all if not the full tuition price. Don't worry, based on how late and out of nowhere these random NCAA scandals, allegations & stories work, we'll hear about an IMG scandal come up like 15 years from now. There's a lot of assumtions in here. There's a lot of "I bet's" and "probablys" in this thread.This is the second thread on here about this school and still no one rerally knows anything about them. Academics and financial aid is what we all want answers to. There's got to be some way of getting these answered.
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Post by riverrat on Feb 15, 2016 9:47:04 GMT -6
A local kid from my area went to IMG this past sesmester, was a 2 star recruit with no D1 offers, played very little and returned to his school after Christmas and was not allowed to re-enter and went to another school to finish. He did not sign a scholarship a signing day and have heard through the rumor mill that his parents said it was the biggest mistake they ever made and the kid future is ruined and by the way his high school team that he left won their second consecuitve state championship.
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Post by leighty on Feb 15, 2016 9:50:45 GMT -6
If the kid was a two-star recruit, there likely wasn't going to be any offers of note regardless of where he played.
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