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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 15, 2016 9:56:10 GMT -6
I'm surprised they even gave him 2 stars based on the way I've seen those ratings sites work. Our TE was 0 stars with 0 offers, then got his first offer and the next day he was 3 stars and something like the 24th rated TE in the country.
I am very curious how that works when a kid with delusional parents tries to get into IMG but any objective person can see they aren't D1 material. I'd imagine a 72k price tag prevents it for the most part.
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Post by vicvinegar on Feb 15, 2016 9:56:43 GMT -6
The NFL thing I understand...but the earn a scholarship part is more questionable. I would be very interested in seeing the "limited financial aid" given to the football/basketball/and some baseball athletes as opposed to the golf and tennis. When you say "earn a scholarship" keep in mind that it seems that many MANY of the kids at IMG are going there BECAUSE they already are blue chip, not to become blue chip. So every kid who plays at IMG gets a scholarship? Not being a d1ck...I seriously don't know. I tried to find it and couldn't, but I was shown an article where everyone on last year's team or year before had received a D1 offer.
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Post by leighty on Feb 15, 2016 10:06:28 GMT -6
I'm surprised they even gave him 2 stars based on the way I've seen those ratings sites work. Our TE was 0 stars with 0 offers, then got his first offer and the next day he was 3 stars and something like the 24th rated TE in the country. Rivals and the like rely heavily on offer lists to do their rankings for them. There's not a whole lot of actual evaluation going on. And that's fine because the consumer of those kinds of sites are the fans. Recruiting services that are patronized by colleges are an entirely different animal.
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Post by 60zgo on Feb 15, 2016 10:07:03 GMT -6
I bet that he wouldn't have to pay a dime just like when Bo Scarborough decided out of the blue to leave the state of AL his senior year to go down to Bradenton, FL. I'm sure they receive some sort "stimulus package" from brown paper bags that go towards their tuition that seems to go unnoticed by the rest of the world. If these parents had to pay a $50 application fee, it wouldn't surprise me if that was all they paid. And the kids who are riding the bench at these academies? They probably pay at LEAST 85% of it all if not the full tuition price. Don't worry, based on how late and out of nowhere these random NCAA scandals, allegations & stories work, we'll hear about an IMG scandal come up like 15 years from now. There's a lot of assumtions in here. There's a lot of "I bet's" and "probablys" in this thread.This is the second thread on here about this school and still no one rerally knows anything about them. Academics and financial aid is what we all want answers to. There's got to be some way of getting these answered. True... But based on the number of kids who have transferred in for their senior year and then graduated in December and enrolled early it would appear that certain colleges are playing a game I'm not a fan of. Especially when you consider where a bunch of these kids are FROM, who has offered, and where they go BACK to. It's a cute trick. Again, I think they are being placed just like the kids in JUCO. The State colleges always try and develop a relationship with you and they want the best to stay at home. I'd be pretty pissed if I found out that same university facilitated the senior year transfer of my best player to IMG just so he could enroll early.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 15, 2016 10:27:36 GMT -6
If the kid was a two-star recruit, there likely wasn't going to be any offers of note regardless of where he played. state championship team can make a 2 star kid look ALOT better.
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Post by leighty on Feb 15, 2016 10:34:48 GMT -6
state championship team can make a 2 star kid look ALOT better. Eh
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 15, 2016 10:41:23 GMT -6
If the kid was a two-star recruit, there likely wasn't going to be any offers of note regardless of where he played. state championship team can make a 2 star kid look ALOT better. There's a whole lot of HS teams in this country where if they had a 2 star recruit, he'd be the reason why they're a championship team.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 15, 2016 10:55:31 GMT -6
state championship team can make a 2 star kid look ALOT better. There's a whole lot of HS teams in this country where if they had a 2 star recruit, he'd be the reason why they're a championship team. I'm not a star system guy, but if I had a guy transfer in that was a 1-star... he would be my program's first ranked kid in 7 years of existence. Closest thing I've had is a PK/P a couple years ago that was on rivals/scout as an unranked kid. He signed D2 and is our only non-D3 signee to date.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 15, 2016 11:01:16 GMT -6
There's a whole lot of HS teams in this country where if they had a 2 star recruit, he'd be the reason why they're a championship team. I'm not a star system guy, but if I had a guy transfer in that was a 1-star... he would be my program's first ranked kid in 7 years of existence. Closest thing I've had is a PK/P a couple years ago that was on rivals/scout as an unranked kid. He signed D2 and is our only non-D3 signee to date. Same here. We've won DII state championships in Rhode Island with zero D1 recruits. RI has maybe 10 D1 players a year as an entire state....that may even be a stretch. Our school has had 1 or 2 1AA guys over the years but that's it. We will have 1 or 2 players a year go on to play college at D2 or D3 schools. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 15, 2016 11:11:50 GMT -6
I'm not a star system guy, but if I had a guy transfer in that was a 1-star... he would be my program's first ranked kid in 7 years of existence. Closest thing I've had is a PK/P a couple years ago that was on rivals/scout as an unranked kid. He signed D2 and is our only non-D3 signee to date. Same here. We've won DII state championships in Rhode Island with zero D1 recruits. RI has maybe 10 D1 players a year as an entire state....that may even be a stretch. Our school has had 1 or 2 1AA guys over the years but that's it. We will have 1 or 2 players a year go on to play college at D2 or D3 schools. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards Wish I could say the same but we only have 1 winning season in school history, and it was this past year. We play schools that have 150 HS kids and some how 65 boys playing varsity football... and winning state titles.
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Post by olinedude on Feb 15, 2016 11:52:56 GMT -6
IMG is a business that happens to have a school. None of those 4-5 star kids pay a dime to go to school there. They are looked at as a investment. IMG has a training facility and run a huge talent agency. Let's look at Shea Patterson the QB who went their last year from Louisiana. He attended one year at IMG, at very little actual cost to them. Hypothetically he goes to Ole Miss, plays 3 years declares for the NFL. He needs a place to train and an agent to sign with. You typically go with what you know and he knows IMG. Let's say he gets drafted in the 1st round, 20 million dollar contract. The agent is getting 10% who is IMG. So that small investment in his one year of high school has more than paid for itself. Obviously they have done ok in the agency business to this point, they are just helping secure their future. This is 100% it. It is basically one big training ground for future professional athletes. I don't think IMG cares at all about not playing for championships or if anyone schedules them for games. They are basically just training guys to become NFL players, which in turn they hope those kids sign with them because its familiar. Personally, I wouldn't schedule them unless I had a very good team and was very confident that we could beat them. I'm not sure they threaten the high school game, unless this becomes a nationwide thing where other schools copy the format. If ten of these schools pop up with the same success over the next few years, then yeah we're all in trouble. It could get bad if this becomes the norm, but as it stands now its a D1 athlete factory and they get beat by a bunch of average kids who play good team football. I remember watching the catholic school from New Jersey taking them to the wire and almost beating them except for a small handful of plays IMG guys made just because they were freakishly athletic.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 15, 2016 12:28:33 GMT -6
A local kid from my area went to IMG this past sesmester, was a 2 star recruit with no D1 offers, played very little and returned to his school after Christmas and was not allowed to re-enter and went to another school to finish. He did not sign a scholarship a signing day and have heard through the rumor mill that his parents said it was the biggest mistake they ever made and the kid future is ruined and by the way his high school team that he left won their second consecuitve state championship. Ouch. That's going to leave a mark. With that being said, why did the parents send the boy to IMG? If there is any "blame" to be assessed here, I put it in the parents, not on IMG.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 15, 2016 15:45:15 GMT -6
So every kid who plays at IMG gets a scholarship? Not being a d1ck...I seriously don't know. I tried to find it and couldn't, but I was shown an article where everyone on last year's team or year before had received a D1 offer. I read that article but I did some digging and it's not true. Many of their kids have D1 offers of varying degree, almost all have SOME kind of offer, but to say every one has a D1 offer is simply untrue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 16:33:00 GMT -6
If the kid was a two-star recruit, there likely wasn't going to be any offers of note regardless of where he played. The star system is a lot of BS, based on the offers the kid has and going through gatekeepers at Rivals camps and things. I coached against a lazy but athletic 0 star kid a few years ago who magically became a 2 star prospect as soon as he attended Tennessee's camp and left with an offer, then signed with them as a 4 star recruit after half the SEC made offers to him over the next year. Don't put too much stock in it. A lot of 2 star players do sign with mid-low tier FBS schools and just about any FCS program would gladly take a 2 star.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 16:43:13 GMT -6
There's a whole lot of HS teams in this country where if they had a 2 star recruit, he'd be the reason why they're a championship team. I'm not a star system guy, but if I had a guy transfer in that was a 1-star... he would be my program's first ranked kid in 7 years of existence. Closest thing I've had is a PK/P a couple years ago that was on rivals/scout as an unranked kid. He signed D2 and is our only non-D3 signee to date. Do people realize that the way a kid earns a star is by going to a Rivals camp and performing well in workouts, as opposed to producing on the HS field? Either a kid impresses at a FBS camp or a coach nominates a kid and sends film with stats and workout numbers to the right people, who in turn invite that kid to an expensive combine. The ones who already have big time offers (usually via the camp system) get in free, while the rest pay for their stars. There are LOTS of All-State athletes who can legitimately play FBS football who slip through the cracks because they don't go through that system, while there are plenty of guys who get rated with 3 and 4 stars despite mediocre football skills and production. The difference between a 2 star kid and a 3 star kid is usually as simple as an offer from a Power 5 conference school. The difference between that 3 star and a 4 star kid is a lot more offers from similar programs. It is not some objective measure of talent, but rather seeks to pull together a consensus from coaches on how "hot" a commodity a kid is, which is as much a reflection of exposure as it is talent and production.
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Post by leighty on Feb 15, 2016 17:41:54 GMT -6
If the kid was a two-star recruit, there likely wasn't going to be any offers of note regardless of where he played. The star system is a lot of BS, based on the offers the kid has and going through gatekeepers at Rivals camps and things. I coached against a lazy but athletic 0 star kid a few years ago who magically became a 2 star prospect as soon as he attended Tennessee's camp and left with an offer, then signed with them as a 4 star recruit after half the SEC made offers to him over the next year. Don't put too much stock in it. A lot of 2 star players do sign with mid-low tier FBS schools and just about any FCS program would gladly take a 2 star. The star system is what it is – a way for Rivals, 24/7, etc. to be relevant and make money. That said, there's a pretty high correlation between rankings and ability and team success at the next level.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 18:31:22 GMT -6
The star system is a lot of BS, based on the offers the kid has and going through gatekeepers at Rivals camps and things. I coached against a lazy but athletic 0 star kid a few years ago who magically became a 2 star prospect as soon as he attended Tennessee's camp and left with an offer, then signed with them as a 4 star recruit after half the SEC made offers to him over the next year. Don't put too much stock in it. A lot of 2 star players do sign with mid-low tier FBS schools and just about any FCS program would gladly take a 2 star. The star system is what it is – a way for Rivals, 24/7, etc. to be relevant and make money. That said, there's a pretty high correlation between rankings and ability and team success at the next level. There is, but that's because all the star rankings tell you is how many programs want a kid. If everyone wants a kid, he's probably pretty good and the programs who recruit the most sought after players better are going to do well. The star system is irrelevant and has no bearing on that. My issue is that people treat this as if a 2 or 3 star kid must be a clearly inferior athlete to a 5 star recruit, as if it's some objective measure of pure talent, but it could simply be that the kid didn't play the recruiting service game or get the exposure that other athletes did.
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Post by CBNIndian on Feb 15, 2016 18:50:26 GMT -6
Seen many a kid be a 4-5 star and can't play! JJ Watt was a supposed 2-star and look at him. The guys ranking them see "testers". Some guys test well and still can't play! Saw one close up this year and he wasn't the best player on their defense but he passed the eye candy test! Ordinary looking kids on the team played with more effort and heart!
One guy who gives out stars adds a star if a player gets an offer or commits to ND! How funny is that?!!!!
If I had a kid who was thinking of going to IMG I would tell him to go! I want kids who want to compete for a state championship. I do not want one who is basically giving up the high school experience of wanting to compete for the big one and lay it all on the line!
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Post by jlab27 on Feb 16, 2016 7:17:21 GMT -6
I know there is a lot in this thread. If i repeat something that has been said, I apologize.
Having played against IMG and knowing a couple of coaches on the old staff, hopefully I can give a little more clarity.
Like what was stated earlier, the whole purpose is to invest into these kids in case they become pro's then they will more likely come back to train there. IMG can not play in the playoffs, so once their season is over, it's over. They are in the FHSAA, which allows them to play other FHSAA schools, but they agreed to not actively "recruit" any Florida schools.
Their coaches don't hide the fact that they recruit kids, but they only get the Florida kids who contact them (allegedly).
From a weekly schedule it is set up just like the college schedule. Block scheduling over 4 days.They have to go to team meals and morning work outs, practice after class and meetings, and then lights out at a certain time. This is what the players find the most beneficial. The QB who went to FSU a couple of years ago said he so prepared for everything because of this set up. But he also said it isn't for everyone and a lot of kids can't handle it. Once the season is over for the coaches, they start gearing up for combine season and training college/pro guys.
The best thing about IMG is their field. We have been lucky enough to play in pro and college stadiums and that grass was the best surface we have ever been on.
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Post by jlab27 on Feb 16, 2016 7:18:07 GMT -6
Oh and with the old staff, a lot of college coaches encouraged their big time players to enroll at IMG. I don't think they encourage it as much.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Feb 18, 2016 21:49:57 GMT -6
He state of Texas has lost about 8 big time kids this year to Img, And in Dallas there was Prime time prep that Deion was running and was {censored} down this year, total CF.
This might have been typed already, but what do u guys think of Michigan having their spring practices there?
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Post by olinedude on Feb 19, 2016 11:55:34 GMT -6
Prime prep was hilariously bad, and I'm glad it went under. Who else from Texas is going to IMG? I know that a kid from Allen left, but who else?
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Post by PSS on Feb 19, 2016 14:11:29 GMT -6
At our association regional meetings in Texas a couple of weeks ago coaches were highly discouraged from scheduling IMG. I doubt very seriously they will be playing a public school in Texas anytime soon.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 26, 2016 18:49:06 GMT -6
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Post by 33coach on Feb 26, 2016 19:04:34 GMT -6
yea, pretty crazy right? the one kid that blows my mind is that Junior OL - 6'5 350 LBs .......
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