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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 4:08:28 GMT -6
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38433243/colorado-state-player-family-receive-death-threats-hitThis is the part of the article that most stands out to me: "(CSU Athletic director Joe) Parker told ESPN. "Henry never intended to put anyone in harm's way on the football field. It's not what we teach or coach." The evidence from the game seems to refute that. Given the high numbers of personal fouls called against the CSU players during the game, I think it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that the coaching staff both teaches and coaches and encourages thuggery and goonish behavior. What's the old saying? Either you are teaching it that way or you are letting it happen. The CSU coaches, starting with Norvell, have largely avoided any criticism about their player's conduct during the game. They are ultimately responsible for how players act on the field. And when there are as many personal fouls as there were Saturday night, that is indicative of a coaching staff who encouraged their players to act that way.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Sept 19, 2023 7:21:07 GMT -6
You think BC's coach encouraged his team to commit a bunch of penalties?
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Post by tripsclosed on Sept 19, 2023 7:57:24 GMT -6
You think BC's coach encouraged his team to commit a bunch of penalties? Always possible, but because of the context of the CU-CSU game, it's much more of a reasonable inference that Norvell and/or members of his staff encouraged players to play this way against CU due to the feud in the week leading up to the game...
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 8:35:11 GMT -6
You think BC's coach encouraged his team to commit a bunch of penalties? I don’t know. I didn’t watch that game.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 8:38:15 GMT -6
You think BC's coach encouraged his team to commit a bunch of penalties? Always possible, but because of the context of the CU-CSU game, it's much more of a reasonable inference that Norvell and/or members of his staff encouraged players to play this way against CU due to the feud in the week leading up to the game... Right. And Norvell is getting a free pass. He should be getting called out for the way his players conducted themselves. The nerve of this guy. 🙄 csurams.com/news/2023/9/18/football-monday-presser-norvell-disturbed-by-growing-trendThat is some first-class hubris!
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Post by fantom on Sept 19, 2023 10:20:12 GMT -6
Always possible, but because of the context of the CU-CSU game, it's much more of a reasonable inference that Norvell and/or members of his staff encouraged players to play this way against CU due to the feud in the week leading up to the game... Right. And Norvell is getting a free pass. He should be getting called out for the way his players conducted themselves. The nerve of this guy. 🙄 csurams.com/news/2023/9/18/football-monday-presser-norvell-disturbed-by-growing-trendThat is some first-class hubris! So you're in favor of players getting death threats?
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 11:51:27 GMT -6
So you're in favor of players getting death threats? Uh, no? The point is that the kid who is getting the death threats was only doing what he had been coached to do, either explicitly or implicitly. For Norvell to call out the dopes who are threatening his player while refusing to acknowledge his own (Norvell’s) culpability for that fiasco is the height of hubris. To quote Mike Ditka, “Who you crappin’?” 😂
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Post by bulldogsdc on Sept 19, 2023 12:03:53 GMT -6
Coach "I want you to hit him late and lacerate their liver"
Player "Yes, sir."
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 12:30:09 GMT -6
Coach "I want you to hit him late and lacerate their liver" Player "Yes, sir." “Henry…these CU guys and their head coach are a bunch of hot dogs with big mouths. We want you and your teammates to send a message when you get the chance to do so to shut them up.”
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Post by fantom on Sept 19, 2023 12:40:19 GMT -6
Coach "I want you to hit him late and lacerate their liver" Player "Yes, sir." “Henry…these CU guys and their head coach are a bunch of hot dogs with big mouths. We want you and your teammates to send a message when you get the chance to do so to shut them up.” Do you think that any coaches needed to come out and say it? Don't you think that CSU players were really sick of hearing about Colorado? I don't think that the players needed any extra motivation. Look, until last week I didn't know who Ron Norvell was. Maybe he did exactly what you think he did but I don't know that. You've never had a game where your guys got overly chippy even though you tried to cool them down? "You coached it or allowed it" may be mostly true but not 100% because the players are human beings and do make decisions. Sometimes those decisions are bad despite the coaches' best efforts.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 12:58:24 GMT -6
“Henry…these CU guys and their head coach are a bunch of hot dogs with big mouths. We want you and your teammates to send a message when you get the chance to do so to shut them up.” Do you think that any coaches needed to come out and say it? Don't you think that CSU players were really sick of hearing about Colorado? I don't think that the players needed any extra motivation. Look, until last week I didn't know who Ron Norvell was. Maybe he did exactly what you think he did but I don't know that. You've never had a game where your guys got overly chippy even though you tried to cool them down? "You coached it or allowed it" may be mostly true but not 100% because the players are human beings and do make decisions. Sometimes those decisions are bad despite the coaches' best efforts. Over 180 yards in penalties with a big chunk of those coming on personal fouls. That’s the coach’s best effort? Look…I get it. Kids do dumb things. But we aren’t talking about a one-off play here where a kid does something stupid out of the blue. The CSU kids seemed to be pretty focused on sending a message, intimidation, shutting them up, whatever you want to call it. That attitude permeated the entire CSU sideline. Kids want to please their coaches. They know what their coaches want. I feel pretty confident that the kid from CSU who committed that late hit did exactly what he had been coached up to do in practice the week before the game.
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Post by irishdog on Sept 19, 2023 13:21:41 GMT -6
According to the rules in football it wasn't considered "targeting", but also in the rules of football it was a personal foul. The team was penalized, and so was the perp. Yes, it definitely was a cheap shot. But I am an old school coach, and I would ask why the perp wasn't immediately removed from the game by Norvell, and not allowed to continue playing? THAT'S where I question Norvell, and ANY OTHER HC who SAYS they don't teach it or condone it. By yanking that kid out, or any other player who did dirty, more of us would probably believe his words.
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Post by blb on Sept 19, 2023 13:44:41 GMT -6
Whether the CSU kids did it with intent or not looks like it didn't work very well since they lost the game.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 13:56:23 GMT -6
Whether the CSU kids did it with intent or not looks like it didn't work very well since they lost the game. 100%. The irony is, I think CSU had the better team. Better athletes, better scheme, etc, etc. If they would have just focused on the game and cut out the nonsense, they win by two scores at least.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 19, 2023 15:59:16 GMT -6
Whether the CSU kids did it with intent or not looks like it didn't work very well since they lost the game. 100%. The irony is, I think CSU had the better team. Better athletes, better scheme, etc, etc. If they would have just focused on the game and cut out the nonsense, they win by two scores at least. If CSU had the better team, Colorado better get ready to get murdered in conference because CSU got absolutely embarrassed by Washington St.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 19, 2023 16:25:24 GMT -6
I obviously don't like Deion, but his statement about the death threats and Blackburn in general are fantastic.
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Post by irishdog on Sept 19, 2023 16:28:11 GMT -6
100%. The irony is, I think CSU had the better team. Better athletes, better scheme, etc, etc. If they would have just focused on the game and cut out the nonsense, they win by two scores at least. If CSU had the better team, Colorado better get ready to get murdered in conference because CSU got absolutely embarrassed by Washington St. No doubt Colorado will have its work cut out for itself. Oregon this week, USC the next, UCLA, Oregon State, Arizona, and Washington State on the horizon. Luckily they won't face Washington.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 17:38:30 GMT -6
I obviously don't like Deion, but his statement about the death threats and Blackburn in general are fantastic. Agreed.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2023 17:55:58 GMT -6
100%. The irony is, I think CSU had the better team. Better athletes, better scheme, etc, etc. If they would have just focused on the game and cut out the nonsense, they win by two scores at least. If CSU had the better team, Colorado better get ready to get murdered in conference because CSU got absolutely embarrassed by Washington St. I would imagine that those good teams that are coming up on CU's schedule have a big advantage over CSU. First, they will have much better players and an established program. Second, their coaches will wisely focus on winning the game and work hard to avoid any drama that takes that focus away. Those teams should be good enough to show up and beat CU without having to be dragged down by all the nonsense that CSU brought last weekend.
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Post by tog on Sept 20, 2023 16:36:41 GMT -6
what a tool
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Post by blb on Sept 20, 2023 16:54:22 GMT -6
Sanders' HC record in 29-7.
I don't care who you are or where you're coaching, that's pretty good.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 20, 2023 19:55:40 GMT -6
Oof. Not a good look. That’s some Michael Scott-level cringe.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 23, 2023 21:48:21 GMT -6
You'd think I'd be happy Deion lost. I'm really indifferent.
Now, PJ Fleck getting made to look like an idiot against a terrible NW team. {censored} ECSTATIC!!!
#StillBlocked
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 27, 2023 15:12:13 GMT -6
So- Year one Sanders was a success at CU correct? Obviously the off the field aspects such as revenue, attention, ticket sales, and interest were clearly better than could be hoped for. But on the field they went from historically bad football 1-11 team with almost a - 30 pt per game scoring differential to a 4-8 team with a scoring differential of just -6.5. A more significant improvement than Matt Rhule had at Nebraska (and beat NEB head to head) While still going 1-8 and placing last in conference, there were only two games with large differentials and one with large differential (compared to last season where only one loss was under 23 points).
Nobody should be hanging out blue ribbons to the 2023 CU program, but I think it seems fairly obvious that year one could be labeled a success.
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Post by blb on Dec 27, 2023 15:26:16 GMT -6
So- Year one Sanders was a success at CU correct? Obviously the off the field aspects such as revenue, attention, ticket sales, and interest were clearly better than could be hoped for. But on the field they went from historically bad football 1-11 team with almost a - 30 pt per game scoring differential to a 4-8 team with a scoring differential of just -6.5. A more significant improvement than Matt Rhule had at Nebraska (and beat NEB head to head) While still going 1-8 and placing last in conference, there were only two games with large differentials and one with large differential (compared to last season where only one loss was under 23 points). Nobody should be hanging out blue ribbons to the 2023 CU program, but I think it seems fairly obvious that year one could be labeled a success. I won't argue your conclusion. But Sanders has lost several coaches in last month. How he is able to replace them may determine if Buffs can take another step forward in '24.
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Post by tog on Dec 27, 2023 15:44:47 GMT -6
So- Year one Sanders was a success at CU correct? Obviously the off the field aspects such as revenue, attention, ticket sales, and interest were clearly better than could be hoped for. But on the field they went from historically bad football 1-11 team with almost a - 30 pt per game scoring differential to a 4-8 team with a scoring differential of just -6.5. A more significant improvement than Matt Rhule had at Nebraska (and beat NEB head to head) While still going 1-8 and placing last in conference, there were only two games with large differentials and one with large differential (compared to last season where only one loss was under 23 points). Nobody should be hanging out blue ribbons to the 2023 CU program, but I think it seems fairly obvious that year one could be labeled a success. And yet prime prep
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 27, 2023 15:47:31 GMT -6
So- Year one Sanders was a success at CU correct? Obviously the off the field aspects such as revenue, attention, ticket sales, and interest were clearly better than could be hoped for. But on the field they went from historically bad football 1-11 team with almost a - 30 pt per game scoring differential to a 4-8 team with a scoring differential of just -6.5. A more significant improvement than Matt Rhule had at Nebraska (and beat NEB head to head) While still going 1-8 and placing last in conference, there were only two games with large differentials and one with large differential (compared to last season where only one loss was under 23 points). Nobody should be hanging out blue ribbons to the 2023 CU program, but I think it seems fairly obvious that year one could be labeled a success. I won't argue your conclusion. But Sanders has lost several coaches in last month. How he is able to replace them may determine if Buffs can take another step forward in '24. But coach, that happens to many programs each and every year. I have noticed the last few weeks that many things that happen EVERYWHERE are only "things" when they happen at CU. "OH MY GOODNESS.. DEION HAD A PLAYER FLIP!!!!".
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 27, 2023 15:48:41 GMT -6
So- Year one Sanders was a success at CU correct? Obviously the off the field aspects such as revenue, attention, ticket sales, and interest were clearly better than could be hoped for. But on the field they went from historically bad football 1-11 team with almost a - 30 pt per game scoring differential to a 4-8 team with a scoring differential of just -6.5. A more significant improvement than Matt Rhule had at Nebraska (and beat NEB head to head) While still going 1-8 and placing last in conference, there were only two games with large differentials and one with large differential (compared to last season where only one loss was under 23 points). Nobody should be hanging out blue ribbons to the 2023 CU program, but I think it seems fairly obvious that year one could be labeled a success. And yet prime prep I don't think those things are remotely similar coach.
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Post by blb on Dec 27, 2023 16:22:28 GMT -6
I won't argue your conclusion. But Sanders has lost several coaches in last month. How he is able to replace them may determine if Buffs can take another step forward in '24. But coach, that happens to many programs each and every year. I have noticed the last few weeks that many things that happen EVERYWHERE are only "things" when they happen at CU. "OH MY GOODNESS.. DEION HAD A PLAYER FLIP!!!!". For a first-year program that according to you was a success, he has had an unusual amount of staff turnover.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 27, 2023 18:45:08 GMT -6
But coach, that happens to many programs each and every year. I have noticed the last few weeks that many things that happen EVERYWHERE are only "things" when they happen at CU. "OH MY GOODNESS.. DEION HAD A PLAYER FLIP!!!!". For a first-year program that according to you was a success, he has had an unusual amount of staff turnover. South Alabama- 17 wins over the past 2 seasons- currently has parted ways with 4 coaches. Florida has already parted ways with 2 defensive coaches and a S&C coach. In 2022, there were sixty (60) offensive coordinator changes and 46 defensive coordinator changes. Those are just off the front page of footballscoop. Again, it just seems to me that events and happenings gaining attention at CU happen everywhere with much less fanfare. And I could absolutely see older, more established or seasoned coaches not wanting to be around the Deion Sanders show. It is probably quite different than what they have done the past several decades. Lastly, it is entirely possible that CU and Deion will implode or at least not achieve success at the level that he and others want. But isn't that the case at say...Penn State right now? Florida Right now? Tex A&M last year? Michigan State last year etc?
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