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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2024 12:25:50 GMT -6
as far as the "superstar" coach thing goes, there are many successful former player turned coaches.
I don't think its too far of a stretch to takes studs at QB that became OCs that were fast tracked to be Headers, where their blind spots get overshadowed by their success.
Look at Steve Spurrier, for example. He was a stud athlete / QB that sold out everything to win in the air. He had a grating personality to many 'traditionalists'. So long as those teams put up points and won, no one would mind. Did he completely dismiss Oline, run game, defense and special teams? I believe he did come around to recognizing their vital role. Regarding the Spurrier example, there is one exception here, did Spurrier (or any other coach) endlessly cry in the media that he's being persecuted, that 'the haterz' are out to get him and intentionally create an endless oppositional relationship with anyone not trumpeting his glory? I think thats a personality trait that grinds many adult's sensibilities (even beyond the context of coaching gig)
With the coach from Colorado, you're dealing with a man that for all his life has, for better or worse, been the golden child and been in situations where he could dictate what happened on the field. Never mind that your role was marginal and where you had success featured already established O/D front 7. If everything you did turned to gold (in your mind), what would stop you from believing you shouldn't be the one? If you believe in your child athlete, and its in your head that there isn't a coach out there that can utilize him better than I can (because all my life people have agreed with me and what i did on the field proved myself right).... why shouldn't I be his daddy ball coach at lower levels?.....uh, why shouldn't I be that daddy ball coach at high school....so on and so forth. You can't blame a guy with that history to not take the action he's taken. HOW he goes about that / decisions he makes would certainly cause many to question just how worthy this guy is to hold those titles in the midst of an industry full of guys with every weakness scrutinized to galvanize a well rounded ball coach.
What the coach at CU promotes is by and large the antithesis of what coaches see as football. Team building, regimented scheme, next-man-up depth, play for the legacy in the game (the league isn't the be-all-end-all), thats what most coaches believe. That isn't what CU football program is about, right or wrong. THAT would be defining whats at odds (oh, it isn't this one individual that bothers me most, its...)
The football we remember is played at lower levels. Its played at Army and Navy. Places who will NOT be utilizing the portal or NIL. When you do that, you end up with those 'dues paid' TEAMS who have skin in the game on each series.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 12:40:42 GMT -6
It's long in the past now but when he arrived at Colorado and told the entire roster that they need to pack up and go elsewhere he really lost me. Most of the guys hopping in the portal don't ever catch on with any team. Those guys certainly didn't have teams beating down the doors to take them. I'm guessing many of those guys never played again. A coach who came in and told the guys he loved them, wanted to coach them up, and made them into a winner would engender a lot more praise and admiration from his peers in the coaching community. This is a bit pollyanna though isn't it? This isn't like taking over a high school team, getting them into the weightroom that they never used before, quickly seeing results. He took over a HISTORICALLY bad roster. That isn't hyperbole. The unit before his arrival had one of the worst point differentials in the 150+ year old history of college football. This wasn't a situation where the previous staff was teaching bad technique- like having the DEs spill in straight man coverage, or just practicing 1 on 1 board drills with the OL and then teaching a zone scheme. This was a professional staff, teaching in a professional manner. They were just bad football players playing bad football (this would seem to be true if they didn't find any other squads to play for right?) Saban is revered-- he was the master of the grey shirt. Wouldn't that be worse than what Sanders did? At least Sanders was upfront "I am setting the bar 'HERE'. I don't think many of you will be able to meet that standard. I suggest you look for somewhere else to play". But the manner in which he conveyed the message could definitely rub people the wrong way. And I don't think there is anything wrong with people not liking him, and even actively rooting for him to fail. I find all of that completely understandable and acceptable. I just didn't/don't understand the reasons why people proposed he WAS going to fail, or moving the goalposts after this season saying "well, lets see if he has a top 5 program for a decade straight" when that wouldn't happen with any other coach. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 12:44:36 GMT -6
as far as the "superstar" coach thing goes, there are many successful former player turned coaches. I don't think its too far of a stretch to takes studs at QB that became OCs that were fast tracked to be Headers, where their blind spots get overshadowed by their success. Look at Steve Spurrier, for example. He was a stud athlete / QB that sold out everything to win in the air. He had a grating personality to many 'traditionalists'. So long as those teams put up points and won, no one would mind. Did he completely dismiss Oline, run game, defense and special teams? I believe he did come around to recognizing their vital role. Regarding the Spurrier example, there is one exception here, did Spurrier (or any other coach) endlessly cry in the media that he's being persecuted, that 'the haterz' are out to get him and intentionally create an endless oppositional relationship with anyone not trumpeting his glory? I think thats a personality trait that grinds many adult's sensibilities (even beyond the context of coaching gig) With the coach from Colorado, you're dealing with a man that for all his life has, for better or worse, been the golden child and been in situations where he could dictate what happened on the field. Never mind that your role was marginal and where you had success featured already established O/D front 7. If everything you did turned to gold (in your mind), what would stop you from believing you shouldn't be the one? If you believe in your child athlete, and its in your head that there isn't a coach out there that can utilize him better than I can (because all my life people have agreed with me and what i did on the field proved myself right).... why shouldn't I be his daddy ball coach at lower levels?.....uh, why shouldn't I be that daddy ball coach at high school....so on and so forth. You can't blame a guy with that history to not take the action he's taken. HOW he goes about that / decisions he makes would certainly cause many to question just how worthy this guy is to hold those titles in the midst of an industry full of guys with every weakness scrutinized to galvanize a well rounded ball coach. What the coach at CU promotes is by and large the antithesis of what coaches see as football. Team building, regimented scheme, next-man-up depth, play for the legacy in the game (the league isn't the be-all-end-all), thats what most coaches believe. That isn't what CU football program is about, right or wrong. THAT would be defining whats at odds (oh, it isn't this one individual that bothers me most, its...) The football we remember is played at lower levels. Its played at Army and Navy. Places who will NOT be utilizing the portal or NIL. When you do that, you end up with those 'dues paid' TEAMS who have skin in the game on each series. What's the deal brophy? ARe you in a political campaign against him, and that is why you refuse to use his name? |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 25, 2024 12:56:58 GMT -6
What weight class are you in?
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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2024 12:57:49 GMT -6
I just didn't/don't understand the reasons why people proposed he WAS going to fail i'll bite. There are several facets at play here, likely thanks to his magnanimous personality (it can be distracting in these discussions). Are there reasons? yes Are there reasons that you must agree with? no For me, there were three glaring issues of a program that go against me believing in this movement 1. leadership: The header is about being oppositional and cementing an sycophantic echo chamber where they are beyond accountability. Its a showcase of gaudy selfishness. 2. nepotism: This is the reality show staring the coach and his son. There is zero mechanisms in this setup for accountability and subverts any team-inspired leadership that would compete with the child. The child-player is mediocre and has been given way too much autonomy (while putting everyone else on the hook for responsibility). 3. toughness/motivation: There is tons of CU-promoted film of BTS practice and coaches meetings. The non-stop lack of focus and unprofessional 'partying' atmosphere rubs me the wrong way in setting expectations incredibly low in how to conduct oneself. I'm not asserting these are gospels, but it is how I see their situation and how it sets itself apart from any other program. I believe the CU coach believes in what he wants. I don't get any sense he knows/appreciates the details of what is required to get there. The OC situation is the most bizarre thing I've seen in my years following football (just ask around about what goes on there). The defense? lol...can't stop the run at all unless they're sending 7. Playing C0 or C1 every down takes a real genius. ARe you in a political campaign against him, and that is why you refuse to use his name? simma down - maybe i'm trying to articulate a very dry and impartial perspective without invoking the inflammatory personhood ("DEION!" "PRIME" "COACH PRIME", et al) that everyone reacts to. tl;dr : make this discussion more about what is going on and not WHO is doing it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 13:12:31 GMT -6
I just didn't/don't understand the reasons why people proposed he WAS going to fail i'll bite. There are several facets at play here, likely thanks to his magnanimous personality (it can be distracting in these discussions). Are there reasons? yes Are there reasons that you must agree with? no For me, there were three glaring issues of a program that go against me believing in this movement 1. leadership: The header is about being oppositional and cementing an sycophantic echo chamber where they are beyond accountability. Its a showcase of gaudy selfishness. 2. nepotism: This is the reality show staring the coach and his son. There is zero mechanisms in this setup for accountability and subverts any team-inspired leadership that would compete with the child. The child-player is mediocre and has been given way too much autonomy (while putting everyone else on the hook for responsibility). 3. toughness/motivation: There is tons of CU-promoted film of BTS practice and coaches meetings. The non-stop lack of focus and unprofessional 'partying' atmosphere rubs me the wrong way in setting expectations incredibly low in how to conduct oneself. I'm not asserting these are gospels, but it is how I see their situation and how it sets itself apart from any other program. I believe the CU coach believes in what he wants. I don't get any sense he knows/appreciates the details of what is required to get there. The OC situation is the most bizarre thing I've seen in my years following football (just ask around about what goes on there). The defense? lol...can't stop the run at all unless they're sending 7. Playing C0 or C1 every down takes a real genius. ARe you in a political campaign against him, and that is why you refuse to use his name? simma down - maybe i'm trying to articulate a very dry and impartial perspective without invoking the inflammatory personhood ("DEION!" "PRIME" "COACH PRIME", et al) that everyone reacts to. tl;dr : make this discussion more about what is going on and not WHO is doing it. But those weren't the reasons I was referring to, so none of that really fits as a response to my post. The reasons, and I have given them a few times, that I was confounded by were people saying that he wouldn't have success because he was really athletic and played cornerback. Literally, those were the reasons. Coaches on this board stating that because he was tremendously gifted, and played man corner, that he "didn't know the game". |
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Post by blb on Nov 25, 2024 13:13:20 GMT -6
Sanders has said many times he doesn't want to coach in NFL because he believes his "calling" is to mentor young men through coaching College Football.
Until proven otherwise, I'll take him at his word.
People may not like his methods or personality but from everything I have read-heard from those who know him he is authentic.
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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2024 13:22:29 GMT -6
not getting into this (yet), but the offense..... call me a glutton, but I have watched their full games since 2023. I would love for anyone to discuss their offense without any caveats of "oh our line is bad, oh, our receivers are young, oh, our boo hoo". The first 3 games of 2023 showed promise. They worked the field, found open grass, and ran the ball. When they got to CSU, they were exposed. From a football coach perspective, I am floored at what looks to be an absence of any game plan after the first series in games. Its a disturbing trend to me, to see offenses call themselves "air raid" but have no foundational in air raid. If you're air raid and not running the ball, your receivers are killers on technique. They BLOCK and attack defenses for open grass. This CU offense is some middle school or 'madden player' stuff. You've finished 2 full seasons, the time for "wait until we find our identity/rhythm" has long passed. The offense is moored to daddys kid. Daddy's kid WILL NOT make (specific) decisions or (certain) throws. The offense has to operate within this very tiny menu because certain things are off-limits. The only setup they perform on offense is the flash screen paired with verts. Other than that, they'll work an occasional snag or shallow and they will not throw in the middle of the field unless the deep safety vacates / fails to protect the post. There is nothing personal articulated here. I watched the games and this offense is a one-trick pony. I'm open to being educated, though |
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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2024 13:28:54 GMT -6
I was confounded by were people saying that he wouldn't have success because he was really athletic and played cornerback. Literally, those were the reasons. Coaches on this board stating that because he was tremendously gifted, and played man corner, that he "didn't know the game". you cant see those reasons? I'm not questioning Deion Sanders preparation as an athletic competitor. There is a big difference in being a perimeter player and understanding what happens between the tackles. No doubt his experience lead him to break down situational matchups easier. What tells you that Sanders had developed a keen understanding of all facets of the game, team management, digesting the entire playbook and its responsive adjustments? Look at Mike Singletary. The guy was on a coaching escalator in coaching linebackers because he was one of the best ever. He became a HC and realized there was a ton of stuff he had not considered, so he took a year off, retooled and dedicated himself to learning offenses from other retired coaches.... thats the kind of humility, grinding and dedication you expect out of a head coach to cover all risks. Thats what the position is....risk mitigator to ensure the best execution/performance in a given matchup |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 13:40:14 GMT -6
I was confounded by were people saying that he wouldn't have success because he was really athletic and played cornerback. Literally, those were the reasons. Coaches on this board stating that because he was tremendously gifted, and played man corner, that he "didn't know the game". you cant see those reasons? I'm not questioning Deion Sanders preparation as an athletic competitor. There is a big difference in being a perimeter player and understanding what happens between the tackles. No doubt his experience lead him to break down situational matchups easier. What tells you that Sanders had developed a keen understanding of all facets of the game, team management, digesting the entire playbook and its responsive adjustments? Look at Mike Singletary. The guy was on a coaching escalator in coaching linebackers because he was one of the best ever. He became a HC and realized there was a ton of stuff he had not considered, so he took a year off, retooled and dedicated himself to learning offenses from other retired coaches.... thats the kind of humility, grinding and dedication you expect out of a head coach to cover all risks. Thats what the position is....risk mitigator to ensure the best execution/performance in a given matchup No, I can't see those reasons- AS THEY WERE BASED ON SANDER'S 30+ YEARS AGO. Not that he had actually spent time involved with football, and coaching football during that time. Keep in mind, Sander's teams have beaten 8 teams this year. What is the story with those other's teams coaches if Sander's doesnt have an adequate understanding of all facets of the game, management, etc, and as you have pointed out, apparently seem to lack a cohesive offense. The talent level at CU is not THAT overwhelming such that it can simply overcome such an inadequate boob as a leader can it? Again, I have no problem with guys saying he is a jerk, and hopes CU loses. No problem with people pointing out that he is arrogant, and not agreeing with his style. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 25, 2024 14:06:55 GMT -6
Name other loud successful black coaches.... If you like Kirby and not Deion then?  Larry Moe's on record as disliking loudmouth coaches of all races and creeds (see PJ Fleck) Row the boat |
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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2024 14:23:48 GMT -6
What is the story with those other's teams coaches if Sander's doesnt have an adequate understanding of all facets of the game, management, etc, and as you have pointed out, apparently seem to lack a cohesive offense. The talent level at CU is not THAT overwhelming such that it can simply overcome such an inadequate boob as a leader can it? this is a great question to be addressed by both sides of the coin. To answer requires a bit of honest feedback on those game performances. I almost hate to answer in fear of starting a ceaseless argument. One simply cannot discount the W/L record. Period. thats really all that matters. I had predicted they would've gone 0-4, leading to an implosion and ouster of the coach. My views are meaningless after that admission. If we're to go off of the results on the field, should folks not have been concerned about the 2023 performances? If this team is the truth, which contests this season were where you knew exactly what CU would do/execute? They got handled like they didnt' belong on the field with NU and KU (I would argue KSU). Against lesser opponents (NDSU, UCF, CSU, Baylor) their opponents couldn't get out of their own way. Against all opponents, CU did what they always do in each game offensively and defensively....which is hang around and 'get lucky' (IMO) with an explosive play caused by error. I've never got the sense that against equal competition this program had enough of an identity that they could methodically cut up an opponent from their scheme. I always got the sense its just lobbing the ball to the fastest kid on the field and hoping he makes everything else happen |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 15:12:51 GMT -6
What is the story with those other's teams coaches if Sander's doesnt have an adequate understanding of all facets of the game, management, etc, and as you have pointed out, apparently seem to lack a cohesive offense. The talent level at CU is not THAT overwhelming such that it can simply overcome such an inadequate boob as a leader can it? this is a great question to be addressed by both sides of the coin. To answer requires a bit of honest feedback on those game performances. I almost hate to answer in fear of starting a ceaseless argument. One simply cannot discount the W/L record. Period. thats really all that matters. I had predicted they would've gone 0-4, leading to an implosion and ouster of the coach. My views are meaningless after that admission. That is kind of my point. I do appreciate you not doing what others have done, and move the goalpost in hopes to somehow leave an avenue to be proven correct. You thought they were going to suck. The clearly haven't. It is admirable that you aren't one who is saying "Oh, but lets see how they do for 10 years". Are you describing CU here, or Alabama vs OU? Or LSU vs Bama or A&M? Or Mizzou vs Bama? Or Tenn vs UGA? Lesser opponents? As based on? Because remember a big part of the issue was the offseason turnover (which led you to anticipate an 0-4 start and parting of the ways). But now somehow those teams are "lesser"? I am not trying to argue pro Sanders or anti sanders- or say that I would do things the way he is, or that he embodies traits I admire. None of those things are true. What is true, is that at the end of the day, CU has won a lot more football games than people thought. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 25, 2024 15:22:17 GMT -6
Deion is about to win more games in one season than the last guy did in 3 combined. They've had one winning season since 2005, it was in 2016. He's doing a good job
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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2024 15:24:08 GMT -6
Lesser opponents? As based on? based on NDSU, CSU, maaaaybe Baylor are in sub leagues and not part of P5 echelon. NU vs CU was probably the most comparable program between the two Because remember a big part of the issue was the offseason turnover (which led you to anticipate an 0-4 start and parting of the ways). But now somehow those teams are "lesser"? personally, i never factored in the turnover. I don't see how it helps to turn your roster over 3x a season, but....my issue has always been 1) pedestrian quarterback play with zero accountability 2) lack of run game 3) lackluster talent on defense 4) lack of cohesive scheme on O/D/K. I watched their spring game and was galvanized in my position. I also watched the NU spring game and came away believing they had an answer at QB. I didn't see them winning over 4 games in the season. Obviously, I'm wrong and they are WINNING. That said, i don't come away with the believing they are a legit program because I haven't seen them put together a legit series where they dominated opponents throughout a game outside of stealing bases off of run errors. |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 25, 2024 15:28:04 GMT -6
What weight class are you in? Me? I could still make 285. I cut to 275 for a powerlifting meet 3 years ago. At 30 I took 2nd in a tournament of college wrestlers. |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 25, 2024 15:32:22 GMT -6
Larry Moe's on record as disliking loudmouth coaches of all races and creeds (see PJ Fleck) Row the boat I can't. He still has me blocked on Twitter. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 25, 2024 17:10:59 GMT -6
I can't. He still has me blocked on Twitter. hahahahaha |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 25, 2024 17:26:43 GMT -6
I can't. He still has me blocked on Twitter. hahahahaha I find it to be the most random, hilarious fact about me. It is a complete and utter mystery to me how it happened. I've never typed his name into a tweet. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 25, 2024 20:53:33 GMT -6
My opinion about Sanders:
Some guys dislike him because he's brash. Some may dislike him because he's brash and Black. Probably true but I wouldn't accuse anybody.
I think a lot of coaches resent him because he "Jumped the line".
He didn't coach HS ball for years with a stellar record. He didn't live on ramen while working 25 hour days as a GA. He got an FCS job after a sub- .500 record as a HS coach.
Now, he embodies what a lot of guys hate about the modern realities about college football. Before NIL and the portal you couldn't make wholesale cuts because, with only 25 new schollies, you wouldn't have a team. I'll admit, if he cut one of mine he wouldn't be welcome back into my HS. Just another example of "cutting the line". Just the nature of the business now but I don't have to like it.
So, I guess I'll wait and see what happens after his kids leave.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 21:04:04 GMT -6
My opinion about Sanders: Some guys dislike him because he's brash. Some may dislike him because he's brash and Black. Probably true but I wouldn't accuse anybody. I think a lot of coaches resent him because he "Jumped the line". He didn't coach HS ball for years with a stellar record. He didn't live on ramen while working 25 hour days as a GA. He got an FCS job after a sub- .500 record as a HS coach. Now, he embodies what a lot of guys hate about the modern realities about college football. Before NIL and the portal you couldn't make wholesale cuts because, with only 25 new schollies, you wouldn't have a team. I'll admit, if he cut one of mine he wouldn't be welcome back into my HS. Just another example of "cutting the line". Just the nature of the business now but I don't have to like it. So, I guess I'll wait and see what happens after his kids leave. Did he cut? Or did he just tell the guys "Hey, you aren't going to play. You aren't good enough". Saban once cut ties with a player from a North Louisiana HS. The coach there also instituted a "you aren't welcome here anymore" The district found fit to cut ties with that coach. I do agree that there is some dislike/ jealousy because of the path Sander's career has taken. Also, curious as to how that compares to other guys like Dilfer, or Eddie George. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 25, 2024 21:24:23 GMT -6
My opinion about Sanders: Some guys dislike him because he's brash. Some may dislike him because he's brash and Black. Probably true but I wouldn't accuse anybody. I think a lot of coaches resent him because he "Jumped the line". He didn't coach HS ball for years with a stellar record. He didn't live on ramen while working 25 hour days as a GA. He got an FCS job after a sub- .500 record as a HS coach. Now, he embodies what a lot of guys hate about the modern realities about college football. Before NIL and the portal you couldn't make wholesale cuts because, with only 25 new schollies, you wouldn't have a team. I'll admit, if he cut one of mine he wouldn't be welcome back into my HS. Just another example of "cutting the line". Just the nature of the business now but I don't have to like it. So, I guess I'll wait and see what happens after his kids leave. Did he cut? Or did he just tell the guys "Hey, you aren't going to play. You aren't good enough". Saban once cut ties with a player from a North Louisiana HS. The coach there also instituted a "you aren't welcome here anymore" The district found fit to cut ties with that coach. I do agree that there is some dislike/ jealousy because of the path Sander's career has taken. Also, curious as to how that compares to other guys like Dilfer, or Eddie George. Pretty sure Dilfer and George are suspect. As for the HS coach who got fired, was he winning? What were the circumstances? I'm not sure about the players who were cut. I'm under the impression that he pulled the schollies. If I'm wrong I'm fine if somebody corrects me. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 21:30:46 GMT -6
Did he cut? Or did he just tell the guys "Hey, you aren't going to play. You aren't good enough". Saban once cut ties with a player from a North Louisiana HS. The coach there also instituted a "you aren't welcome here anymore" The district found fit to cut ties with that coach. I do agree that there is some dislike/ jealousy because of the path Sander's career has taken. Also, curious as to how that compares to other guys like Dilfer, or Eddie George. Pretty sure Dilfer and George are suspect. As for the HS coach who got fired, was he winning? What were the circumstances? I'm not sure about the players who were cut. I'm under the impression that he pulled the schollies. If I'm wrong I'm fine if somebody corrects me. Guy was 59-17. The AD was quoted as saying "Coach and I have a different vision of the football program" a few days after the coach publicly said that Saban wasn't welcome on campus. EDIT- for clarity, I just remembered it wasn't a "cut player" but rather a player he pulled the scholly offer 2 days before signing day. So basically the same thing, just a preemptive strike. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 25, 2024 21:42:42 GMT -6
Pretty sure Dilfer and George are suspect. As for the HS coach who got fired, was he winning? What were the circumstances? I'm not sure about the players who were cut. I'm under the impression that he pulled the schollies. If I'm wrong I'm fine if somebody corrects me. Guy was 59-17. The AD was quoted as saying "Coach and I have a different vision of the football program" a few days after the coach publicly said that Saban wasn't welcome on campus. EDIT- for clarity, I just remembered it wasn't a "cut player" but rather a player he pulled the scholly offer 2 days before signing day. So basically the same thing, just a preemptive strike. That's a little bit of a difference. How'd it end up for the guy who got fired? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2024 22:01:50 GMT -6
Guy was 59-17. The AD was quoted as saying "Coach and I have a different vision of the football program" a few days after the coach publicly said that Saban wasn't welcome on campus. EDIT- for clarity, I just remembered it wasn't a "cut player" but rather a player he pulled the scholly offer 2 days before signing day. So basically the same thing, just a preemptive strike. That's a little bit of a difference. How'd it end up for the guy who got fired? Is it really that different. Heck, I might argue it is worse to have your offer pulled a few days before signing than to be told in Spring "hey, I dont think you are going to be good enough, why not look elsewhere"? Regardless, kind of getting off topic from that of superstar coaches. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 25, 2024 22:23:03 GMT -6
You know what? I'm not even sure if there's anybody to root for.
I hate that both players and coaches both back off of commitments. I hate the perversion of the general idea of NIL but I think it's crazy that college coaches get paid millions of dollars a year. In general, I hate what the money has done to the game, with TV networks setting schedules.
Just touching the surface of what bothers me but I have to admit that, hypocrite that I am, I'll still watch on TV.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 26, 2024 8:00:46 GMT -6
Skip the line? Dude was in the NFL and a HOFer. Like saying Mark Zuckerburg couldn't teach coding in college.......
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2024 8:15:33 GMT -6
Skip the line? Dude was in the NFL and a HOFer. Like saying Mark Zuckerburg couldn't teach coding in college....... I have agreed with some of the other things you have brought up, particularly the obvious biases that people want to ignore. However, being an NFL player, even a Hall of Fame NFL player, isn't really relevant with regards to becoming a division 1 HC (Jackson State), much less becoming a Power 4 division one HC (Colorado). He definitely "skipped the line". I think Brophy has mentioned, or at least alluded to, the fact that Sanders, (and Dilfer, Eddie George--etc. the "superstar" coaches) present a disruption to the traditional thinking and process involved in becoming a head football coach. The issue here is that nobody really knows Sanders, Dilfer, George, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed etc in a manner to evaluate how the time they spent during and after their playing days impacted them and prepared them for their roles. With respect to your analogy, I don't think it fits. A more appropriate and fitting one would be suggesting that the greatest coder/software engineer in the company might not be be able to seamlessly go from Coder, to running his department for a few years, to CEO of Apple. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 26, 2024 8:29:58 GMT -6
But a lot of people voted for a dude that never worked in government........
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Post by brophy on Nov 26, 2024 9:52:30 GMT -6
But a lot of people voted for a dude that never worked in government........ IMO this is a more relevant analogy than you think. If you take a man that for all his life has been in the position of leadership where their decisions / actions had big consequences... they would come away with the self-assured belief that they are competent and can accomplish anything in that arena. So if its Trump or Sanders, they have been insulated with exceptional outcomes filling their head full of confidence. Does an Alexander or Napoleon really consider himself a 'regular joe'? In that respect, I totally understand why Deion Sanders would believe he's more competent/deserving to lead a P5 program. Those 'imposter thoughts' that might cause any one of us to reconsider jumping in head first, don't exist for those entities. Can I fault Mr. Sanders for taking an opportunity if someone is extending it to him? I certainly cannot. Where there are critiques of this bull headed approach (for lack of a better phrasing) is the inefficiency behind it. There are several CEO/CIOs that do the same thing of willing action/success to happen by throwing money at the challenge. This can get you a temporary/immediate impact, but it doesn't set the foundation for what does make you successful (people, process, accountability). If you have a coach that you know has been through these crucibles in the profession and can lay the ground work for sustained success (program building), then that would certainly give anyone a higher degree of confidence. I would argue your darlings like the coach for the Miami Dolphins fits this same "Deion" mold. He didn't pay any legitimate dues comparable to his peers. For the discussion of "Deion Sanders", this 'jump the line' approach represents just ONE of the many issues that are rolled up into his package. |
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